OT: Jackson is 1st and worst in homicides

paindonthurt

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How does a city in such shape pull out of the death spiral? Are there any similar stories in the US that turned it around? It's really sad...

https://kingfish1935.blogspot.com/2025/09/the-times-jackson-has-highest-murder.html
1. Police where crime is
2. Get a DA who wants to prosecute criminals (people who commit crimes are criminals regardless of what jas Crockett says)
3. Get rid of bad cops
4. Let the good ones do their job and support them
5. Hire more good ones
 

horshack.sixpack

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1. Police where crime is
2. Get a DA who wants to prosecute criminals (people who commit crimes are criminals regardless of what jas Crockett says)
3. Get rid of bad cops
4. Let the good ones do their job and support them
5. Hire more good ones
I did notice that Kingfish thanked the current mayor for allowing the data out that supported the reporting. Progress?
 

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How does a city in such shape pull out of the death spiral? Are there any similar stories in the US that turned it around? It's really sad...

https://kingfish1935.blogspot.com/2025/09/the-times-jackson-has-highest-murder.html
Not while the leaders of the city block actual things that work and throw out deflecting blame and fear mongering. All the while grabbing their cash under the table.

When you draw a crowd and blame a gas station for homicides and crime in an area… you are completely unable to bring about any forward thinking to improve an area.
 

8dog

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Horhn is a step in the right direction. His police chief hire is key. Im told he is looking for someone with experience in dealing with juvenile gangs. Still a lot of good stuff going on entertainment wise. Need Thalia Mara back up and running.
 

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Short term? What pain said. Long term? Hell if I know. Welfare doesn't work. Education dollars don't work when you don't see the tangible benefits of education in your community. Only thing I can think of would be well off people moving back and gentrifying the entire area and splitting up populations caught in the poor/uneducated->procreate-->poor/uneducated cycle that has no chance at fixing itself.
 

horshack.sixpack

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1. Police where crime is
2. Get a DA who wants to prosecute criminals (people who commit crimes are criminals regardless of what jas Crockett says)
3. Get rid of bad cops
4. Let the good ones do their job and support them
5. Hire more good ones
I think that pay will need to be a factor as well. I know that there are few "good" candidates who will apply for what they pay and what is expected from them. I do think that Capitol Police pay better, so they have found a model that ups pay and seemingly has a funding source. No idea what that is. Ultimately, there is a huge chicken/egg issue with a completely eroded tax base leaving little to work with. There is far too much infrastructure. If there were a way to magically shrink the City footprint, consolidate neighborhoods into places that are still decent and focus both infrastructure and police spending in those smaller areas, perhaps things could get under control and move in the right direction again.
 

The Cooterpoot

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1. Bring in a former federal Marshall with gang experience as police chief (Will cost them money to do it and to turn this around) and expand the force and accept help.
2. Stop hiring losers to run your public works. They just hired another one this week who's been run off multiple jobs
3. Judges have to hammer criminals and stop letting them off easy. I don't know how they mayor does that but he's got some experience in that realm
4. Clean the place up! It's a nasty *** place with rundown buildings and dumping all over the place.
 

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I lived in Detroit for several years in the mid 2010's. Jackson needs what Dan Gilbert and the Ilitch family did in downtown Detroit. They completely turned it around and made it a desirable place for everyone in the burbs to visit. Also made it a spot where people could live again. We went downtown every other weekend and never once felt unsafe or had any issues. Now there are still areas of Detroit that are awful, but downtown isn't one of them. Just look at the NFL draft they hosted. That doesn't happen without those two doing so much work in the city to make it a desirable place to go. Does Jackson have the big money folks that are willing to make it happen is the big question.
 
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horshack.sixpack

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Yeah, that worked out so well with the Convention & Visitors Bureau. **

That stadium wouldn't draw half the people in downtown Jackson it drew in Pearl.
It's hard to see now, but at the time it was proposed, I think that it could have been a totally different downtown if the City had a brain in its head and instead of trying to directly profit from it, had a little vision for what it could indirectly bring in.
 

patdog

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It's hard to see now, but at the time it was proposed, I think that it could have been a totally different downtown if the City had a brain in its head and instead of trying to directly profit from it, had a little vision for what it could indirectly bring in.
That's kind of my point. Done right, of course it could have been a success. But City of Jackson just refuses to have good things and insists on being a dangerous run-down dump.
 

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That's kind of my point. Done right, of course it could have been a success. But City of Jackson just refuses to have good things and insists on being a dangerous run-down dump.
My understanding is that the grifter in power at the time insisted on a straight % cut of ticket sales for it to be downtown. There are so many common sense reasons that is a bad idea that it defies logic.
 

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This is a family issue. It won't be fixed by voting. It won't be fixed by law enforcement. It won't be fixed by economic opportunity. The only thing that will fix this issue is matriarchs and patriarchs making a decision to take responsibility for their children's behavior.
 

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There seems to be a pretty direct correlation between how people vote and how dangerous their city is.
sarcastic seth meyers GIF by Late Night with Seth Meyers
 
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I did notice that Kingfish thanked the current mayor for allowing the data out that supported the reporting. Progress?
My current opinion of the mayor is good. Obviously thats a very limited set of data but i think he is making good moves.

Can he make the hard political decisions when the time comes?
 

paindonthurt

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I think that pay will need to be a factor as well. I know that there are few "good" candidates who will apply for what they pay and what is expected from them. I do think that Capitol Police pay better, so they have found a model that ups pay and seemingly has a funding source. No idea what that is. Ultimately, there is a huge chicken/egg issue with a completely eroded tax base leaving little to work with. There is far too much infrastructure. If there were a way to magically shrink the City footprint, consolidate neighborhoods into places that are still decent and focus both infrastructure and police spending in those smaller areas, perhaps things could get under control and move in the right direction again.
Pay will absolutely be a factor which means you have to take care of the actual people paying taxes FIRST.
 
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My current opinion of the mayor is good. Obviously thats a very limited set of data but i think he is making good moves.

Can he make the hard political decisions when the time comes?
I'm gonna go with "much better than before" and work my way to "good" if warranted. I've been around the area since the mid-70's so I'm very Missouri on these things. I recall Frank Melton speaking once at HindsCC in the late 80's and I thought he did a great job/was right on point, then I watched his mayoral progress turn into a dumpster fire...
 

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Short term? What pain said. Long term? Hell if I know. Welfare doesn't work. Education dollars don't work when you don't see the tangible benefits of education in your community. Only thing I can think of would be well off people moving back and gentrifying the entire area and splitting up populations caught in the poor/uneducated->procreate-->poor/uneducated cycle that has no chance at fixing itself.
This is going to be controversial. It shouldn't be because its the truth.

Leaders who are elected in "economically challenged" areas have to start holding citizens accountable. And the bad part is a lot of the citizens are ok with that but they are either A.) scared to stand up to the bad people B.) conditioned to blame someone else.
 
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paindonthurt

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I'm gonna go with "much better than before" and work my way to "good" if warranted. I've been around the area since the mid-70's so I'm very Missouri on these things. I recall Frank Melton speaking once at HindsCC in the late 80's and I thought he did a great job/was right on point, then I watched his mayoral progress turn into a dumpster fire...
Not really sure what happened to Frank. Seemed like he was doing a good job with crime and then he decided to go all Action Jackson.
 

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Chattanooga, TN was pretty bad.
It still is, except in the tiny tourist area
Any comparison of Jackson and Chattanooga is, uh....flawed. What's considered bad in Chattanooga is a normal day in Jack-hole.

HOWEVER.....

The answer is not trying to fix all of Jackson. It is to simply clean up and invest in downtown. We're just going to have to accept a high murder rate, but at the same time keep it out of downtown.

But a bigger issue is regaining the surrounding population's confidence in downtown. If this is true:

Yeah, that worked out so well with the Convention & Visitors Bureau. **

That stadium wouldn't draw half the people in downtown Jackson it drew in Pearl.
.....then nothing else matters. Mississippians by and large just do not value an urban center. Or they just don't realize that they need to.
 

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1. Police where crime is
That won't do a damned thing. That's all been tried, Frank Melton anyone? And let's not pretend that you give a flying 17 about the people where the crime is.

Police need to be concentrated downtown. Jackson is always going to be bad. But it can have a viable business and entertainment district.

TateR knows this.
 

paindonthurt

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Any comparison of Jackson and Chattanooga is, uh....flawed. What's considered bad in Chattanooga is a normal day in Jack-hole.

HOWEVER.....

The answer is not trying to fix all of Jackson. It is to simply clean up and invest in downtown. We're just going to have to accept a high murder rate, but at the same time keep it out of downtown.

But a bigger issue is regaining the surrounding population's confidence in downtown. If this is true:


.....then nothing else matters. Mississippians by and large just do not value an urban center. Or they just don't realize that they need to.
Its pretty simple. Mississippians value safety more than they value downtown Jackson. And they are correct.

Fix the crime then worry about investment. You could theoretically do both at the same time but the investors are too experienced and been burned too much that they don't trust that. I don't blame them.
 
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paindonthurt

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That won't do a damned thing. That's all been tried, Frank Melton anyone? And let's not pretend that you give a flying 17 about the people where the crime is.

Police need to be concentrated downtown. Jackson is always going to be bad. But it can have a viable business and entertainment district.

TateR knows this.
Youa are still a moron. Its worked every where its been done. Like actually been done.

I care about the people where the crime is about as much as you do and about as much as they appear to.

Police need to be concentrated downtown. Jackson is always going to be bad. But it can have a viable business and entertainment district.
A lot of the crime is downtown you stupid 17. Glad we agree.
 

paindonthurt

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That won't do a damned thing. That's all been tried, Frank Melton anyone? And let's not pretend that you give a flying 17 about the people where the crime is.

Police need to be concentrated downtown. Jackson is always going to be bad. But it can have a viable business and entertainment district.

TateR knows this.
Exhibit A
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The capital police started policing down town WHERE CRIME WAS HAPPENING and murders went down.

Murders within a 1.75 mi radius of capital

2016 - 14
2017 - 14
2018 - 21
2019 - 11
2020 - 24
2021 - 33
2022 - 20
2023 - 16
2024 - 10
2025 - 7

GUESS WHAT!! All murders in Jackson area have gone down since the capitol police started policing downtown.
 

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The saddest part about that article was when I read the quote about some kids as young as 12 having access to guns, and I immediately thought to myself... I promise that there are plenty of kids younger than that are fully armed