OT: Ford Lightning Ordering Open

[PooPopsBaldHead]

It's ironic I started that Silverado Avalanche EV thread earlier Just got an email saying Ford is opening up ordering for the Lightning, but I'm not in the first group.

But you can go to the build your own function and build it out. 4 options:

Pro (Work truck) $40k
XLT $52K
Lariat $67K
Platinum $90k

The pro is only available with the standard battery (230 miles of range.) The Platinum only has the extended range battery (300 miles.) The Lariat and XLT offer both.

So I go to build mine and I am an XLT guy, don't care for leather or sunroofs, but I do like the extended range. Guess how much the battery upgrade is..

$20k for 70 17ing miles. After delivery fees and floor mats you are at $75k for an XLT that you can drive 300 miles in optimal conditions.

17 those clowns. 17 Chevy for that Avalanche reboot ********. Elon Musk and TSLA stock gains have mind17ed the clowns at Ford and GM. Ram is next to announce their EV which won't be ready for primetime either..

I live in a place where gas is $3.85 a gallon and electricity is only $.07/kwh. An EV is intriguing to me. I was considering trading in my wife's car for the Lightning and keeping my f250 to tow and for long trips. 90% of our miles are around town or down to the city 100 miles away... But screw them. $20k extra for the battery is a non-starter. 17 those idiots.

Toyota is going to rule the world of auto in a few years. They don't give a 17 about trends. Just make good cars and trucks. They seriously need to make a 3/4 ton for those of us who tow.

Here's the link if you want to see for yourself. 17 Ford and GM. You are dealing with stupid or ugly with these two.

https://shop.ford.com/configure/f150-lightning/model/customize/pro

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

Will these trucks be rechargeable at TSLA supercharging stations?

nm

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

It's ironic I started that Silverado Avalanche EV thread earlier Just got an email saying Ford is opening up ordering for the Lightning, but I'm not in the first group.

But you can go to the build your own function and build it out. 4 options:

Pro (Work truck) $40k
XLT $52K
Lariat $67K
Platinum $90k

The pro is only available with the standard battery (230 miles of range.) The Platinum only has the extended range battery (300 miles.) The Lariat and XLT offer both.

So I go to build mine and I am an XLT guy, don't care for leather or sunroofs, but I do like the extended range. Guess how much the battery upgrade is..

$20k for 70 17ing miles. After delivery fees and floor mats you are at $75k for an XLT that you can drive 300 miles in optimal conditions.

17 those clowns. 17 Chevy for that Avalanche reboot ********. Elon Musk and TSLA stock gains have mind17ed the clowns at Ford and GM. Ram is next to announce their EV which won't be ready for primetime either..

I live in a place where gas is $3.85 a gallon and electricity is only $.07/kwh. An EV is intriguing to me. I was considering trading in my wife's car for the Lightning and keeping my f250 to tow and for long trips. 90% of our miles are around town or down to the city 100 miles away... But screw them. $20k extra for the battery is a non-starter. 17 those idiots.

Toyota is going to rule the world of auto in a few years. They don't give a 17 about trends. Just make good cars and trucks. They seriously need to make a 3/4 ton for those of us who tow.

Here's the link if you want to see for yourself. 17 Ford and GM. You are dealing with stupid or ugly with these two.

https://shop.ford.com/configure/f150-lightning/model/customize/pro

Colder weather and mountainous driving would probably put that range well below 200 miles in your case. I drive a 2012 Tundra with 175k on it, I love that truck. My youngest turns 16 in Nov and has been promised that truck, it will be a sad day.

 

[patdog]

Also, if you're carrying a load. Which is kind of what a truck is supposed to be for. Electric cars make a lot of sense in some cases, but if you're driving an electric truck, you should probably just buy a car.

 

[BigDawg0074]

I would like to get an EV sedan for driving to work and putting around town. I was really disappointed to see Ford put the Mustang name on a damn crossover hatchback. I can’t figure out why they wouldn’t make a nice coup with the sportiness you would expect from a Mustang. I haven’t found anything decent looking in the $40K range for a sedan. I have seen some at that price or lower but they look like clown cars.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

How about the Tesla bait and switch?

Over a million preorders for the Cybertruck. I’m on of them. Ordered the top of the line tri-motor with 500 mile range, $70k. I knew it would likely be 2 plus years away, covid has made that longer, no big deal. But prices have gone through the roof since covid, and $70k looks like a steal. What does Elon do? He now says the first one they will produce is a quad motor. That wasn’t even an option to preorder, so he has no obligation to fill those preorders for the lower priced trucks. My guess is he will never make those original preordered models, thus he can charge new higher prices for the cyber trucks they do produce.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

Count me in as not seeing the allure of it. Ford has the powerboost hybrid truck available right now 24 combined mpg from a truck. Plus it has more power and more torque than the regular trucks.

There are going to be a bunch of cancellations on the lightning when the time to put the money on the table. I mean…almost 100k for the dressed out version you cannot travel in right now without planning? Yikes.

biggest mistake by Ford in 2022? They are not offering the hybrid in the updated Expedition. I’d be solid on that purchase.

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

Buy a newer XLT with eco boost engine and 13,000 gallons of petrol.

It's ironic I started that Silverado Avalanche EV thread earlier Just got an email saying Ford is opening up ordering for the Lightning, but I'm not in the first group.

But you can go to the build your own function and build it out. 4 options:

Pro (Work truck) $40k
XLT $52K
Lariat $67K
Platinum $90k

The pro is only available with the standard battery (230 miles of range.) The Platinum only has the extended range battery (300 miles.) The Lariat and XLT offer both.

So I go to build mine and I am an XLT guy, don't care for leather or sunroofs, but I do like the extended range. Guess how much the battery upgrade is..

$20k for 70 17ing miles. After delivery fees and floor mats you are at $75k for an XLT that you can drive 300 miles in optimal conditions.

17 those clowns. 17 Chevy for that Avalanche reboot ********. Elon Musk and TSLA stock gains have mind17ed the clowns at Ford and GM. Ram is next to announce their EV which won't be ready for primetime either..

I live in a place where gas is $3.85 a gallon and electricity is only $.07/kwh. An EV is intriguing to me. I was considering trading in my wife's car for the Lightning and keeping my f250 to tow and for long trips. 90% of our miles are around town or down to the city 100 miles away... But screw them. $20k extra for the battery is a non-starter. 17 those idiots.

Toyota is going to rule the world of auto in a few years. They don't give a 17 about trends. Just make good cars and trucks. They seriously need to make a 3/4 ton for those of us who tow.

Here's the link if you want to see for yourself. 17 Ford and GM. You are dealing with stupid or ugly with these two.

https://shop.ford.com/configure/f150-lightning/model/customize/pro

 

[FreeDawg]

In my experience, never buy gen 1 of anything. An electric truck is very intriguing to me but they got to figure it out first.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

I personally believe EV’s are currently the biggest scam in our country right now. I did quite a bit of research on them when considering an EV for short commutes about 2-1/2 years ago.

I could type about 10 paragraphs about what I found: a whole lot of issues absolutely no one seemed to be talking about. The fact that the government is pushing them so hard is also a red flag to me.

Chew on this: the ruling class of our government enjoys a perpetual state of unbridled insider trading. Mountains of money are being made on this scam and not a damned one of them will do an hour in prison for it. Their fund manager will be that fall guy, though. After they cash out and leave the casino rich as hell, that is.

Speaking of red flags, EV’s are unequivocally impossible without China. The lithium problem (availability, processing, refining, toxic waste, and the recycling hurdles) made the case for me to not consider an EV at this time. The EPA and others in this country won’t allow construction of desalination plants, new power plants or oil refineries, much less lithium refinement plants.

 

[PooPopsBaldHead]

That's kinda the deal. The bait and switch on the pricing for the extra 70 miles of range is a deal breaker. I put the reservation in a while back when we lived in the city so I was honestly probably not going to buy one now anyway, but I was trying to figure out how to make it work.

I was most likely going to just take a chance to see if I could flip the sucker for a little profit since I was early and demand was high. I just don't think anyone wants the standard range. 75k for a 1/2 ton pickup you can drive about 195 miles on a cold winter day and won't tow with is going to be a hard sell.

I'm so pissed off because of the battery upgrade price. The standard battery is 98 kwh. The extended range is 131kwh. EV industry is currently charging around $150 per kWh for the upgraded batteries. That would be a $5k upgrade... $20 k is crap. $606 per KWH 4X what it should be.


ETA looks like I am not the only one caught off guard.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-extended-range-battery-configurator/

 

[msudawg12]

nm

No. Tesla is doing the apple model with their adapters.

 

[JML105]

I wrote off the big three years ago, went Toyota and haven't looked back. I would buy a smaller camper, horse trailer, piece of equipment or whatever it is you haul before buying a big three 3/4 ton or 1 ton over a Tundra.

As far as EV's go. To me they are akin to cell phones because of the rapid changing technology leading to essentially no resell value. Of course with cell phones you are only dealing with hundreds of dollars, which it could be argued that you get your money's worth from a couple years use. With an EV you spend 30+ thousand dollars and it's worth basically nothing after 5 years or so. Why don't people factor that in to the ROI? I truly don't see EV's as ever being the answer, but I also think the problem that they're trying to answer is a frivolous one. The internal combustion engine is a marvel in technology that is, and will continue to be, the most efficient mode of transportation. If they sincerely want to lower oil consumption, there would be more investment placed into making mass transit more efficient and attractive in metropolitan areas and cross country travel.

 

[gwadSIG]

I look forward to all the dead battery trash mountains.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

My opinion is that EV vehicles, but especially trucks, will cause used ICE vehicles of the same class to retain their value over the years. I don't plan on making the switch in my lifetime. Especially with the advent of ULEV standards.

 

[aTotal360]

Imagine being stuck on I95 with an EV.

 

[jb1020]

I dont think this is accurate at all

How many miles do you think the average truck driving contractor on the average day? It has to be less than 200. Sure there are exceptions, but 95% of the time these guys are just burning up the local roads. You charge at home over night and you're fine every day. The charging network is irrelevant for these guys.

No reason most UPS/Fedex or even postal workers don't move to EV's. Makes sense on So many levels.

I have an EV and my monthly savings is usually $250-300, thats net after factoring in my electricity costs. These guys that drive tundras would be set to save $500+ per month, if not double that.

 

[Dog316]

It's ironic I started that Silverado Avalanche EV thread earlier Just got an email saying Ford is opening up ordering for the Lightning, but I'm not in the first group.

But you can go to the build your own function and build it out. 4 options:

Pro (Work truck) $40k
XLT $52K
Lariat $67K
Platinum $90k

The pro is only available with the standard battery (230 miles of range.) The Platinum only has the extended range battery (300 miles.) The Lariat and XLT offer both.

So I go to build mine and I am an XLT guy, don't care for leather or sunroofs, but I do like the extended range. Guess how much the battery upgrade is..

$20k for 70 17ing miles. After delivery fees and floor mats you are at $75k for an XLT that you can drive 300 miles in optimal conditions.

17 those clowns. 17 Chevy for that Avalanche reboot ********. Elon Musk and TSLA stock gains have mind17ed the clowns at Ford and GM. Ram is next to announce their EV which won't be ready for primetime either..

I live in a place where gas is $3.85 a gallon and electricity is only $.07/kwh. An EV is intriguing to me. I was considering trading in my wife's car for the Lightning and keeping my f250 to tow and for long trips. 90% of our miles are around town or down to the city 100 miles away... But screw them. $20k extra for the battery is a non-starter. 17 those idiots.

Toyota is going to rule the world of auto in a few years. They don't give a 17 about trends. Just make good cars and trucks. They seriously need to make a 3/4 ton for those of us who tow.

Here's the link if you want to see for yourself. 17 Ford and GM. You are dealing with stupid or ugly with these two.

https://shop.ford.com/configure/f150-lightning/model/customize/pro

One thing I learned from your post is you are big on “17”!

 

[ckDOG]

I can't believe they are marketing it for towing

They have a max towing option with a pic of an airstream. Real world towing on that is going to be 100 miles in ideal conditions. Then what? Unhitch and find a supercharger? Yeah you can do it but at great inconvenience.

EVs are great for around town commuting, but I'm afraid (without significant tech improvement) EV trucks are going to be avoided once folks realize how limited they are behaving like a truck. Feels like a future bust based on overpromise and underdeliver.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Interesting that Ford is a Rivian backer too. Wonder what the play is there?

 

[PooPopsBaldHead]

One thing I learned from your post is you are big on “17”!

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[Dawgbite]

I was originally all in on the electric stuff. I bought an electric golf/ neighborhood cart, an electric Polaris Ranger, electric weed eater, and electric chainsaw. The Ranger is long gone, just bought a gas cart so the electric cart will soon be for sale, the weed eater and chain saw are both in my shop unusable because the batteries won’t hold a charge long enough to do anything. Replacement batteries are twice what a quality gas powered replacement costs. Battery technology just isn’t advanced enough yet and what are we going to do with all these old batteries. I’m even more skeptical of electric automobiles than I was ten years ago.

 

[ababyatemydingo]

They have a max towing option with a pic of an airstream. Real world towing on that is going to be 100 miles in ideal conditions. Then what? Unhitch and find a supercharger? Yeah you can do it but at great inconvenience.

EVs are great for around town commuting, but I'm afraid (without significant tech improvement) EV trucks are going to be avoided once folks realize how limited they are behaving like a truck. Feels like a future bust based on overpromise and underdeliver.

Electric motors have an incredible amount of torque for towing, so yes, they're great for towing heavy loads (think diesel electric locomotives). But, the range decreases tremendously with loads. So, not really useful. Until some revolutionary battery technology comes along, EV limitations will outweigh the advantages. Saw where a dude last week blew up his Tesla, rather than pay $20 K for a new set of batteries. His original batteries wouldn't hold much of a charge anymore, after five years of use.

 

[Mobile Bay]

I was talking about this with a buddy yesterday. At about 10 years, you have to replace a 10-20 thousand dollar battery. Who the hell puts 10-20 thousand dollars into a 10 year old car? Basically nobody. Yet without the battery replacement, the car is only good for scrap. So I can't help but wonder if the car companies are not pushing them because they know it will be the end of the used car market as we know it.

 

[ckDOG]

Right. Capable, not practical.

Electric motors have an incredible amount of torque for towing, so yes, they're great for towing heavy loads (think diesel electric locomotives). But, the range decreases tremendously with loads. So, not really useful. Until some revolutionary battery technology comes along, EV limitations will outweigh the advantages. Saw where a dude last week blew up his Tesla, rather than pay $20 K for a new set of batteries. His original batteries wouldn't hold much of a charge anymore, after five years of use.

I'm sure the Lightning could get 100 tons moving, but crap out at 100 yards. An F150 ecoboost has probably around a 26 gallon tank. 8-9 mpg towing something like an airstream shown in their pics and you are looking at well over 200 miles a tank. Pull in, fuel up, off you go. Lightning gets you 100 down the road to a charger that may or may not even fit in to your travel plan. You park. Unhitch. Charge for half an hour. Repeat. They shouldn't even attempt to market that. Marketing for pulling a smaller utility trailer of stuff around town for chores and lighter duty stuff? That's probably fair.

 

[kired]

My opinion is that EV vehicles, but especially trucks, will cause used ICE vehicles of the same class to retain their value over the years. I don't plan on making the switch in my lifetime. Especially with the advent of ULEV standards.

It will be interesting how this all unfolds over the next 10-15 years. As more & more EVs are sold, how is it going to affect things like service departments, parts stores, gas stations? Infrastructure for more charging stations? I've got to think as the industry shifts to EVs there is going to be less support for ICE vehicles and it will become more & more of a headache to maintain one.

I'm kinda interested in the gas station deal. The local Shell station on the corner can't just put in 20 chargers, and you can't have each customer sitting there 30-45 minutes charging their car. But they are going to be losing business as people make the switch. So what happens? They can only survive so much on the convenience store items... but that portion of the business is already having to compete more with dollar generals popping up on every corner.

And who's going to need a 10 minute oil change in 15 years?

What's going to happen to parts stores when no one's coming in to buy a belt or radiator hose? I know that's a long way off, but the future of everything involved with automobiles will be much different than it is today.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

The cost is a single separate issue; one that Socks used to start this thread. The “institutions” who tout EV’s as a long term positive ROI are completely idiotic. They must be using a single person living in NYC or San Francisco as the cost model comparison.

I think EVs as of now are a trendy status symbol.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

I believe that particular car had been

Saw where a dude last week blew up his Tesla, rather than pay $20 K for a new set of batteries. His original batteries wouldn't hold much of a charge anymore, after five years of use.

Tweaked by someone not named Tesla, this the problems and why Tesla wouldn’t support it.

 

[patdog]

biggest mistake by Ford in 2022? They are not offering the hybrid in the updated Expedition. I’d be solid on that purchase.

The cynic in me thinks the reason we have very few good hybrid options is they know everyone would want the hybrid & not the full electric. Cause a plug in hybrid is pretty much a no brainer if it’s a good car. You get most of the benefits of full electric but much more flexible for trips.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

My Echo electric chainsaw is still going strong after about 4 years.

 

[PooPopsBaldHead]

You're not wrong. Here's the 3 EV scenarios for me.

You live in a house in the city and do all your driving there. You have a garage. You never tow. Full electric works great.

You live in an apartment/condo in the city and park in a parking garage, lot, or in the street. You need a hybrid. Full electric or plugin is useless.

Everyone else would benefit from a plug in hybrid. It would be ideal for me. 30-40 mile EV range would allow us to run around town on cheap electricity and only use gas for long hauls.

I want a fairly creature comforted plug in hybrid Toyota Crew Cab 4wd with 2500lbs of payload capacity, onboard generator up to 9kw, a 36 gallon tank, and 6 cupholders up front. That truck outsells all other brands combined if they make it.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

The cynic in me thinks the reason we have very few good hybrid options is they know everyone would want the hybrid & not the full electric. Cause a plug in hybrid is pretty much a no brainer if it’s a good car. You get most of the benefits of full electric but much more flexible for trips.

Exactly.

And think of the eco car at MSU. Wasn’t it diesel electric hybrid? Maybe gas electric. THAT would make a hell of a truck. Could you imagine an F250 or 2500 Silverado towing a fifth wheel and still getting 20’s or even 30’s MPG? I cannot for the life of me figure out why something like that is not on the drawing board. Hell, it’s not like the technology or engineering isn’t there yet.. the system has been in locomotives for many years.

need an engine for it? Check. They have em. Need a motor for it? Check. They are in the electric trucks. Get the generator figured out and make bank.

 

[fishwater99]

Toyota makes great 4x4 's.
I have had a 4Runner and currently own a Land Cruiser. My next vehicle will be a Tundra.

 

[fishwater99]

In my experience, never buy gen 1 of anything. An electric truck is very intriguing to me but they got to figure it out first.

^^^ This

 

[ckDOG]

I would buy this yesterday

I want a fairly creature comforted plug in hybrid Toyota Crew Cab 4wd with 2500lbs of payload capacity, onboard generator up to 9kw, a 36 gallon tank, and 6 cupholders up front. That truck outsells all other brands combined if they make it.

And judging by how many 3/4 tons I see on the road these days, I am certain they would blow the market up with this. Most of the driving time for these vehicles is still commuting despite needing the utility a minority of the time. Get these folks into 25+ mpg range and they will pay you handsomely.

 

[WrapItDog]

I was talking about this with a buddy yesterday. At about 10 years, you have to replace a 10-20 thousand dollar battery. Who the hell puts 10-20 thousand dollars into a 10 year old car? Basically nobody. Yet without the battery replacement, the car is only good for scrap.

The Prius has been around for 20 years. You can get a rebuilt battery cell for $35 and swap out the cell yourself. Toyota has sold 20 million hybrid vehicles. Nobody is scraping a Toyota due to a bad battery cell. The after market will come up with a cheaper battery replacement option if there is money to be made.

 

[aTotal360]

I'd be rollin' coal from my hybrid.