OT: A problem with America
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The weird thing is I find myself more and more conservative, but more and more willing to see political compromise to get things done that are rational and reasonable.
The party line votes on everything is terrible for the country. The inability of either side to accept presidential nominees to anything because of party line is insane. Our system of governance was designed on the ability to compromise. That's why the minority get such power in the Senate - it forces both sides to work together for the good of the country.
Unfortunately, nobody is willing to work together anymore on anything.
Yes, we are talking about Presidents in their right minds forming their own policies. Whoever is in charge now are more progressive by light years than those two.
It’s kinda funny that people are always complaining about nothing getting done but keep electing the same people expecting something different.I dont why SC even bothers with elections,they vote for the same people every year.
Which is why we need term limits. The power of incumbency is extremely hard to overcome.
Seems asking our politicians to vote for term limits is like asking foxes to guard the henhouse
Like your points. However, workers rights and protection were nonexistent then. Any administration, R or D, would have, should have addressed the problem. Not so needed now. Also, more antitrust moguls gave millions of acres for preservation. Hard to compare the politics of then with now
It is impossible to compare the politics of one era to any other....period. That is primarily due to the changes that have occurred during the prior eras. The ideas that TR had for the role of government in private business was revolutionary...even considered radical by many of his own party. As was his stance on anti-isolationism and America's involvement in international affairs. Interestingly, Wilson accomplished many of TR's progressive changes from his 1912 campaign as a Progressive ("Bull Moose") Party candidate. It's not needed now because it was addressed then, but it didn't stop those issues from being revolutionary at the time. Same as issues that people consider progressive today.....one day they will be "ho-hum."
Everything is in the hands of the voters. If they are too lazy or too ignorant to effect change, it is ultimately their fault.
A moderate third party that could get even 15% of the reps in the House and Senate could make a vast difference. And it would be a relief to GOPers and dims that actually want to compromise, but are afraid to because of their party's leadership and more radical voters.
A moderate third party that could get even 15% of the reps in the House and Senate could make a vast difference. And it would be a relief to GOPers and dims that actually want to compromise, but are afraid to because of their party's leadership and more radical voters.
I agree with a lot of what you say. I must add that law and order became a very big issue in the 1960s and 1970s with the surge in urban riots involving casualties, looting and arson. I don't think the concern ever abated completely, though it might have subsided for awhile. The past few years have brought it back.
No party with designs on the Presidency wants a third party whose ideology resembles its own.
Yeah....that's the most recent era that I typically allude to when I hear someone comment "America is being destroyed" or "coming to an end." It's like "Hey, We've been here before,,,and at lot worse....and survived. Calm the @@@@ down,"
IMO if states and school boards would allow schools to teach actual US history instead of the syrupy sweet sacchirine version that school boards like, people would be a lot more rational and less hysterical when these times in history occur.
Who wants Washington to get more done?
Not me. They don't do much of anything right now.
A moderate party would have some resemblance to each party and some differences and should be unconcerned with the GOP or dims opinions of its existence.
We are better off when the two parties cxl each other out and nothing gets passed.
But the executive order thing is a killer!
When did passing a budget become a thing of the past? No accountability!
Could be; could be not. People who start parties aren't generally lacking in agendas.
I minored in US History, and I find it shocking/amusing at how many people completely buy into the "saccharine" version of this country's history.
Don't misunderstand my comments, I decided to minor in US History for reasons I found the subject matter both fascinating and absorbing. With that said, most individuals want to view our history through the prism of their their party affiliations and/or political ideologies, and not on actual historical events.
Wasn't an idea. Used to be many parties. Just the way things shook out.
Our two party system is built to keep existing. I don't know how a viable 3rd party can get a seat at the table. We've had a handful of independent presidential candidates in my life time that got noticed and got votes, but could never mount a challenge to overcome the party machines.
Kudos to the posters who have kept this thread civil.
Kudos to the posters who have kept this thread civil.
I agree with most of what you said, but it's not about a big money payout, at least for any individual, it's about power and control. They're fighting for the majority. Bigger question is, why do you think people like George Soros spend so much money on elections? When these people accept that money they are bound to support abortion (late term at that), open borders, etc. So they're bought before they get there, they have little influence, they're now just pawns in the party game.
They all come out richer. Almost all bought and paid for all the way to the top. The money and power allows them to peddle influence.
When our founding fathers were writing up the US, that 373 million was about 27.50.Yeah, this is a post related to politics, but it's not political and is completely non-partisan in nature. This forum is the extent of my online presence, so I have no other place to vent about things to total strangers who don't care what I think.
I was reading about the recent elections and the money spent. In the heated PA senate race, a combined $373 million was spent. The top 5 races combined cost over $1 billion. Both parties are to blame, of course, so this is a non-partisan gripe.
I'm not an expert on American history, but I'm fairly certain our founding fathers never envisioned that a single senate seat would generate $373 million in spending. It's just staggering money.
A staggering amount of money has been spent on top Senate races in 2022 | CNN Politics
The five most expensive Senate races of 2022 have seen nearly $1.3 billion in spending across the primary and general elections, according to OpenSecrets, a staggering sum that speaks to the massive amounts of money flooding the political system.www.cnn.com
I think Google and Amazon could use some antitrust legislation about now, but I think after Mama Bell was broken up they put all that legislation in the vault at the Smithsonian.
When I looked at the returns for all the candidates in California, every single incumbent (including judicial appointees) won their elections, including those 2 or 3 where a different Democrat was running against the incumbent Democrat. The majority of voters here have no complaints about anything, apparently.
Yep. The "winner take all" system ensured it. Unlike in more open democracies where if a party wins 20% of the vote, it gets 20% of the seats.
Yeah, we could have had a parliamentary style gov, heck there some who wanted to make Washington a king. Can you imagine throwing off a king just to replace him with another one?