Ohio State Paid….

[Whart]

$1.9 million….plus….a signing bonus of $139k for new Defensive Coordinator Jim Knowles. Anyone that actually thinks that PSU was a real player for his services is kidding themselves. His salary at OKST was $800k. His best offer from them to stay… was an increase to $1.3 million . After a few years he will increase to approx $2.3 million At Ohio State. Not bad money…lol.

 

[MaconNitt]

Cue Bob....this is what we are up against

 

[blion72]

$1.9 million….plus….a signing bonus of $139k for new Defensive Coordinator Jim Knowles. Anyone that actually thinks that PSU was a real player for his services is kidding themselves. His salary at OKST was $800k. His best offer from them to stay… was an increase to $1.3 million After a few years he will increase to approx $2.3 million At Ohio State. Not bad money…lol.

Why can OSU move this quickly? Based on what we are NOT seeing, we may have our DC open for a while. If you cannot recruit externally it usually is better to go with internal candidate at this level to keep stable and then go external for the lower level spot. Go with Poindexter as DC/safeties and get new LB coach external. Get a real LB coach. If Smith leaves recruit a real DB coach.

The very high turnover at Penn State remains a mystery after 2 years of 4-5 losing seasons in BIG

 

[Ram20]

Ohio state was always going to move quick and spend whatever it took to fix that defense. Whereas James would be saying something to the effect of "i think we have a pretty good track record of playing some good defense during my tenure at the school," OSU goes nuts, the coaches, the administrators, their fan. At OSU it is simply not acceptable to lose 2 games a year. It is not acceptable to have teams score a lot of points on you once in a while. They pay a lot for coaches and players to be honest, enormous pressure on every player and coach at that school. Tight ends dont produce at the standard? Coach fired....throw a $million at the best TE coach, fire his *** if he isn't the best. You guys want to know the difference between our programs? There it is. Day has lost one big ten game as HC there and its just unacceptable, all round. Imagine that? We are not like that, many fans and administrators don't want to count 2020 because the pandemic, even our coaches say "hey we would have won if Clifford wasn't hurt" in 2021. Say what you will, no excuses at OSU and Alabama.

 

[VaDave4PSU]

Say what you will, no excuses at OSU and Alabama.

Is that what you want us to be?

Here people thought we were starting to spend money and within 30 days it's proven to be less than what others are.

I'll laugh heartily when OSU loses 1-3 games next year. Because quite frankly, anything less than undefeated and winning the playoff is falling short for what they put in.

 

[Ram20]

Is that what you want us to be?

Here people thought we were starting to spend money and within 30 days it's proven to be less than what others are.

I'll laugh heartily when OSU loses 1-3 games next year. Because quite frankly, anything less than undefeated and winning the playoff is falling short for what they put in.

Thats exactly the expectation at OSU and no, I didnt say we should be anything else, but we are going to pay our coach 95million over the next 10 years, so I guess we should go all in. $2.5 million for a defensive coordinator? Not my money.

 

[VaDave4PSU]

Thats exactly the expectation at OSU and no, I didnt say we should be anything else, but we are going to pay our coach 95million over the next 10 years, so I guess we should go all in. $2.5 million for a defensive coordinator? Not my money.

If we paid $2.5 for Knowles, this board would be in flames. "Overpaid. Not proven in the BIG 10. Can he recruit?" Etc.

OSU does it and it's genius. Just how it is. When no less than 10 of their players are given brand new vehicles ("but he has to give it back!" the Ewers people respond), it doesn't quite matter what you pay your DC.

 

[Ram20]

If we paid $2.5 for Knowles, this board would be in flames. "Overpaid. Not proven in the BIG 10. Can he recruit?" Etc.

OSU does it and it's genius. Just how it is. When no less than 10 of their players are given brand new vehicles ("but he has to give it back!" the Ewers people respond), it doesn't quite matter what you pay your DC.

Okay, im not particularly interested in this rabbit hole. My point was simply that Good isn't good enough at OSU and its a difference between our programs.

 

[Superdave63]

As I always say “The rich get richer .........and the poor get children”

 

[VaDave4PSU]

Okay, im not particularly interested in this rabbit hole. My point was simply that Good isn't good enough at OSU and its a difference between our programs.

Agreed.

 

[PSUAlum]

$1.9 million….plus….a signing bonus of $139k for new Defensive Coordinator Jim Knowles. Anyone that actually thinks that PSU was a real player for his services is kidding themselves. His salary at OKST was $800k. His best offer from them to stay… was an increase to $1.3 million . After a few years he will increase to approx $2.3 million At Ohio State. Not bad money…lol.

Didn't Penn State give Shoop $2 million the year before he left? I heard Franklin basically had a blank check to get a DC. Yurcich will probably get a nice bump since Texas was still paying him.

 

[Whart]

Didn't Penn State give Shoop $2 million the year before he left? I heard Franklin basically had a blank check to get a DC. Yurcich will probably get a nice bump since Texas was still paying him.

Good question on Shoop….do not know what his deal was. Perhaps Chester on this Board knows?

 

[s1uggo72]

Didn't Penn State give Shoop $2 million the year before he left? I heard Franklin basically had a blank check to get a DC. Yurcich will probably get a nice bump since Texas was still paying him.

I think so. PSU sued him for $900k and

Penn State says in the suit that Shoop, who coached with the Lions for two seasons, has not complied with a buyout clause that was part of the contract extension he signed in 2015. According to the clause, Shoop would owe Penn State 50 percent of his remaining base salary if he did not become a head coach with another program within one year of leaving.

Though I did find this

1. 2015 salary: $1 million (at Penn State), according to Bruce Feldman of Fox Sports

 

[PSUFTG]

$1.9 million….plus….a signing bonus of $139k for new Defensive Coordinator Jim Knowles. Anyone that actually thinks that PSU was a real player for his services is kidding themselves. His salary at OKST was $800k. His best offer from them to stay… was an increase to $1.3 million . After a few years he will increase to approx $2.3 million At Ohio State. Not bad money…lol.

I have no idea if PSU pursued Knowles - or if I would want them to - but how much, do you suppose, PSU paid their last two Coordinator hires?
True or False: Penn State pays both their Head Coach and their Offensive Coordinator significantly more than Ohio State pays theirs? What do you think? Spoiler, it is True.
How much do you think they will be paying Manny Diaz in 2022? (As a teaser, Penn State was paying Pry nearly $1.5 million - three years ago)

For some reason, a lot of fans seem to think Penn State is paying 1980s salaries for their coaches - even though it is plain to see they pay at the top of the market. The very top. As in "top 10 in the nation" top
Perhaps it is easier to rationalize "not winning enough" by pretending the playing field is somehow not level: Cheating Refs, Bag Men, Not paying enough for coaches, Facilities, etc. are all easier to accept, I suppose, than recognizing that some of the other guys are just better, smarter, and work harder - and kicking Penn State's rear end.

 

[Whart]

I have no idea if PSU pursued Knowles - or if I would want them to - but how much, do you suppose, PSU paid their last two Coordinator hires?
True or False: Penn State pays both their Head Coach and their Offensive Coordinator significantly more than Ohio State pays theirs? What do you think? Spoiler, it is True.
How much do you think they will be paying Manny Diaz?

For some reason, a lot of fans seem to think Penn State is paying 1980s salaries for their coaches - even though it is plain to see they pay at the top of the market. The very top. As in "top 10 in the nation" top
Perhaps it is easier to rationalize "not winning enough" by pretending the playing field is somehow not level: Cheating Refs, Bag Men, Not paying enough for coaches, Facilities, etc. are all easier to accept, I suppose, than recognizing that some of the other guys are just better, smarter, and work harder - and kicking Penn State's rear end.

I don’t know how much they paid MY or Manny D . Being that both were being paid severance by past employers PSU most likely got at least their first year at nowhere near what Ohio State is paying Knowles. The real challenge for PSU will be when both those coaches have exhausted their severance funds and then they will require significant dollars to cement their services. Of course….I am assuming that both do a good job as coordinators to command such $$.

 

[PSUFTG]

I don’t know how much they paid MY or Manny D . Being that both were being paid severance by past employers PSU most likely got at least their first year at nowhere near what Ohio State is paying Knowles. The real challenge for PSU will be when both those coaches have exhausted their severance funds and then they will require significant dollars to cement their services. Of course….I am assuming that both do a good job as coordinators to command such $$.

A) Yurcich was approximately $1.5 million last year - from Penn State, of course
B) I don't know what Diaz' will be in 2022, but I would, with zero trepidation, wager you that it will be at least that much. (Pry was making that much before he left)

And, of course, we know that - even before the new contract - C) Franklin was paid more than Ryan Day.

So, knowing A) and B) and C), does that make you rethink your conclusions?

 

[anon1712773474]

Well all this aside, who actually got the better person? Knowles at Cornell 26-34 as hc. Diaz at Miami 21-16 . I don know their comparisons as dc but again the competition level was much better for Diaz. I’m inclined, therefor, to believe that maybe Diaz might have an edge here. Probably both are good but can it be argued that one is better than the other?

 

[Whart]

A) Yurcich was approximately $1.5 million last year - from Penn State, of course
B) I don't know what Diaz' will be in 2022, but I would, with zero trepidation, wager you that it will be at least that much. (Pry was making that much before he left)

And, of course, we know that - even before the new contract - C) Franklin was paid more than Ryan Day.

So, knowing A) and B) and C), does that make you rethink your conclusions?

Assuming you are correct ( as I stated I do not have such figures) then both of our coordinators will be at least $2 million dollar+ men in short order….again assuming good results. We shall see if. PSU will pony up for elite talent….below HC etc. I was told by more than one insider that MY was acquired ( partly)with the help of significant severance package from UT. That severance plus our salary made it easy for him to say yes. If that is true….he will come calling some day soon for a bump. I never said that PSU was cheap….what I did say was that I feel that Knowles level money was not in the cards etc etc.