One Alum's NIL Thoughts (Copied from the Lion's Den)

[Tgar]

Somebody posted on the other board that the Ole Miss NIL group just announced that they'd reached their fund-raising goal of 23 million dollars for 2023. I suspect that that alumni bunch has spent close to that amount informally--and illegally--in the past to buy recruits, but now it's all in the open. This whole NIL mess has created a true paradigm shift, and folks who ignore that reality may regret it in time. Choose to do nothing, if you wish, and pretend that you've done the "honorable" thing. NIL is now legal, and waiting for the NCAA to anything constructive about it seems like a pretty silly approach. I'll say no more.

To quote your choice of one word “ mess “. The fans didn’t create this **** show and it’s not the fans responsibility to solve it. A tiny portion of That big pool of revenue generated from broadcast rights should be used to pay players ( and make them sign contracts as well.)

BTW, those sums mentioned by various programs are just starting points. When you get to hear three or four of this, programs will be ponying up much greater sums to recruit and retain players.

 

[Ceasar]

Somebody posted on the other board that the Ole Miss NIL group just announced that they'd reached their fund-raising goal of 23 million dollars for 2023. I suspect that that alumni bunch has spent close to that amount informally--and illegally--in the past to buy recruits, but now it's all in the open. This whole NIL mess has created a true paradigm shift, and folks who ignore that reality may regret it in time. Choose to do nothing, if you wish, and pretend that you've done the "honorable" thing. NIL is now legal, and waiting for the NCAA to anything constructive about it seems like a pretty silly approach. I'll say no more.

David, not disagreeing with you and in time your fears may be proven to be justified. But to date I think it is pretty safe to say NIL has had little impact on competitive balance. A&M had the top class in the country last year and currently are 17. In fact, no school has really made much of a jump in recruiting rankings.
With that said, it will be interesting to see in the offseason if any star players, or highly regarded young talent, transfers. I'm sure kids from schools like Pitt (Addison) will do so. But not so sure you will see someone like Allar or Kaytron (just using them as examples since we as PSU fans are familiar with them) transfer for NIL $.

 

[Frank Jameslin]

To those of you who hate what NIL and the transfer portal are doing to college football, I agree with you. There needs to be some type of mechanism that creates competitive balance and not the Wild West situation we currently are faced with.

However, if too many Penn State football fans want to continue to pretend that it's still 1985 and not contribute to NIL, then good luck rooting for a program that will scratch and fight to be at best a mid-level Big 10 program. It's naive to think Penn State can put its head in the sand and pretend NIL doesn't exist and still be a top program.

 

[PSU12046]

Ok, and until that happens, Penn State athletics needs the help of alums and fans to stay competitive. As Stephen Light suggested above, the answer isn't complicated. As somebody once said, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

 

[VaDave4PSU]

To those of you who hate what NIL and the transfer portal are doing to college football, I agree with you. There needs to be some type of mechanism that creates competitive balance and not the Wild West situation we currently are faced with.

However, if too many Penn State football fans want to continue to pretend that it's still 1985 and not contribute to NIL, then good luck rooting for a program that will scratch and fight to be at best a mid-level Big 10 program. It's naive to think Penn State can put its head in the sand and pretend NIL doesn't exist and still be a top program.

The same people who funded players when it was illegal are the ones who are footing 90%, maybe more, of the NIL money that's coming in now.

I didn't pass cash to kids in the shadows before, and I don't believe I'm going to do so now. I'll watch the product on the field and enjoy of it what I can because it's entertainment.

 

[DavidM]

Guess what? Things change, folks. I think the incredibly creative "I'm too virtuous to consider supporting NIL funds for Penn State--and giving extra money to recruits or players used to be illegal so I can't possibly support it now when it's legal" is--interesting. A lot of our fans apparently don't understand the new NIL situation, and some of us were hoping to provide some info and perspective. Those of you taking your "moral high ground" stand are gonna do what you're gonna do.

As for the last poster, personally passing cash to kids is still illegal, and there's nothing "in the shadows" about NIL arrangements. Sorry.

 

[Frank Jameslin]

The same people who funded players when it was illegal are the ones who are footing 90%, maybe more, of the NIL money that's coming in now.

I didn't pass cash to kids in the shadows before, and I don't believe I'm going to do so now. I'll watch the product on the field and enjoy of it what I can because it's entertainment.

That's quite a statement on so many levels...

 

[PSU12046]

Guess what? Things change, folks. I think the incredibly creative "I'm too virtuous to consider supporting NIL funds for Penn State--and giving extra money to recruits or players used to be illegal so I can't possibly support it now when it's legal" is--interesting. A lot of our fans apparently don't understand the new NIL situation, and some of us were hoping to provide some info and perspective. Those of you taking your "moral high ground" stand are gonna do what you're gonna do.

As for the last poster, personally passing cash to kids is still illegal, and there's nothing "in the shadows" about NIL arrangements. Sorry.

Virtuous? Moral high ground? Wow! How about . . . done with donating now. I have NEVER paid a student athlete ever. Sorry.

 

[DavidM]

Virtuous? Moral high ground? Wow! How about . . . done with donating now. I have NEVER paid a student athlete ever. Sorry.

Sorry. YOU would not be paying anybody anything--the NIL group is responsible for setting up income opportunities for athletes. However, if you're done with donating, period, how can anybody complain about that? We should only do what we're willing and able to do.

 

[PSU12046]

Sorry. YOU would not be paying anybody anything--the NIL group is responsible for setting up income opportunities for athletes. However, if you're done with donating, period, how can anybody complain about that? We should only do what we're willing and able to do.

What do you mean by "and giving extra money to recruits or players used to be illegal so I can't possibly support it now when it's legal"?
$500 handshakes?

 

[Nitt1300]

This entire thing simply makes it even tougher (impossible, actually) for any but a handful of programs to ever compete for the top spot.

It has become more and more difficult to pretend that college football is anything remotely resembling an honest game. And that being the case, what is the point?

Success through higher spending- who takes pride in that?

 

[BobPSU92]

I simply want student-athletes who are proud to be at Penn State.

Wait. That doesn’t sound right.

 

[DavidM]

I'm really impressed by the number of posters on this thread who work so hard to convince others--and maybe themselves--that they are beacons of virtue by choosing to reject contributing anything to a NIL program for Penn State. Paradigm shifts always leave some folks behind. Donate or don't--I'm done with this.

 

[VaDave4PSU]

I'm really impressed by the number of posters on this thread who work so hard to convince others--and maybe themselves--that they are beacons of virtue by choosing to reject contributing anything to a NIL program for Penn State. Paradigm shifts always leave some folks behind. Donate or don't--I'm done with this.

So it's OK for you to be pro-donate, but it's wrong for anyone to be "I'm not donating?" I get it. You are doing the grassroots canvassing for it.

Nothing to do with virtue. No morals. I'd like to see it successfully done. I can create a LLC and pay any player I want at any time. Take this picture. Show up at this location.

I don't see the point in giving to an entity that has zero track record. Maybe if they go "NIL" us a high level RT, Mike LB, 1 tech DT, and a WR this off season, my mind might be persuaded. Otherwise, it sounds like I'll sit on my hands.

 

[Nitt1300]

I'm really impressed by the number of posters on this thread who work so hard to convince others--and maybe themselves--that they are beacons of virtue by choosing to reject contributing anything to a NIL program for Penn State. Paradigm shifts always leave some folks behind. Donate or don't--I'm done with this.

Jesus- over reaction much?

 

[VaDave4PSU]

Jesus- over reaction much?

Don't go away mad; just go away.

If we are posting on the free board instead of the pay board... for some the light bulbs need some NIL.

 

[DavidM]

Peace, people. Do whatever you want with your money.

 

[Moogy]

I'm really impressed by the number of posters on this thread who work so hard to convince others--and maybe themselves--that they are beacons of virtue by choosing to reject contributing anything to a NIL program for Penn State. Paradigm shifts always leave some folks behind. Donate or don't--I'm done with this.

Except, instead of San Diego, insert DavidM and his groveling compatriots.

 

[PSU12046]

Peace, people. Do whatever you want with your money.

We ARE doing whatever we want with OUR money. Thanks for the advice tho!!

 

[Nitt1300]

 

[baltimorened]

Ok, and until that happens, Penn State athletics needs the help of alums and fans to stay competitive. As Stephen Light suggested above, the answer isn't complicated. As somebody once said, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

now I know this is highly simplistic...but as fans we've been invited to contribute to football facilities upgrades, student athlete scholarships and now NIL. Count on a call for even more donations if the athletic department ever decides to upgrade the stadium. So, if we are paying players through NIL, does it make any sense to continue to funnel money into all these other peripheral feel good efforts.
For me, enough is enough...higher cost for seat "licenses", $10 for a beer, $3.50 for a bottle of water, $40 for parking....the school is going to kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

 

[DavidM]

Except, instead of San Diego, insert DavidM and his groveling compatriots.

I'm really so pleased that I could have a slobbering cretin like you to disagree with.

 

[GrimReaper]

now I know this is highly simplistic...but as fans we've been invited to contribute to football facilities upgrades, student athlete scholarships and now NIL. Count on a call for even more donations if the athletic department ever decides to upgrade the stadium. So, if we are paying players through NIL, does it make any sense to continue to funnel money into all these other peripheral feel good efforts.
For me, enough is enough...higher cost for seat "licenses", $10 for a beer, $3.50 for a bottle of water, $40 for parking....the school is going to kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

Being elite ain't cheap. Just wait til you see what they charge for a panini.

 

[Moogy]

I'm really so pleased that I could have a slobbering cretin like you to disagree with.

True. This slobbering cretin would prefer you were soliciting for academic improvements, not athletics. Everyone knows the cultured elite are the bag men for athletes, and cry like babies when they don’t get their way.

 

[leinbacker]

We ARE

PENN STATE

 

[Midnighter]

Fairly hostile thread friends - David is just wanting to help. Sadly, I don’t think ‘regular’ alumni donations are gonna cut it. Need very deep pockets and influence (like Phil Knight at Oregon) to really pay well. I saw Bryce Young is in a Dr Pepper commercial - how can we help get guys like Allar, Singleton, Carter, Allen etc the same opportunities? Need help from Barkley, Parsons, Sanders, etc. leverage the network - get Nike to spend the money….

 

[BobPSU92]

Fairly hostile thread friends - David is just wanting to help. Sadly, I don’t think ‘regular’ alumni donations are gonna cut it. Need very deep pockets and influence (like Phil Knight at Oregon) to really pay well. I saw Bryce Young is in a Dr Pepper commercial - how can we help get guys like Allar, Singleton, Carter, Allen etc the same opportunities? Need help from Barkley, Parsons, Sanders, etc. leverage the network - get Nike to spend the money….

ira and company got this. Look for Allar to be promoting The Waffle Shop in The Daily Collegian.

 

[GrimReaper]

Fairly hostile thread friends - David is just wanting to help. Sadly, I don’t think ‘regular’ alumni donations are gonna cut it. Need very deep pockets and influence (like Phil Knight at Oregon) to really pay well. I saw Bryce Young is in a Dr Pepper commercial - how can we help get guys like Allar, Singleton, Carter, Allen etc the same opportunities? Need help from Barkley, Parsons, Sanders, etc. leverage the network - get Nike to spend the money….

I thought Kraft had NIL fixed already.

 

[BobPSU92]

I thought Kraft had NIL fixed already.

If it ain’t broke, spend more.

 

[PSUSignore]

Stating the obvious, but seems it needs stating?

The NIL programs are required to just keep pace with competing programs. If you want a football program that fades into obscurity, then don’t contribute, but then don’t complain about the results. Of course, this presumes you have the resources to contribute. I don’t fault anyone who has more urgent personal priorities.

I could be a billionaire and come up with a long list of more urgent personal priorities vs. NIL contributions.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Not me either.

But I then have no right to demand the program reach "elite" status, do I?

Go STATE BEAT DELAWARE

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

I paid STATE 2 out of state tuitions. I’m good.

 

[Stephen Light]

I could be a billionaire and come up with a long list of more urgent personal priorities vs. NIL contributions.

Ok.

 

[ChiTownLionPSU]