Id play him over Ledbetter right now. Id play Chance over Ledbetter. I cant believe Ledbetter and Alford are so bad. They didn’t hit coach pitch this summer.
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I did lose a lot for Ledbetter with the 2-0 swing last night. But he’s still a lot better player than mac ever was
Ledbetter is hitting .245 in conference with a .700 OPS. And thats not even halfway through. He looks at way too many good pitches.
Hatcher and Hancock weren’t regulars in 2019. They were platoon guys based on pitching matchups. Mac was an every day player and had the 5th highest OPS of the 6 or 7 players who played every game.
Hatcher played in 45 games. Perhaps he shouldn’t have been platooned if he was out producing our clean up guy in 2/3rds of the games.
also again I state, westy was on that team as well.
no way he should have hit 4fh. Again he hit there because he was a lemonis favorite but again that wasn’t really the point. He was a role guy. And nothing more. The ol it factor he has that he claims this team doesn’t is downright silly
I think you’re missing the point. Hatcher’s production was against RH pitching only. That was his role. He sucked against LH pitching and that’s why he didn’t play every day. Anyone who gets almost all their AB’s in a favorable pitching matchup is going to have deceptively high OPS, average, etc. Hancock and Cumbest were in that same category in 2019 too.
And yeah of course Westburg was on the team….I’m not sure what you’re arguing there. He started every game. You saying he should have hit 4th over Mac even though he had a lower OPS and lower SLG%?
You wanna be pissed about the 5th best OPS guy and 4th best slugging guy hitting 4th, I guess have at it. Really weird hill to die on though.
You’re real quick to tell someone he’s missing the point. I’m not dying on any hill. I said and stand by this:
Mac was a role guy. Average player here. Should not have hit 4th. He has the 7th best ops on the team. And it’s laughable that he claims this team doenst have “it” basically referring to the fact that he did have “it”. It’s also laughable that anyone here would want him to join a coaching staff because he hit a few homers here.
Mac had his career, it was an average one, he was a contributor to 2 good teams. His opinion on this team is worth about as much as anyones on this board and his chances of Joining the staff is the same
Mac was a role guy. Average player here. Should not have hit 4th. He has the 7th best ops on the team. And it’s laughable that he claims this team doenst have “it” basically referring to the fact that he did have “it”. It’s also laughable that anyone here would want him to join a coaching staff because he hit a few homers here.
Mac had his career, it was an average one, he was a contributor to 2 good teams. His opinion on this team is worth about as much as anyones on this board and his chances of Joining the staff is the same
Also in conference play that year his ops was behind
allen
Mangum
Foscue
Skelton
Westburg
Jordan
and one more thing if you say Hatcher was platooned ok, the other half of that platoon was Marshall Gilbert. The platoon combined to hit better than mac did that season
Not dying on any hill. But of the regular spots mac didn’t deserve to hit 4th more like 6-7th.
he hit there bexause lemonis, much like lemonis wouldn’t move certain guys out of the order last season. Much like Hancock continues to hit in the middle of the order now and guys like Forsythe continue to play. He gets loyal to certain guys and won’t move them regardless
allen
Mangum
Foscue
Skelton
Westburg
Jordan
and one more thing if you say Hatcher was platooned ok, the other half of that platoon was Marshall Gilbert. The platoon combined to hit better than mac did that season
Not dying on any hill. But of the regular spots mac didn’t deserve to hit 4th more like 6-7th.
he hit there bexause lemonis, much like lemonis wouldn’t move certain guys out of the order last season. Much like Hancock continues to hit in the middle of the order now and guys like Forsythe continue to play. He gets loyal to certain guys and won’t move them regardless
Check again there, my guy. Westburg SEC-only OPS was .840. Magnum was .853 (irrelevant bc obviously he was gonna hit leadoff and be in the Top 4 of order). Skelton was .827. Mac was .856. Didn’t check others but a lot of those are certainly wrong.
And another thing….since you brought up conference only stats, in SEC games only MSU led the SEC in OPS and was 2nd in runs scored by only 7 to Vanderbilt in 2019. It was an elite offensive club all year long. It’s pretty stunning that with all the meat on the bone that there is to argue that Lemonis and this staff are not up to par, you’re choosing to nitpick the batting order from THAT team from four 17ing years ago.
Gilbert was also 2nd catcher and platooned there a bit to give Skelton an occasional break. Although there were different combinations, the main platoon guy with Hatcher was Cumbest (the Cumbest who couldn’t hit a curve ball to save his life) And in any case, platoon guys don’t hit high in the order because you’re likely just going to take them out at the first or second pitching change anyway and you don’t want that spot in the lineup being occupied by a backup for multiple innings. Gilbert and Skelton were also slow as Christmas, which likely factored in to what we wanted to do in the top half of the order.
And try as you might, you can’t just add Hatcher to Cumbest or Gilbert or whoever and call that a single player that is better than MacNamee.
I’ll end by saying your disdain for MacNamee is strange and you seem a little too (oddly) triggered by his comments. At worst, he was a very solid middle of the order bat on what was probably the most talented overall team in MSU history, and certainly one of the best offensive teams we’ve ever had. That’s a hell of a lot better than average. And his comments on our program as a former player under several different coaches are worth way more than yours and mine put together. This is my last post on the matter.
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Don't know how he barreled that one enough to get it out. Almost in the dirt.
And he (ultimately) put us in a World Series with one monstrous at bat.
17 OPS. It donut measure cohones like that.
