OT: Negro league stats to be incorporated into MLB
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Makes no sense. The history of the negro league has become such a cool thing to learn about. While I get wanting to highlight their accomplishments to correct an injustice, it still just makes statistics in those times irrelevant…not just to MLB but to the Negro Leagues as well.
It really doesn’t fix anything. To me it’s the same issue I have with Caitlyn Clark “breaking” Pistol Pete’s scoring record. They are 2 separate leagues…she didn’t break his record and he didn’t own the women’s record before she passed it. People have lost their minds.
By the way, there are so many great books / bios on some of the negro league players. Love reading those. Not sure the game was ever as pure as it was in those leagues. And some of the greatest personalities played in that era and for those teams. And there were some hilarious stories that come from them, especially Satchel Paige.
Some of the Negro League teams played in high school size parks. It wasn't the Negro Leauges fault that many times they played in much smaller parks than the MLB parks but it was a fact.
Might as well put the International League numbers in there, too. This is errant.
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I was thinking the same thing
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What about the half rubber played at Folly Beach with rocks as a backstop? Let’s get those beer drinking guys in there
Some of the Negro League teams played in MLB stadiums Ebbets Field and Yankee Stadium are but 2. Most stadiums were smaller in capacity, but the dimensions were relatively the same. Muehlaebach Stadium in Kansas CIty had a deep park with a left field of 350, left center of 408, and center an incredible 450 until 1950 when they shortened it to 432.
So to answer your question, yes many of the parks had approximately the same dimensions.
I don't know what problem this solves. Guess it gives the appearance of doing something without really doing anything, which is enough to make most people feel today like they are doing something.
Given the merger of the NBA and ABA, I would actually be in support of their stats being included. As far as the top tier of talent, the ABA was probably as talented as the NBA was (David Thompson, Dr. J, Iceman, Bobby Jones, Moses Malone, and the list goes on). The ABA's issue was money to pay all those stars they had acquired. The trick to merging those stats would be that the ABA had the 3 Point shot during those times while the NBA did not. Nonetheless, modern NBA stats are included with the 3 Point shot and the old guys just have to deal with it.
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Admission of errors and past wrongdoings is perhaps the first step in healing and moving forward, together. There's nothing wrong whatsoever, in any shape or form, in acknowledging AND appreciating great accomplishments whether it be on the playing field, in the classroom or in the workplace.
The problem is ourselves. Those addicted to the G.O.A.T. and meaningless Championships at the cost of honesty, honor and integrity. Look in the mirror.
The problem is ourselves. Those addicted to the G.O.A.T. and meaningless Championships at the cost of honesty, honor and integrity. Look in the mirror.
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No. Which goes to the point that it's purely speculative as to how players from either league would have performed in the other.
All of these people are dead now. So, it's not that big of a deal. If MLB wants to recognize the Negro Leagues in this fashion, that's fine. What MLB should be focusing on is how youth baseball can grow besides Pay-for-Play Travel Ball. Major reason why there are small numbers of African Americans playing the sport.
Which only further shows the lunacy of the move.
On the one hand, defender of the move are arguing it's a necessary move to right a historical injustice.
On the other hand, they also say "Who cares? The people are dead so what does it matter?"
Can't have both.
The thing I have in favor of it is the MLB didn't allow the players to play due to racism. Therefore, the MLB stats prior to integration are diluted because those guys were not playing the best in the world.
The best way to do it is have 3 records books. One MLB prior to integration, one Negro League and one modern MLB post integration. People will call that racist, but it's the only fair way to do it in my eyes. It's definitely just as unfair to have Babe Ruth as the all time OPS leader as it is to have Josh Gibson. Neither played against the best in the world at their time.
Question is are they going to incorporate MLB stats into the negro league??? are the going to hang plaques up of Nolan Ryan or Pete Rose in the Negro museum???
Who is defending the move? I really haven't been keeping up with it. I don't think many people care outside of Baseball historians.
during a barnstorming game in Chicago in the late 1930s. He said The Big Bam – as Ruth was sometimes called – hooked his bat into a Paige pitch and pounded a monstrous home run into the trees beyond the center-field wall. The home run was so prodigious – O’Neil estimated it flew 500 feet – that Satchel is said to have stared at The Bambino in wonderment as Ruth rounded the bases. According to the story, Paige was so impressed by Ruth’s power that he stood at home plate to shake The Babe’s hand.
Ahh, the irony of ironies,
Ty Cobb one of the most hated, Biggest SOB's, raging racist individuals by all accounts, has had his record of highest lifetime BA surpassed by, wait for it, a player from the Negro Leagues.
# KARMA.
Ty Cobb one of the most hated, Biggest SOB's, raging racist individuals by all accounts, has had his record of highest lifetime BA surpassed by, wait for it, a player from the Negro Leagues.
# KARMA.
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