Okt. County to sell OCH to Baptist

The Cooterpoot

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It was basically about limiting competition, but the argument for it as I understand it was something along the lines of "We are a rural state and medical facilities and equipment are expensive. Also, a lot of facilities are going to have to draw from nearby areas to be viable. If you want people to invest in areas like that, you have to give them some kind of certainty that somebody isn't simultaneously putting in a similar investment in a nearby town that's going to make them uneconomic. SO to do that, you you need to require people to give notice of their plans and require approval." It's pretty much a garbage argument that everybody would recognize as garbage in every other industry, but people for some reason healthcare is somehow completely unique compared to any other industry in a way that is not true for every industry if you get granular enough.
Well, the medical community of Starkville is damn near nonexistent and holds back the area. Nobody wants to go to the Northeast Campus of Jackson (Columbus). Starkville needs a larger medical community and the hospital to grow the area. Otherwise, it won't grow much and that hurts worse than competition.
 

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Ironically, Baptist would fight like hell to preserve the Certificate of Need statutes as they exist. Make no mistake, Baptist does not want the CON laws changed.
Didn’t mean to imply that they would oppose it. I’m sure every major hospital system in the state would dump a truckload of money to lobbyists to keep them in place if they were ever in danger of repeal.
 

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IDK. Baptist bought Jeff Anderson Memorial in Meridian and it has gone straight in the dumps since they bought it. Whole floors shuttered because they're too cheap to hire enough staff to staff those floors. Patients waiting in the ER for up to a day and a half before getting in a room. Ambulance crews having to hang out there for up to 2 hours waiting to get patients in an ER room. Overall, Meridian healthcare sucks balls now.
I've never understood how Meridian supports two hospitals of that size, literally on opposite sides of the street. With zero knowledge other than driving by and seeing proximity, it never made sense to me.
 

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I've never understood how Meridian supports two hospitals of that size, literally on opposite sides of the street. With zero knowledge other than driving by and seeing proximity, it never made sense to me.
Health care in Meridian used to serve a pretty good sized health care market area in east MS and west AL but I don't know how much that has declined. I know for a fact that part of the problem is getting physicians to come to MS, especially small town MS.

We also used to have a strong and healthy middle class the backbone of which was the railroads but that has declined a lot over my adult lifetime.

I've never thought about until now, but, I suspect health care is a trailing industry in that it's growth and contraction trails the growth and contraction of the service area. I suspect that is probably because Medicare and Medicaid so substantially support health care services in MS now.
 
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This is good news, imo, for the local community/region

I’ve worked for both Baptist hospitals in Oxford and in Memphis. Oxford is well run for the most part. Memphis is very up and down. They’ll accumulate a good crop of staff and not do what is needed to retain them, and then they’re stuck with a bunch of fresh face newbies. I’ve seen the cycle many times. Baptist is the stereotypical healthcare organization that will do everything they can to squeeze out more while providing less and be reactive instead of proactive. I could go all day about how screwed up the medical corporation is though.
 
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I’ve worked for both Baptist hospitals in Oxford and in Memphis. Oxford is well run for the most part. Memphis is very up and down. They’ll accumulate a good crop of staff and not do what is needed to retain them, and then they’re stuck with a bunch of fresh face newbies. I’ve seen the cycle many times. Baptist is the stereotypical healthcare organization that will do everything they can to squeeze out more while providing less and be reactive instead of proactive. I could go all day about how screwed up the medical corporation is though.
Your last comment provoked this non-germane thought: I fear that the providing of legal services to the public is going the way of health care and will catch up once the prohibition against non-lawyers owning equity in law firms is entirely eliminated. Hopefully I will be sayonara by then and living on a ranch that don't rent pigs.
 
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TheDawg-Pound

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They did but they weren't going to get into a bidding war with Baptist for it because they just purchased a hospital in Marion Co., Alabama within the last few months.
Not sure why they'd do this over an in state hospital other than it not wanting to go into bidding war with Baptist. Taking in state insurance than dealing with out of state. That area looks like it would have a lot of Alabama medicaid.
 
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IDK. Baptist bought Jeff Anderson Memorial in Meridian and it has gone straight in the dumps since they bought it. Whole floors shuttered because they're too cheap to hire enough staff to staff those floors. Patients waiting in the ER for up to a day and a half before getting in a room. Ambulance crews having to hang out there for up to 2 hours waiting to get patients in an ER room. Overall, Meridian healthcare sucks balls now.
I encourage you to go read the current reviews at OCH on google.
 

OG Goat Holder

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Care to explain what you are talking about or afraid to look stupid?
It ain't rocket science.

cut cut cut cut cut privatize privatize privatize privatize privatize no thought whatsoever just cut I have no idea about this job or that job but it's public so cut it and privatize it
 
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It ain't rocket science.

cut cut cut cut cut privatize privatize privatize privatize privatize no thought whatsoever just cut I have no idea about this job or that job but it's public so cut it and privatize it
Ok so you post didn’t really make sense.

we are cutting a failing government hospital that has been mismanaged to a certain degree.

I guarantee that if Baptist wants it to succeed they’ll hire a good admin to run it. And if he fails? He’ll get fired and they’ll try again versus settling for mediocrity.
 
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It was basically about limiting competition, but the argument for it as I understand it was something along the lines of "We are a rural state and medical facilities and equipment are expensive. Also, a lot of facilities are going to have to draw from nearby areas to be viable. If you want people to invest in areas like that, you have to give them some kind of certainty that somebody isn't simultaneously putting in a similar investment in a nearby town that's going to make them uneconomic. SO to do that, you you need to require people to give notice of their plans and require approval." It's pretty much a garbage argument that everybody would recognize as garbage in every other industry, but people for some reason healthcare is somehow completely unique compared to any other industry in a way that is not true for every industry if you get granular enough.
The one thing you are forgetting is Medicaid. Every 5 or so years the Legislature looks at doing away with CON laws, looks at how much its going to cost the taxpayer, and decides against it. Like everything else, we have too many poor folks.
 

OG Goat Holder

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Ok so you post didn’t really make sense.

we are cutting a failing government hospital that has been mismanaged to a certain degree.

I guarantee that if Baptist wants it to succeed they’ll hire a good admin to run it. And if he fails? He’ll get fired and they’ll try again versus settling for mediocrity.
naw man administrators are a waste of money, gotta cut them all

or is that just true for the public sector?
 
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naw man administrators are a waste of money, gotta cut them all

or is that just true for the public sector?
No one has ever said administration was a waste of money.

We have said some admins are wasteful.
Some departments are wasteful.
It’s a fact. I’m sorry you are too stupid to understand that.

guess what? It happens in the private sector too but it’s usually corrected a lot quicker.
 

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I've never understood how Meridian supports two hospitals of that size, literally on opposite sides of the street. With zero knowledge other than driving by and seeing proximity, it never made sense to me.
They used to have 3 when I was growing up there, all right by each other. It was called Pill Hill. Everyone from the surrounding area came to Meridian for health care. Not sure that's the case anymore.
 
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With the current administration's attack on Medicaid/Medicare, ALL HOSPITALS are going to suffer as that is most of their revenue.
 

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The one thing you are forgetting is Medicaid. Every 5 or so years the Legislature looks at doing away with CON laws, looks at how much its going to cost the taxpayer, and decides against it. Like everything else, we have too many poor folks.
So you are saying that the CON laws are a way to limit service provided to medicaid patients? Have not heard of that but I guess it must accomplish that to some extent because I guess everybody that is of limited capacity is going to cut out medicaid patients first.
 

johnson86-1

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With the current administration's attack on Medicaid/Medicare, ALL HOSPITALS are going to suffer as that is most of their revenue.
What attack as the current administration made on Medicare? It has proposed a budget that doesn't leave much area to cut other than in Medicaid, but otherwise, what are these claims based on?
 
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Which is why I'm afraid Baptist winning won't be good for Starkville.
I have worked with both Hospitals. Both have good and bad, but NMHS better ran in this area. Baptist in Columbus is linked to Memphis and the furthest out. They often go overlooked. NMHS is located here and looking to expand and grow. Would not shock me if they make some type of move into Starkville.
 

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Anybody else in the pack born there?
I was in 1980 while my parents were students at State.
 

TheDawg-Pound

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I think your neighbor is exactly right, and that is the pitch Baptist made. Looking at it as the GTR market for physicians, not just Starkville and/or Columbus.
Yes and no. I spoke with an administrator. The problem is no one wants to work too hard either. For example they need two endocrinologist. No one wanted to come and be the only one/ always on call. That was a few years ago but I'm sure the principal is still the same.
 

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What attack as the current administration made on Medicare? It has proposed a budget that doesn't leave much area to cut other than in Medicaid, but otherwise, what are these claims based on?
What does this mean? Are you being obtuse on purpose?
They’ve ruled out all other cuts but Medicaid?
How does that affect Medicaid?
You’ve answered your own question right wing glfr.
 

johnson86-1

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What does this mean? Are you being obtuse on purpose?
They’ve ruled out all other cuts but Medicaid?
How does that affect Medicaid?
You’ve answered your own question right wing glfr.
So you didn’t read the question? Or you don’t know the difference between Medicare and Medicaid?