Okt. County to sell OCH to Baptist

ababyatemydingo

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IDK. Baptist bought Jeff Anderson Memorial in Meridian and it has gone straight in the dumps since they bought it. Whole floors shuttered because they're too cheap to hire enough staff to staff those floors. Patients waiting in the ER for up to a day and a half before getting in a room. Ambulance crews having to hang out there for up to 2 hours waiting to get patients in an ER room. Overall, Meridian healthcare sucks balls now.
 
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IDK. Baptist bought Jeff Anderson Memorial in Meridian and it has gone straight in the dumps since they bought it. Whole floors shuttered because they're too cheap to hire enough staff to staff those floors. Patients waiting in the ER for up to a day and a half before getting in a room. Ambulance crews having to hang out there for up to 2 hours waiting to get patients in an ER room. Overall, Meridian healthcare sucks balls now.
This is somewhat surprising to read, at least as to the "shuttering floors" and ER wait times.

The 2 hour "wall time" that hangs up your ambulance service is not surprising in the least.
 
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IDK. Baptist bought Jeff Anderson Memorial in Meridian and it has gone straight in the dumps since they bought it. Whole floors shuttered because they're too cheap to hire enough staff to staff those floors. Patients waiting in the ER for up to a day and a half before getting in a room. Ambulance crews having to hang out there for up to 2 hours waiting to get patients in an ER room. Overall, Meridian healthcare sucks balls now.
Since they bought it? From an absolutely horrible person experience with a close family member, Anderson has been awful for decades. It is well known in these parts as a place to stay away from. It may be that Baptist is just having a hard time getting out the cultural rot.
 

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Since they bought it? From an absolutely horrible person experience with a close family member, Anderson has been awful for decades. It is well known in these parts as a place to stay away from. It may be that Baptist is just having a hard time getting out the cultural rot.
no. it's much worse than it was. if that's possible. Oschner's/Rush isn't any better. They say they "don't have any rooms". They have plenty of rooms. They don't have staff and have shuttered floors. Both hospitals
 
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You get have an emergency , or serious condition in Vegas,(or anywhere near abouts) you may be sent to any other number of locations,
Meridian, Jackson, Columbus, Tupelo, Birmingham, .... depends on what the problem is, and which facility can treat your problem, AND which one has an opening at that point in time.
 

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I wonder if NMHS tabled a bid?
Yeah me too. I was hoping they'd get it. I'd rather Starkville be run by a local/MS hospital, that is well run, than a hospital based out of Memphis. Seems Baptist in a Columbus is doing well so hopefully they get Starkville on track. Baptist in Oxford is supposedly doing good as well.
 

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Yeah me too. I was hoping they'd get it. I'd rather Starkville be run by a local/MS hospital, that is well run, than a hospital based out of Memphis. Seems Baptist in a Columbus is doing well so hopefully they get Starkville on track. Baptist in Oxford is supposedly doing good as well.
I’d rather have Baptist. Baptist Oxford is really good.
 
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no. it's much worse than it was. if that's possible. Oschner's/Rush isn't any better. They say they "don't have any rooms". They have plenty of rooms. They don't have staff and have shuttered floors. Both hospitals
Wow. Ochner's name is on everything around now.

What happened with Riley's? Still open? Didn't Anderson buy Riley's several years ago before Baptist bought them both?
 

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Many of these hospitals are not hiring and when someone leaves they don’t hire someone to replace them. They just load the remaining staff down more and shut down floors. It’s ridiculous.
 
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no. it's much worse than it was. if that's possible. Oschner's/Rush isn't any better. They say they "don't have any rooms". They have plenty of rooms. They don't have staff and have shuttered floors. Both hospitals
Any idea what is driving the staff shortage? Is it lack of available, qualified, competent skilled nursing?
 

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I work at Baptist in Columbus. Our ER sees 60k patients a year and we have minimal wait time and no patient boarding. It’s pretty awesome. Hopefully we can bring that to OCH. Also, having 2 hospitals so close will hopefully attract some services we desperately need, like neurology, neurosurgery, etc.
Not surprised by neurosurgery, but what’s the neurology situation? Is there a group or some employed or pure locums/staffing agency.
 

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Wow. Ochner's name is on everything around now.

What happened with Riley's? Still open? Didn't Anderson buy Riley's several years ago before Baptist bought them both?
Anderson bought Riley's and turned it into a swing bed and wound care center. I hear Baptist is looking to shutter it. Don't know if true but my source is a cardiologist in Meridian who I've been friends with since we were 5 years old
 

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Any idea what is driving the staff shortage? Is it lack of available, qualified, competent skilled nursing?
Availability of staff is what I'm told. I heard from a good source that Baptist is doing a lot of cost cutting, which isn't necessarily a bad or unexpected thing after buying an asset snd evaluating where it is financially. But they are driving off a lot of patients. I know a lot of people have moved their health care to Laurel, Hattiesburg, Birmingham, Tupelo, or Jackson area
 

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OCH already has the upper floor shuttered because of lack of patients and staff shortages. What they do handle they appear to be pretty good at but most patients with an option already go to Tupelo or Columbus anyway. I'm afraid OCH will be just a MASH hospital and stop the bleeding and ship you to Columbus, which kind of happens now anyway
 

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I've had great experiences with Baptist-Desoto. And I have gone to Methodist-Olive Branch which were good as well. Methodist hospital systems don't seem as aggressive as far as expansion goes. Having a good hospital administrator is the key for the local hospital success. I hope Baptist can improve their cardiac response team for the Starkville area. Feel like there's a need for that.
 

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IDK. Baptist bought Jeff Anderson Memorial in Meridian and it has gone straight in the dumps since they bought it. Whole floors shuttered because they're too cheap to hire enough staff to staff those floors. Patients waiting in the ER for up to a day and a half before getting in a room. Ambulance crews having to hang out there for up to 2 hours waiting to get patients in an ER room. Overall, Meridian healthcare sucks balls now.
My parents still live in Meridian and I live in Birmingham - we always tell them that if they need something other than a regular checkup, we are bringing them over here. They routinely have to travel for Jackson for what should be a local visit in a town that used to have 3 major hospitals.
 

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I recently had a major injury and used Ochsner's ER and surgical staff here in Meridian. It could not have gone any better and I'm very thankful for those that took care of me during a very painful time in my life.
 

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Glad they’re finally selling OCH. What an awful facility. Baptist-Columbus isn’t much better but OCH and the lack of quality healthcare has been holding Starkville back.
 

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Ehh, I dont think so. I think you could see Baptist refocus, if you will, in GTR market.

For my own selfish reasons being a resident here now I hope they improve it drastically. But I've been talking to a neighbor that has practicing privileges there and he says if that hospital is going to grow and improve that many new Drs need to be recruited for the area, a variety of more specialty types. He thinks the lack of a variety of practices in Starkville to refer patients to the hospital but instead has them going to other hospitals has held development of the hospital back a lot for a long time and thereby holds down the occupancy rate which leads to things like the unused top floor of it now, lack of employees to fill positions etc.

Hopefully Baptist has checked their own records and sees how many patients get referred there now from the Starkville area and sees that there is enough patients for both towns and can use that to recruit Drs and related ancillary employees.
 

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For my own selfish reasons being a resident here now I hope they improve it drastically. But I've been talking to a neighbor that has practicing privileges there and he says if that hospital is going to grow and improve that many new Drs need to be recruited for the area, a variety of more specialty types. He thinks the lack of a variety of practices in Starkville to refer patients to the hospital but instead has them going to other hospitals has held development of the hospital back a lot for a long time and thereby holds down the occupancy rate which leads to things like the unused top floor of it now, lack of employees to fill positions etc.

Hopefully Baptist has checked their own records and sees how many patients get referred there now from the Starkville area and sees that there is enough patients for both towns and can use that to recruit Drs and related ancillary employees.
I think your neighbor is exactly right, and that is the pitch Baptist made. Looking at it as the GTR market for physicians, not just Starkville and/or Columbus.
 

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Ehh, I dont think so. I think you could see Baptist refocus, if you will, in GTR market.
This is what I assume the long term plan is. The Baptist hospital in Columbus is old. Maybe older than the “old” Oxford hospital at least by the look of it. One would hope when the time comes to build a new facility, they would build it in Starkville; hopefully similar to what they have in Oxford. Starkville is going to be a much easier sell than Columbus when it comes to recruiting physicians and other staff. Additionally, the patient mix going to be a lot better in Starkville with all the retirees moving there.

I have no idea how Mississippi’s CON laws will play with shifting hospital beds from Columbus to Starkville though. May be a big stumbling block legally. Given the healthcare situation in MS; they should probably just throw out all the CON stuff as it clearly hasn’t worked and just serves to cement control of healthcare by the larger incumbents in the state eliminating competition.
 

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This is what I assume the long term plan is. The Baptist hospital in Columbus is old. Maybe older than the “old” Oxford hospital at least by the look of it. One would hope when the time comes to build a new facility, they would build it in Starkville; hopefully similar to what they have in Oxford. Starkville is going to be a much easier sell than Columbus when it comes to recruiting physicians and other staff. Additionally, the patient mix going to be a lot better in Starkville with all the retirees moving there.

I have no idea how Mississippi’s CON laws will play with shifting hospital beds from Columbus to Starkville though. May be a big stumbling block legally. Given the healthcare situation in MS; they should probably just throw out all the CON stuff as it clearly hasn’t worked and just serves to cement control of healthcare by the larger incumbents in the state eliminating competition.

I have never understood the CON laws. If a corporation wants to build a hospital and thinks they can make a go of it, why the hell do they need to show a need to the State of MS? It sounds like early on there were some hospital admins in the legislature that didn't want any competition. If Starkville needs a CON for anything its chicken joints, Mexican restaurants, Dollar Generals and convenience stores
 
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I have never understood the CON laws. If a corporation wants to build a hospital and thinks they can make a go of it, why the hell do they need to show a need to the State of MS? It sounds like early on there were some hospital admins in the legislature that didn't want any competition. If Starkville needs a CON for anything its chicken joints, Mexican restaurants, Dollar Generals and convenience stores
It was basically about limiting competition, but the argument for it as I understand it was something along the lines of "We are a rural state and medical facilities and equipment are expensive. Also, a lot of facilities are going to have to draw from nearby areas to be viable. If you want people to invest in areas like that, you have to give them some kind of certainty that somebody isn't simultaneously putting in a similar investment in a nearby town that's going to make them uneconomic. SO to do that, you you need to require people to give notice of their plans and require approval." It's pretty much a garbage argument that everybody would recognize as garbage in every other industry, but people for some reason healthcare is somehow completely unique compared to any other industry in a way that is not true for every industry if you get granular enough.
 

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It was basically about limiting competition, but the argument for it as I understand it was something along the lines of "We are a rural state and medical facilities and equipment are expensive. Also, a lot of facilities are going to have to draw from nearby areas to be viable. If you want people to invest in areas like that, you have to give them some kind of certainty that somebody isn't simultaneously putting in a similar investment in a nearby town that's going to make them uneconomic. SO to do that, you you need to require people to give notice of their plans and require approval." It's pretty much a garbage argument that everybody would recognize as garbage in every other industry, but people for some reason healthcare is somehow completely unique compared to any other industry in a way that is not true for every industry if you get granular enough.

I get it and there's a sliver of validity to it.

But, should the City of Starkville have denied Aldi a permit to build a new grocery store here because it may hurt the ones in Maben, West Point, Eupora, Ackerman etc and we already have Kroger and WalMart x 2 here? If people want to drive to Starkville instead of shopping in their home town, why should Spruill and her cronies say no?
 
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This is what I assume the long term plan is. The Baptist hospital in Columbus is old. Maybe older than the “old” Oxford hospital at least by the look of it. One would hope when the time comes to build a new facility, they would build it in Starkville; hopefully similar to what they have in Oxford. Starkville is going to be a much easier sell than Columbus when it comes to recruiting physicians and other staff. Additionally, the patient mix going to be a lot better in Starkville with all the retirees moving there.

I have no idea how Mississippi’s CON laws will play with shifting hospital beds from Columbus to Starkville though. May be a big stumbling block legally. Given the healthcare situation in MS; they should probably just throw out all the CON stuff as it clearly hasn’t worked and just serves to cement control of healthcare by the larger incumbents in the state eliminating competition.
Ironically, Baptist would fight like hell to preserve the Certificate of Need statutes as they exist. Make no mistake, Baptist does not want the CON laws changed.