OT: Chiefs favorable penalty

[LTFox14]

There has been a lot of national discussion on the sports talk circuit in regard to the Chiefs and the favorable penalties that have enjoyed. We all realize it is not easy beating a good team when you have to overcome a penalty disparity as well(Michigan,Ohio state) since we joined the Big Ten. But here are the numbers over the last 11 playoff games for the Chiefs.
Penalties against the Chiefs 36 Penalties against the other team 66
Penalty yards 319 541
Roughing the passer penalties 7 1
Unnecessary Roughing 4 1
Pass Interference 11 2
On top of that their left tackle jumps the snap every passing play and only called here and there.
Hard to beat a good team with those momentum calls against you. I am glad it is getting national attention.

 

[Bison13]

I think I saw a stat where Mahomes has had 17 Interceptions overturned by penalty in his career, 8 due to offsides. I get that like Rodgers and others he tries a deep ball when he knows its a free play but even so, the other 9 that aren't offsides would still lead.

 

[LionJim]

There has been a lot of national discussion on the sports talk circuit in regard to the Chiefs and the favorable penalties that have enjoyed. We all realize it is not easy beating a good team when you have to overcome a penalty disparity as well(Michigan,Ohio state) since we joined the Big Ten. But here are the numbers over the last 11 playoff games for the Chiefs.
Penalties against the Chiefs 36 Penalties against the other team 66
Penalty yards 319 541
Roughing the passer penalties 7 1
Unnecessary Roughing 4 1
Pass Interference 11 2
On top of that their left tackle jumps the snap every passing play and only called here and there.
Hard to beat a good team with those momentum calls against you. I am glad it is getting national attention.

The fumble on the opening kickoff in Green Bay-Philadelphia should have been overturned by penalty. It was a ridiculous no-call. After the game the NFL fined the Eagle responsible. Also, the WFT interception return for a TD against Detroit, I thought I saw a pretty flagrant helmet to Goff’s face mask. It’s not just Mahomes.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Additional coaches with fewest penalties:
Belichick
McVay (Super Bowl season)
I’m not a numbers guy, what should we make of this?

 

[s1uggo72]

The fumble on the opening kickoff in Green Bay-Philadelphia should have been overturned by penalty. It was a ridiculous no-call. After the game the NFL fined the Eagle responsible. Also, the WFT interception return for a TD against Detroit, I thought I saw a pretty flagrant helmet to Goff’s face mask. It’s not just Mahomes.

what would have been the call in the Eagles game on the kick off?

 

[Grant Green]

what would have been the call in the Eagles game on the kick off?

It should have been a GB recovery. It was pretty clear.
I thought they said that review booth didn't have access to the camera angle that looked directly down on the play, which was the best angle.

 

[LionJim]

what would have been the call in the Eagles game on the kick off?

Personal foul on Eagles, no fumble, Green Bay ball. The hit caused the fumble. And as Grant said, you could see the Packer with the ball, as plain as the nose on my face.

 

[s1uggo72]

It should have been a GB recovery. It was pretty clear.
I thought they said that review booth didn't have access to the camera angle that looked directly down on the play, which was the best angle.

@LionJim said there was a penalty, so I wondered what it is. The recovery? Clear Philadelphia recovery, the returner never possessed the ball.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Sour grapes are long

 

[LionJim]

Penalty yards this season: Philadelphia 793, KC 829, Buffalo 833, WFT 960.

 

[Grant Green]

@LionJim said there was a penalty, so I wondered what it is. The recovery? Clear Philadelphia recovery, the returner never possessed the ball.

There very well could have been a helmet to helmet call on the Eagles. The ball carrier did also lower his helmet, so I'm not sure if it's as clear cut as LJ thinks, but I wouldn't argue if it had been called.

The recovery was pretty clear.

 

[LionJim]

There very well could have been a helmet to helmet call on the Eagles. The ball carrier did also lower his helmet, so I'm not sure if it's as clear cut as LJ thinks, but I wouldn't argue if it had been called.

The recovery was pretty clear.
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The Eagles player who made the hit was fined after the game.

Eagles player fined for helmet-to-helmet hit on Packers’ opening kickoff

The NFL’s officiating is a joke

www.acmepackingcompany.com

 

[s1uggo72]

The Eagles player who made the hit was fined after the game.

so what's the penalty ?

 

[LionJim]

so what's the penalty ?

There was no penalty called at the time. The NFL realized after the game that there should been a flag, fined the guy.

 

[s1uggo72]

There very well could have been a helmet to helmet call on the Eagles. The ball carrier did also lower his helmet, so I'm not sure if it's as clear cut as LJ thinks, but I wouldn't argue if it had been called.

The recovery was pretty clear.
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there is no helmet to helmet in the NFL. He puts his helmet right on the ball, I thought as Tony did, it was text book, hard to tell from a still the ball is still moving

 

[s1uggo72]

There was no penalty called at the time. The NFL realized after the game that there should been a flag, fined the guy.

no no no. what should have been the ball? Too hard a hit? because you get fined in the NFL does not mean you committed a penalty.

 

[LionJim]

no no no. what should have been the ball? Too hard a hit? because you get fined in the NFL does not mean you committed a penalty.

Unnecessary roughness. Same thing with the WFT hit on Goff.

 

[LB99]

Steelers-Eagles game. The fight in the endzone. Slay and Mitchell received no flags for throwing punches, yet they were fined twice as much as the Steelers involved, who were flagged. What does that tell you? The league thought there should have been penalties called. There was an official there watching the whole thing and doubled down on the Steelers flags.

A long list of NFL fines from Eagles-Steelers game

The NFL handed out seven different fines from the Eagles-Steelers game last week.

www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com

 

[LB99]

To be quite clear though, the unnecessary roughness penalties against Mahomes were BS.

 

[LionJim]

To be quite clear though, the unnecessary roughness penalties against Mahomes were BS.

My impression also.

 

[Grant Green]

there is no helmet to helmet in the NFL. He puts his helmet right on the ball, I thought as Tony did, it was text book, hard to tell from a still the ball is still moving

Damn, I need to get me some of those Green glasses you have.

This ain't the ball.

 

[LB99]

I have often wondered, are the refs held accountable in any way? Do they get fined for poor performances? Clearly, some calls/no calls affect the outcome of the game, so they have to bear some culpability. There was pass interference play a few years ago in a Saints playoff game that affected the outcome of the game. The following year, the rules changed so that coaches could challenge pass interference, but were the refs in the game reprimanded in any way?

 

[Erial_Lion]

I have often wondered, are the refs held accountable in any way? Do they get fined for poor performances? Clearly, some calls/no calls affect the outcome of the game, so they have to bear some culpability. There was pass interference play a few years ago in a Saints playoff game that affected the outcome of the game. The following year, the rules changed so that coaches could challenge pass interference, but were the refs in the game reprimanded in any way?

I'd be shocked if they got "fined", but they are certainly held accountable via playoff assignments, and/or firings and suspensions in extreme cases.

 

[Erial_Lion]

there is no helmet to helmet in the NFL. He puts his helmet right on the ball, I thought as Tony did, it was text book, hard to tell from a still the ball is still moving

What is "there is no helmet to helmet in the NFL" supposed mean? Are you trying to imply that it isn't a penalty?

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Steelers-Eagles game. The fight in the endzone. Slay and Mitchell received no flags for throwing punches, yet they were fined twice as much as the Steelers involved, who were flagged. What does that tell you? The league thought there should have been penalties called. There was an official there watching the whole thing and doubled down on the Steelers flags.

A long list of NFL fines from Eagles-Steelers game

The NFL handed out seven different fines from the Eagles-Steelers game last week.

www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com

Steelers lost to the birds, mostly out physicalled

 

[NittPicker]

As others have written, almost every play in the NFL has "something" which could be called a penalty if the officials wanted to call it. A slight jersey tug. Hand fighting on a pass play. A bump after the whistle. O lineman moving a split second before the ball is snapped, etc. It's for and against all teams at most stages of the game. But the major complaint of most fans is that during a critical part of a game involving KC, when one of those "somethings" is called, the vast majority of the time it's called in favor of the Chiefs. I don't believe the refs are consciously doing it but it happens.

 

[Erial_Lion]

But the major complaint of most fans is that during a critical part of a game involving KC, when one of those "somethings" is called, the vast majority of the time it's called in favor of the Chiefs. I don't believe the refs are consciously doing it but it happens.

The Athletic found that...

NFL officials have assessed 47 penalties against the Chiefs in the fourth quarters and overtimes of one-score games over the past two seasons, including playoffs. Those same officials have assessed 48 penalties against the Chiefs’ opponents in those same critical situations. The yardage totals are similarly close: 307 yards against the Chiefs, compared to 340 yards against their opponents. (Just 13 months ago, the Chiefs were the ones complaining about officiating after a big game.)

 

[NittPicker]

The Athletic found that...

NFL officials have assessed 47 penalties against the Chiefs in the fourth quarters and overtimes of one-score games over the past two seasons, including playoffs. Those same officials have assessed 48 penalties against the Chiefs’ opponents in those same critical situations. The yardage totals are similarly close: 307 yards against the Chiefs, compared to 340 yards against their opponents. (Just 13 months ago, the Chiefs were the ones complaining about officiating after a big game.)

I'd like to see a further breakdown.

• Chiefs leading vs. Chiefs trailing and needing a score to win combined with......
• Penalties by each offense vs. penalties by each defense in those situations
• The above information only in the last five minutes of the fourth quarter of a one score game or in OT

The last five or so minutes of a close game is where it's won or lost. Maybe I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist but more often than not it seems the Chiefs get a gift call when they need it most as a close game is nearing the finish.

 

[Keyser Soze 16802]

Mahones' flopping should get called as unsportsmanlike conduct

Coaches should be able to use their challenges to challenge any play, including a penalty or a non-penalty

Those darn kids should get off my lawn

 

[s1uggo72]

Unnecessary roughness. Same thing with the WFT hit on Goff.

Nope. Goff is a QB they get extra protection right or wrong

 

[s1uggo72]

I have often wondered, are the refs held accountable in any way? Do they get fined for poor performances? Clearly, some calls/no calls affect the outcome of the game, so they have to bear some culpability. There was pass interference play a few years ago in a Saints playoff game that affected the outcome of the game. The following year, the rules changed so that coaches could challenge pass interference, but were the refs in the game reprimanded in any way?

They lose their jobs

 

[s1uggo72]

What is "there is no helmet to helmet in the NFL" supposed mean? Are you trying to imply that it isn't a penalty?

Correct there is no penalty called ‘helmet to helmet’ in the NFL as there is in college

 

[Connorpozlee]

There has been a lot of national discussion on the sports talk circuit in regard to the Chiefs and the favorable penalties that have enjoyed. We all realize it is not easy beating a good team when you have to overcome a penalty disparity as well(Michigan,Ohio state) since we joined the Big Ten. But here are the numbers over the last 11 playoff games for the Chiefs.
Penalties against the Chiefs 36 Penalties against the other team 66
Penalty yards 319 541
Roughing the passer penalties 7 1
Unnecessary Roughing 4 1
Pass Interference 11 2
On top of that their left tackle jumps the snap every passing play and only called here and there.
Hard to beat a good team with those momentum calls against you. I am glad it is getting national attention.

The tackles jumping before the snap is- and has been- out of control. You get these idiot ref experts on the broadcasts that justify it, which is crazy.

 

[CaseStudy]

The postseason stats are insane... F. those guys.

7 roughing the passer on opponents... 1 on KC
4 unnecessary roughness on opponents... 1 on KC
11 DPI or defensive holding on opponents... 2 on KC
0 games the Chiefs had more penalties
10 games opponents had more penalties
Penalties: 66 opponents / 33 KC
Penalty yards: 541 opponents / 319 KC
The average number of roughing the passer penalties for active quarterbacks in the postseason is 0.12 per game. Mahomes career postseason average is 0.412 per game. So the Chiefs are getting 3.5 times more QB roughing calls on average in the playoffs.

 

[Grant Green]

Correct there is no penalty called ‘helmet to helmet’ in the NFL as there is in college

Semantics. You know what we are talking about. Call the rule whatever you want...

USE OF THE HELMET

It is a foul if a player:

1. lowers his head and makes forcible contact with his helmet against an opponent; or
2. uses any part of his helmet or facemask to butt or make forcible contact to an opponent’s head or neck

These provisions do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or the helmet in the course of a conventional tackle or block on an opponent.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Correct there is no penalty called ‘helmet to helmet’ in the NFL as there is in college

There isn’t one in college either…in the NCAA, it falls under Targeting. In the NFL, it’s Unnecessary Roughness.

 

[LionJim]

Nope. Goff is a QB they get extra protection right or wrong

That hit on Goff was after the interception. That extra protection goes away once the ball was intercepted.

 

[s1uggo72]

That hit on Goff was after the interception. That extra protection goes away once the ball was intercepted.

All true so it was a good hit no penalty there

 

[LionJim]

All true so it was a good hit no penalty there

It was a helmet to the face mask. It was 100% a penalty, unnecessary roughness. I’ve seen a million hits less flagrant than that get called.

 

[Erial_Lion]

That hit on Goff was after the interception. That extra protection goes away once the ball was intercepted.

Believe it or not, a QB is defenseless after a turnover.