OT - Phillies Fans - Dick Allen HOF information

MrTailgate

Well-known member
Oct 19, 2021
798
1,489
93
For those Phillies fans awaiting the upcoming vote, a positive was the announcement of the Committee which will actually vote. Mike Schmidt is a big proponent of Dick’s, and his selection as one of the committee has to be a positive. Schmidt will certainly be a vocal voice during the discussions. Carew, Torre, and Fergie are the other players who played against Dick on the committee with Ozzie being the final player who didn’t arrive in the bigs until Allen was retired. Selig is also on the Committee and hopefully during his close friendship with Aaron, Hammer spoke about the merits of Allen for The Hall. The only person that could have rivaled Schmidt was Goose Gossage who claims that Allen was the best player he saw and the best teammate he ever had. Just a shame that Goose isn’t on the panel too.

Time to bring this home.
 

MrTailgate

Well-known member
Oct 19, 2021
798
1,489
93
At old Connie Mack, Dick Allen hit some of the longest home runs I ever saw. The ball jumped off his bat like a rocket.
Bill Jenkinson is a noted baseball historian who has spent a considerable period of time researching the act of hitting a baseball a long way. He has researched home runs and concluded that Allen sits just behind Ruth in a group which also includes Foxx, Mantle, and Frank Howard as the authors of baseball’s longest home runs. He authored a book in 2010 dedicated to this subject. Of particular interest is a home run that Allen hit on June 20, 1969 which Willie Stargell still talked about nearly 10 years after seeing Allen hit it. Allen also hit a home run in Spring Training in 1965 which was legendary. I saw a couple of hundred games in old Jack Russell and I know the dimensions very well and where it was hit. I saw Bo Jackson hit the hardest ball I ever saw hit in Jack Russell in the same vicinity and Bill Conlin told me that Allen’s blast far exceeded it. Gene Mauch said Allen’s was hit 550 feet.
 

MrTailgate

Well-known member
Oct 19, 2021
798
1,489
93
Well, I feel compelled to write a follow up after the disappointment of Sunday night. Just a couple of points.

1- I don’t believe it’s proper to diminish the people who were voted in and attempt to position Allen as being superior to them. I did not really see Hodges or Minoso play. Kaat is one of the nicest people associated with the game and although he has said he belongs in the Hall of the Very Good, I am still happy for him. I like as well that he modeled his fielding mechanics after Bobby Shantz, another wonderful baseball man who lives in the Philly area and who still makes personal appearances even into his mid 90’s. Oliva was one of the best pure hitters I ever saw and he was a lock for 3k hits if he wasn’t hurt. I really believe he was as good a hitter as Carew but with more power. I have no problem with his election and glad that he gets to share it with Carew who he has a strong best buddy type of relationship with 55 years after Carew joined him in MN.

2- We will never know the real story unless Schmidt or someone else sings, but there is a lot of focus on the fact that it’s nearly automatic that someone who misses like Allen did last time by one vote is always elected the next time up. We’ve seen this throughout the Hall history. There is some thought that the most powerful person in the process, Jane Forbes Clark is against Allen and that the panel is picked to have 5 no votes amongst the 16 to ensure Allen doesn’t get in. We will never know the truth but it’s highly irregular as to what took place. I’d love to see her interviewed and put on the hot seat as to her perspective on Allen and to the criteria used to select the committee panel.

3- There was a lot of thought that the racial injustice that Allen faced would support his election. There is some thought that the racial recognition helped to push Buck O’Neill across the finish line. I think O’Neil is long past due and to suggest that the racial recognition helped O’Neill is an insult to this wonderful baseball man. I do believe that the Phillies failed Allen and that the Arkansas disaster was the event that wounded Allen throughout his life. He saw baseball and life differently after Arkansas and if he had come along 10 years later, he would have had the longevity and put up the numbers that would have made him an all timer statistically. His mistreatment is now well known and I did think that this would have been considered somewhat as to the impact it had on his career.

It was a gut punch for the family who gathered in Orlando ready to celebrate the vote only to be let down. At this point, the few who remain will be gone (Koufax, Mays, etc) by the time the next vote takes place for the Golden Era. I really thought it was going to happen, so disappointed.
 
  • Sad
Reactions: Tom McAndrew

Alphalion75

Well-known member
Oct 21, 2021
2,791
2,940
113
I only have one word for the HOF snub of Dick Allen....in his own scripted word......"BOO!".
 

MrTailgate

Well-known member
Oct 19, 2021
798
1,489
93


One of the more passionate members of the aforementioned email chain over the years was Ruly Carpenter who has passed on fairly recently as well. He was a huge proponent of Allen and considered him a good friend. So many on the chain have expressed huge disappointment and frustration since the vote, signaling how much Allen meant to so many.

There was a very interesting interview after the vote with Bill White, conducted by veteran media personality Bill Werndell. White comes out with guns blazing saying that he’d like to say more but has to be a bit reserved. I mentioned previously that Jane Forbes Clark is someone who might be anti-Allen. White mentions her in passing but pretty clearly lays this at the feet of Jerry Reinsdorf (which has been intimated before). Reinsdorf was on the committee and had a vote previously but now sits on the Board of Directors for the Hall and is close with Forbes Clark. Reinsdorf was the cog behind the election of Harold Baines, was very positive for Larussa, and was a big proponent of Minnoso this time around. Given that Kaat had a stop in Chicago, Reinsdorf was probably supportive of Kaat as well. He also was very supportive of Billy Pierce being elected which was a head scratcher. People have complained about Kaat getting in, I can’t imagine the uproar if Pierce had got the nod. White said that Allen had negative things to say about one person he played for who is involved with the Hall and it follows that this person has been a blocker to Allen getting in. That is clearly Reinsdorf. White said he would like to see that person and confront him directly about this. Bill White is 87 and has done everything you can do in the game from player to broadcaster to executive. He is as classy a man as one can be. He said Allen was as good as McCovey and just a step below Mays. He said he liked his time with the Phillies because pitchers would walk Allen to pitch to him so that he got better pitches to hit. White still lives in the area after living in Rydal when he was a player with the Phillies and beyond.
 

Tom McAndrew

BWI Staff
Staff member
Oct 27, 2021
51,575
39,163
113
There was a very interesting interview after the vote with Bill White, conducted by veteran media personality Bill Werndell. White comes out with guns blazing saying that he’d like to say more but has to be a bit reserved. I mentioned previously that Jane Forbes Clark is someone who might be anti-Allen. White mentions her in passing but pretty clearly lays this at the feet of Jerry Reinsdorf (which has been intimated before). Reinsdorf was on the committee and had a vote previously but now sits on the Board of Directors for the Hall and is close with Forbes Clark. Reinsdorf was the cog behind the election of Harold Baines, was very positive for Larussa, and was a big proponent of Minnoso this time around. Given that Kaat had a stop in Chicago, Reinsdorf was probably supportive of Kaat as well. He also was very supportive of Billy Pierce being elected which was a head scratcher. People have complained about Kaat getting in, I can’t imagine the uproar if Pierce had got the nod. White said that Allen had negative things to say about one person he played for who is involved with the Hall and it follows that this person has been a blocker to Allen getting in. That is clearly Reinsdorf. White said he would like to see that person and confront him directly about this. Bill White is 87 and has done everything you can do in the game from player to broadcaster to executive. He is as classy a man as one can be. He said Allen was as good as McCovey and just a step below Mays. He said he liked his time with the Phillies because pitchers would walk Allen to pitch to him so that he got better pitches to hit. White still lives in the area after living in Rydal when he was a player with the Phillies and beyond.

I've met Bill White a couple of times and your characterization -- "as classy a man as one can be" -- is spot on. As you mentioned, Bill played with Allen, and is qualified to evaluate him against his peers.

Interesting (or not surprising) that Reinsdorf, once again, comes off looking like an a$$.
 
Get unlimited access today.

Pick the right plan for you.

Already a member? Login