Ok, now that the dust from yesterday has settled, what have we lost?

[18IsTheMan]

Obviously, Antwane was the big bomb yesterday. We lost several other players who had not been contributors in their time here. Jeter was an odd one, being that his job was likely safe. But, he's a senior so he put in his time here.

With Antwane, I think it was a pretty big emotional kick in the nuts, but we're not losing any production from this year's team with him bolting. Not trying to lessen the impact of his departure, but If we can pick a couple of our WR targets from the portal along with Mazeo coming in, I think we can be fine at WR. Staley is still out there, but it's looking pretty certain that he'll stick with UT.

Per Twitter, Beamer was working hard to keep the drip from becoming a flood. We shall see. As far as real impact, we've lost one WR who wasn't even a contributor this last season. We SHOULD be able to replace that.

 

[18IsTheMan]

And now Blake, but not a major loss I don't think.

 

[Cackmandu]

And now Blake, but not a major loss I don't think.

I just hate to see people speculating on some of these guys without a press release! It doesn't make the kid look bad, it makes the fanbase look bad!

 

[Viennacock]

Obviously, Antwane was the big bomb yesterday. We lost several other players who had not been contributors in their time here. Jeter was an odd one, being that his job was likely safe. But, he's a senior so he put in his time here.

With Antwane, I think it was a pretty big emotional kick in the nuts, but we're not losing any production from this year's team with him bolting. Not trying to lessen the impact of his departure, but If we can pick a couple of our WR targets from the portal along with Mazeo coming in, I think we can be fine at WR. Staley is still out there, but it's looking pretty certain that he'll stick with UT.

Per Twitter, Beamer was working hard to keep the drip from becoming a flood. We shall see. As far as real impact, we've lost one WR who wasn't even a contributor this last season. We SHOULD be able to replace that.

Unfortunately, the dust hasn't settled. I think we'll need a few more weeks before the dust settles.

As you mentioned, Juice didn't play this year and wouldn't have played next year if he played this year. At the beginning of this year, I was fully expecting him to be gone next year.

 

[Viennacock]

And now Blake, but not a major loss I don't think.

If he leaves, I think this is a relatively big loss. He has experience and was coming on this year. Who so we have left? Harbour and Doty?

 

[18IsTheMan]

Unfortunately, the dust hasn't settled. I think we'll need a few more weeks before the dust settles.

As you mentioned, Juice didn't play this year and wouldn't have played next year if he played this year. At the beginning of this year, I was fully expecting him to be gone next year.

Yeah, there are definitely more to come. Just thinking in terms of yesterday. Losing Antwane sucks, no way around it, but we've already played a year without him, so it's not like we'll have to adjust.

 

[Evilchicken]

Is Beamer in the portal?

 

[18IsTheMan]

Is Beamer in the portal?

I don't really fault Beamer. Coaches are in a tough spot now with the portal and NIL. It's not really gonna have much impact on the top programs. They'll hold onto their top talent and players down the depth chart will transfer, but those are quickly and easily replaced in recruiting.

For programs like us, however, player development is essential. Now, that's pretty much out the window. If you land a good player in recruiting but things don't go exactly as they like in one way or another, they'll bolt for presumably greener pastures. If you land an underrated player who turns into good player, he'll likely take off as well. There is no more seeing things through to the end. The portal and NIL cater to the instant gratification mindset. A lot of players are showing they aren't willing to play through adversity, a down year or two for a team. I don't really know what someone in Beamer's position can do about it.

 

[1vagamecock]

It doesn't even really start until next week

 

[18IsTheMan]

It doesn't even really start until next week

Sure. Just speaking of the dust from yesterday's bomb.

 

[Deleted11512]

I keep seeing people saying it's not a done deal for Juice. I know he hasn't said anything himself. He did delete that retweet from the TX guy about transferring to make more money, and like Kroeger's tweet about coming back and believing in what Beamer is doing. I know you can't hang on tweets, but I thought that was mildly interesting given people are saying it's not 100%.

If we're losing guys because their underperforming coaches are getting canned that's a net positive. That's the only reason I can think of Blake would leave. Unless Beamer told him we're going to get a couple of more talented portal WRs.

At the end of the day, things are never as bad or good as they seem. In some places we'll upgrade. Others we may take a hit. I'm just going to let it play out. I'm not mad that Juice left (if it happens). I'm disappointed in how it has been ALLEGED to have happened. Remember, we paid a lot to get Juice in the first place.

 

[Evilchicken]

Beamer won’t last in the current NIL landscape. Maybe 20 years ago you could allow a coach like Beamer to grow into the role (with steady upward progression) for 5-6 years before yearly high performance is truly expected. Nowadays, a coach is given 3 years tops to post elite performance, and that was with the traditional high-school recruiting model! NIL has turned South Carolina into a stepping stone program for players, and Beamer will be cobbling together teams on a yearly basis—NOT GOOD.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I keep seeing people saying it's not a done deal for Juice. I know he hasn't said anything himself. He did delete that retweet from the TX guy about transferring to make more money, and like Kroeger's tweet about coming back and believing in what Beamer is doing. I know you can't hang on tweets, but I thought that was mildly interesting given people are saying it's not 100%.

If we're losing guys because their underperforming coaches are getting canned that's a net positive. That's the only reason I can think of Blake would leave. Unless Beamer told him we're going to get a couple of more talented portal WRs.

At the end of the day, things are never as bad or good as they seem. In some places we'll upgrade. Others we may take a hit. I'm just going to let it play out. I'm not mad that Juice left (if it happens). I'm disappointed in how it has been ALLEGED to have happened. Remember, we paid a lot to get Juice in the first place.

Well, I guess one shred of hope is that Antwane's name is not in the portal yet, even though he's a grad transfer so there's no reason it can't be in already.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Beamer won’t last in the current NIL landscape. Maybe 20 years ago you could allow a coach like Beamer to grow into the role (with steady upward progression) for 5-6 years before yearly high performance is truly expected. Nowadays, a coach is given 3 years tops to post elite performance, and that was with the traditional high-school recruiting model! NIL has turned South Carolina into a stepping stone program for players, and Beamer will be cobbling together teams on a yearly basis—NOT GOOD.

What coach CAN survive here in the current climate then? NO coach is ever going to post elite performances here in 3 years. It's simply not possible. EVERY coach we ever get will have to grow into it. Spurrier was average here for 5 years. It just can't be done.

 

[Viennacock]

What coach CAN survive here in the current climate then? NO coach is ever going to post elite performances here in 3 years. It's simply not possible. EVERY coach we ever get will have to grow into it. Spurrier was average here for 5 years. It just can't be done.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

 

[Gradstudent]

What I don't get, is if one room, like the WR room that has a bunch of players bolt to the portal, why at least one or two guys wanting to go to the portal for playing time, would say hmmm, wait a second there is now more balls or PT potential since Juice went or this and that guys went.

Seems like some of the young guys that never played like Horton, that have will generate minimal interest anyways would wait and be the last to declare for the portal after the dust has cleared.

 

[Deleted11512]

What I don't get, is if one room, like the WR room that has a bunch of players bolt to the portal, why at least one or two guys wanting to go to the portal for playing time, would say hmmm, wait a second there is now more balls or PT potential since Juice went or this and that guys went.

Seems like some of the young guys that never played like Horton, that have will generate minimal interest anyways would wait and be the last to declare for the portal after the dust has cleared.

Unless they know they're losing their position coach??

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

It doesn't even really start until next week

12/4 to be exact.

 

[Gradstudent]

Unless they know they're losing their position coach??

That would make sense, but your going to get a new coach anyways at your new team, maybe let it play out?

But I'm old school and still would tell a young guy to pick a school for the school not a coach, but the school seems to be a low item on the selection criteria today for sure, LOL

 

[Spinal Tap]

If he leaves, I think this is a relatively big loss. He has experience and was coming on this year. Who so we have left? Harbour and Doty?

We are running out of receivers to throw to. Would've liked to have Blake returning.

 

[92Pony]

Unless they know they're losing their position coach??

That's the only way that some of this makes any sense for me. Or, maybe this is just the way moving forward, and ALL sensibility is out the window, period.

 

[Deleted11512]

I mean, we were a 5-7 team. A lot of people on this board questioned if Beamer had what it took to make changes. We've got a lot of people that SHOULD have contributed more hitting the portal. We knew we would be active in this portal cycle. Can't be active without spots to offer.

 

[92Pony]

I mean, we were a 5-7 team. A lot of people on this board questioned if Beamer had what it took to make changes. We've got a lot of people that SHOULD have contributed more hitting the portal. We knew we would be active in this portal cycle. Can't be active without spots to offer.

The bad thing is, I get the sinking feeling that we're going to be active with 2* and DII players... That's no way to improve; they're not all Mario. Sigh.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I mean, we were a 5-7 team. A lot of people on this board questioned if Beamer had what it took to make changes. We've got a lot of people that SHOULD have contributed more hitting the portal. We knew we would be active in this portal cycle. Can't be active without spots to offer.

I'm anti-portal (yes, even if it did bring us Rattler, who I love), but there are quite a few really good looking WRs in the portal already.

 

[Deleted11512]

I'm anti-portal (yes, even if it did bring us Rattler, who I love), but there are quite a few really good looking WRs in the portal already.

Yes, and we're active with many of them.

 

[Deleted11512]

The bad thing is, I get the sinking feeling that we're going to be active with 2* and DII players... That's no way to improve; they're not all Mario. Sigh.

Nah, we're going to get some players, I think.

 

[18IsTheMan]

The bad thing is, I get the sinking feeling that we're going to be active with 2* and DII players... That's no way to improve; they're not all Mario. Sigh.

Well, we're on way to becoming an honorary Ivy League school.

 

[92Pony]

Well, we're on way to becoming an honorary Ivy League school.

Maybe that'll make Molly happy.

 

[Deleted11512]

Clemson is expecting more big hits as well. Sounds like they expect both Shipley and Briningstool to jump in.

 

[gamecock stock]

It would be interesting to see a metric comparing schools on number and quality of players lost through the portal. How would we compare? I speculate, not well. But I'm really not certain.

 

[Deleted11512]

Clem may lose A. Williams too.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Nah, we're going to get some players, I think.

Solid WR from Texas Tech, Jerand Bradley is entering the portal.

 

[uscphan]

Outside of a couple of them, maybe the others were encouraged to leave? For those worried about the WR room, we’re set to lose 19 receptions from this year’s team to the portal. Omega had all of those 19. To put that into perspective, DL Alex Huntley had more than the others combined, and he had 1.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Outside of a couple of them, maybe the others were encouraged to leave? For those worried about the WR room, we’re set to lose 19 receptions from this year’s team to the portal. Omega had all of those 19. To put that into perspective, DL Alex Huntley had more than the others combined, and he had 1.

I heard a suggestion that Beamer may essentially be starting over. Getting rid of all dead weight on the roster and revamping the staff. Supposedly. multiple coaching changes are in the works, one of which was described as "maybe a surprise".

No idea if this is true or not and I don't know if it's good or bad to blowing it up and starting over in Year 3.

 

[Cock-n-Lateral]

Unless Beamer told him we're going to get a couple of more talented portal WRs.

I don't think Beamer is that stupid. No one in their right mind would run off a productive player on account of players they "might" get in the portal that "might" be good when they get here...

 

[Thunderstick]

Beamer won’t last in the current NIL landscape. Maybe 20 years ago you could allow a coach like Beamer to grow into the role (with steady upward progression) for 5-6 years before yearly high performance is truly expected. Nowadays, a coach is given 3 years tops to post elite performance, and that was with the traditional high-school recruiting model! NIL has turned South Carolina into a stepping stone program for players, and Beamer will be cobbling together teams on a yearly basis—NOT GOOD.

As, over the decades, my fervid attachment to Carolina basketball dwindled to a non-existent state, the same is happening to my once unquenchable love for Carolina football. With basketball it wasn't because of the continual losing but the anonymity of the players caused by the "one-and-done" model. The heated, despised rivalries melted away. Of course, our exit from the ACC exacerbated the problem.

With the advent of the NIL era the Gamecocks' football chances of advancing to the upper tier of SEC royalty is just as unlikely as me assuming Commissioner Sankey's duties. I hardly knew who Antwane Wells was. I just, in the last couple of months, got to know who Xavier Legette is. Who the hell is Mario Anderson (a fine RB, by the way)?

In contrast, Spencer Rattler seems like my roommate -- because he's been here TWO YEARS!! I am deeply grateful for everything he provided USC in those two years. He really is a true Gamecock.

This harangue is simply an avenue for me to offload my frustration with college basketball and football. I fear excellency in both are unattainable for Gamecock fans. Frank McGuire and Steve Spurrier were the best we ever had and the best we are ever likely to have.

 

[18IsTheMan]

In contrast, Spencer Rattler seems like my roommate -- because he's been here TWO YEARS!!

Nominate for post of the year.

 

[Deleted11512]

I don't think Beamer is that stupid. No one in their right mind would run off a productive player on account of players they "might" get in the portal that "might" be good when they get here...

I’m sorry, but Omega Blake was not a productive player for us….not even close.

 

[Deleted11512]

Nominate for post of the year.

 

[Deleted11512]

Uva says to expect 15 players to hit the portal, the majority of which are not starters. Sounds like Beamer's trying to reset the roster. I think he knows he's got to act now in order to get this thing turned around. Things are getting any easier with TX/OU coming.