Ohio State athletic budget
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It would be like letting the Yankees have no salary cap and buy the best players...
oh wait... sorry.
oh wait... sorry.
So you might break even if you make the final 4, assuming you get lots of ticket sales and other conference distribution payouts
I had a conversation with my co-worker buddy/football player parent yesterday. His kid just transferred to ND for his last year.
He doesn't understand the house settlement and as I explained some aspects. He said we ain't signing nothing that has a salary cap.
Anyways I explained these nil deals and the transfer portal creates an advantage for the rich to get richer. To which he didn't agree obviously and agrees with the epl futbol system of relegation in college football.
so you have people who believe there should not be any cap on buying players. But somehow believe you can promote a sunbelt team up to the p4: and they will somehow find a way to be competitive. Hahahaha.
It's a rigged system for the rich bluebloods for sure.
He doesn't understand the house settlement and as I explained some aspects. He said we ain't signing nothing that has a salary cap.
Anyways I explained these nil deals and the transfer portal creates an advantage for the rich to get richer. To which he didn't agree obviously and agrees with the epl futbol system of relegation in college football.
so you have people who believe there should not be any cap on buying players. But somehow believe you can promote a sunbelt team up to the p4: and they will somehow find a way to be competitive. Hahahaha.
It's a rigged system for the rich bluebloods for sure.
It happens in Europe; Manchester City is the perfect example. They were nothing, a mid-table club at best that had been in the second division very recently, when Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan bought them. All it takes is LOTS of money.
College football and European soccer are a lot alike, excluding promotion/relegation. (and really, promotion/relegation is kind of a myth - it's just the same dozen teams bouncing back and forth between the top half of the 2nd division and the bottom half of the top division). The rich get richer. I'll go with Oregon as Manchester City. They were historically mediocre to awful until Phil Knight decided they were going to compete with the best. Mississippi State is Wolverhampton.
Another reason for us to focus on basketball and baseball.
Hire a football niche coach who can maybe make the playoff every 5-7 years. We ain't ever winning it, barring some huge population influx and getting some more billionaires in the MSU fanbase.
Hire a football niche coach who can maybe make the playoff every 5-7 years. We ain't ever winning it, barring some huge population influx and getting some more billionaires in the MSU fanbase.
It's not just the same dozen. Since I started following the EPL in the mid 90s nineteen of the twenty-four current Championship members have been in the EPL. Also, eight of the current League One and two of the current League Two have been there. Fourteen of the current EPL have been in the lower divisions during that time. Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton, Liverpool, Manchester United, and Tottenham are the only ones that haven't. Relegation and promotion is no myth.
This isn't anywhere near close to being realistic even if we put every dollar we have into football. We've had maybe 2 teams since 1940 that might have made the playoffs (2014 and 1999). If you want to focus on basketball and baseball, the best you can hope for in football is 6-6 once every 4-5 years.
Niche coaches are niche coaches for a reason.
It's mostly the same ones. And yes the names have changed some over the years. The main point was the ceiling for promoted teams is about mid-table (10th) in the Premier League.
it would be insanity for us to try to compete with the teams dropping $20M+ in paying players. Insanity.
What's your suggestion? Put every dime into football and compete at nothing? Basically do what blue blood schools do, but without blue blood money?
ETA: No real strategy will work at MSU anyway, it seems to me. We can't even keep a logo, much less have the fanbase commit to a strategy for specific success. As soon as adversity hits, most will bail and start wanting to do things a different way. And often they'll just get back to the old school things that never really worked for us anyway, but they gave a good season now and again when we got lucky and hit an upcycle for talent. Like RuNdAbAwL
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Manchester City has spent multiple years in the lower divisions since I've been a fan. Nottingham Forest are currently third, they were promoted to the EPL in 2022. Leicester City was promoted to the EPL in 2014. They won it in 2016. They were relegated in 2023, promoted in 2024, and are probably going to be relegated again this year.
Leach took over a worse situation than Mullen, and won 18 regular season games to Mullen's 19. Overall 20 vs. 22. And if 2020 had been a regular schedule with 4 OOC games, you can add 2-3 more wins to Leach's record.
But I'm not allowing you to make it out like I'm saying Mullen wasn't good. Matter of fact, the offense he ran at MSU was kinda niche-y itself with the way he ran it. But both had very good fundamental teams and developed for sure. Very similar coaches due to quirkiness, Leach just was more specific in his offense and was more hands on with it, although Mullen would try to be at times, too. And they both could be hard-headed.
Argue with that now, genius.
Relegation.... let's say Memphis. If Memphis was pushed up to the sec and Vandy or msu out. Could Memphis compete in the sec and make the playoff? No and they have FedEx money.
could USM if they were pushed up to the sec? Hell no. Their biggest nil deal is now around $150k.
could USM if they were pushed up to the sec? Hell no. Their biggest nil deal is now around $150k.
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Leach took over a worse situation? Good grief. And you wonder why nobody takes anything you say seriously. The 8 years prior to Mullen: one winning regular season and one bowl. The 8 years prior Leach: eight winning regular seasons and eight bowls. Leach took over a program that was going through one of the best stretches it has EVER had. Mullen took over a program that was in perhaps its worst stretch in the modern era. Mullen left it in good shape. Leach left a disaster. YOU argue with that.
Yep, enjoy both sports and can't help but notice the parallels. If we could figure out how to get some sort of transfer fee equivalent out of losing players to the portal it would give us a niche to survive in like Brighton and Southampton in the Klopp era.
....or we could become sponsored by Saudi public investment, slap SA company ads all over the stadium and change our away unis to white and green with maroon trim like Newcastle and buy a 6 seed
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you have some kind of weird ax to grind with Leach because he was friends with Trump prior to Trump entering politics.
actually Leach had to clean up jomo’s mess with bad culture and enter the nil/portal era while dealing with COVID and no spring practice and an all sec schedule.
you have some kind of weird ax to grind with Leach because he was friends with Trump prior to Trump entering politics.
Yes. Croom actually recruited decently and left a base of solid players. Sloppy Joe left nothing for Leach. Basically came in and started freshmen in 2020.
All these boosters are finding out......you can pay a bunch of 18-22 year olds all the money in the world, and they are still going to act like 18-22 year olds. It's not possible for them to be 'up' every game, and if another, lesser team wants it more, that's going to result in some unexpected losses sometimes.
I'll be honest... I'm not sure that this isn't where we are even while we're trying to focus on football. I've seen nothing from the last two years to make me believe that we can do better than 6-7 wins in this era, and I expect us to find out this Fall that we're still a LONG way from 6
The numbers speak for themselves. As for the political thing.............you are nuts. I could care less if less. Also, I'm a lifelong Conservative. The only Democrat I have ever voted for national office was John C. Stennis. I'm on record here as to why I didn't like Leach. I don't like three yards and a cloud of dust one dimensional offenses in the 21st Century. I don't care if its passing or running. It was like watching paint dry. I said I couldn't stand watching it the very first time I ever saw it, when Leach and Mumme were at Kentucky.
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It pains me to say this, but I'm moving closer and closer towards this. I grew up liking baseball and basketball, but I absolutely adored college football and planned my entire weekend around it during the Fall. Until there are some MAJOR changes to the current structure, I just don't see us being remotely competitive, and it continues to feel like we're pumping the money that we do have straight down the drain.
I may not be there quite yet, but I'm not far from saying that if we can't compete in football, let's be one of the best damn programs in the country in other sports.
speaking of nuts I’ve read enough of your “it’s 1938 again and Finland is key to win world war three” to not take nothing you post seriously.
Yep, we are spending every last cent it appears on football nil and will likely go 0-8 again , it would take just a small % of that to push basketball or baseball over the top. If Jans had two more key players, especially a strong scoring guard with size , we would be there.
Sure, but under vastly different circumstances. And for the "teams have been paying players since the 1960s crowd", yeah... but not like this and not with this damn near absence of rules to include the portal
LOL., all I need to know about you. Why did you bring politics into this? Does EVERYTHING have to be political to you?
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