OT: Great article on the difficulty of mfg here
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I love Genespage. Been about 6-7 years since I was a member. At least they exhibited common sense and reasonable logic as compared to this board. BTW.....how many goats did you hold by the butt cheeks this week. Guess you gotta get it one way or the other.
You could drop a mfg company down in small town MS and have plenty of people willing to work for minimum wage, especially if there's some type incentive for producing. But those $1.50 8 year old Asians.....we can't match it. And those are benefit free too, another thing we can't do here.
What's that supposed to mean? Do you have a solution? Or do you offer only criticisms?You don’t say…
That is going to be very dependent on the small town you are talking about. We have lost manufacturing jobs in Mississippi because they couldn't get anybody to show up sober and work for a starting wage that was 175% of the minimum wage at the time. And that was in a county that allegedly had double digit unemployment. Obviously by the definition the BOL uses it should have been 0%, as anybody willing to work could get a job, but there were plenty of idle, physically able bodies to fill the jobs if those people wanted to work.
Minimum wage would be a stretch but there are a lot of towns in mississippi where people would gladly work for $15 to $20 an hour with decent insurance.
175 percent of Mississippi’s minimum wage
Let’s go with current numbers
$7.25 * 1.75 = $12.6875 per hour
Multiply that times 40 hours a week = $507.50
$507.50 * 52 =$26,390
That’s over $10,000 below the state’s median individual income
That’s a big reason why people move from those counties
Maybe it did then. By now, I’m sure a lot of them moved away or are working someplace that pays them.
If Trump continues down this path, the Dems will take both the Senate and the House in the mid-terms. Trump better hope it isn't by veto proof majorities. They will take all three branches with supermajorities in both houses in the next election. They can't eliminate the Electoral College except by amending the Constitution though. Same for DC, I think. It's not a given that Puerto Rico will vote to be a state. They won't pass amnesty for the illegals. There are too many vested interests on both sides in keeping them here as they are. Trump won't deport anywhere NEAR all of them either, for the same reasons. The filibuster will be gone the next time the Dems control the Senate. They will regret it down the road, as will the GOP. I think we are totally screwed. BOTH PARTIES ARE BROKEN BEYOND FIXING. There will eventually be a third party that will rise and one of the current ones will fold. I may not live to see it, but I bet some of you will.
No, you wouldn't. Ask anyone who does HR in a mfg company in MS.
Hah. If only. Certainly it is shrinking, but unfortunately, like a lot of Mississippi, it still has it's population of "unemployed" that could work those jobs. Definitely not enough people left to fill a major new manufacturing plant or anything, but multiples of what would be needed to fill what was lost in that particular instance. Probably won't be true in another 20 years though and if somebody actually looked at retooling a facility there, the biggest concern would definitely be finding workers, not anything else.
It is cheaper to produce over seas because there is still slave labor and paying less than it cost to live. Apple would rather spend money on suicide nets than improve workers lives. Saying that, I am a total hypocrite as I type this on my IPhone.
The US lower class don't have it great but we aren't going to use slave and child labor. I didn't know this until recently but apparently almost all chocolate is dependent on child labor for cheap cost.
Also it is a two fold problem. US workers don't want to do those hard labor jobs but corporations don't want to cut into profit. There is a reason that Musk and Bezos are pushing towards being the first trillionaires in history.
Nah, that's not really true. And the labor isn't any less skilled than a 8 year old Cambodian kid either.
But agree on what small town.
About 10 years ago, I was a volunteer on an "existing business" committee of the local economic development organization. I probably visited 10 to 15 different company owners/local managers asking them a simple question: "how can we help you." Every single company said "we need people that can pass a drug test and who will consistently come to work." At the time the only dependable workers were from our Hispanic community, and occasional "country" boy or girl that knew how to work because they worked while growing up. The other demographic that made good employees was athletes probably because they learned life on the field or court.
I have a friend who is president of a drug testing company. He can verify that a lot of young men fail drug tests and are irresponsible. I have another friend who is a contractor. He now hires only latino workers. They work, show up on time and don't do drugs. And they know what they're worth and what prevailing wages are. My brother is a supervisor at an oil-field services company. He knows all about workers failing drug tests and hard working Latinos. I'm no fan of open borders, but white people have smaller families now, not enough to grow the population, and the bottom quintile is a trailer park of social dysfunction.
I suspect wherever you are, you'd find it's worse now than it was 10 years ago. Which, if you're in an area with less than 3 or 3.5% unemployment, I think that's fine. I guess that's basically frictional unemployment and not long term unemployed and not being able to fill a job just means you're not offering a market clearing wage. But we have lots of counties in Mississippi with unemployment allegedly well above that that I'm sure you still can't get people to show up sober and ready to work. I don't know how to fix that issue because I don't know how those "unemployed" are surviving. I know a lot of non-workers are faking disability claims, but they in theory shouldn't be showing up in the unemployment rate. Are the "unemployed" just working under the table for cash while claiming to be unemployed? Are there ways to get around the 60 month limit on TANF? Are they taking advantage of family members that are getting social security checks or otherwise have income?
And, thank you for another round of solid facts, logic and reason to help me understand what I'm missing and why all of this is good for America. Those are the kind of MAGA facts that really help me consider changing my mind...
So I didn't change your mind about thinking it's fine to cheer the assassination of a president you don't like??
I'm glad I can't actually influence psychopaths.