OT this is how things are handled in WV....

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You completely missed the point. School shootings are horrific, but so is the carnage in the big cities like Philly. But one gets tons of attention and one does not.
deflecting isn't making a point
 
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deflecting isn't making a point
Using their logic....

There were 1,581 airplane crashes in 2018 which is the last full year I could find data for after a cursory search. These crashes resulted in 847 fatalities. We never hear about most of these because they're small private aircraft. The news generally focuses on airline crashes which result in a large number of fatalities. Still, small plane crashes with one fatality may be more common but they're not generally covered on the news. Using the logic of some, that means we shouldn't make a big deal out of an airliner crash (even if it's intentional) because smaller crashes happen too. TSA checks and safety regulations are impinging on the rights of law-abiding travelers, again using their logic.

Back in reality, TSA checks are done to avoid another 9/11 horror even if 99.9% of travelers have no ill intent. There are no-fly lists of people who aren't allowed to fly on commercial aircraft.
 
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I have no narrative. I'm an outdoorsman and at one point owned 10+ various firearms for hunting. I've harvested hundreds of animals since I was legal to hunt at 12 years old in PA. I can get into tit for tat bush*t arguments that end up in heated arguments but please tell me this. Why should anyone in our country own 52 clips of 1,600 rounds unless they are law enforcement? Nevermind body armor. Are you good with citizens owning body armor and 1,600 rounds?
Similar story here- I own a fair number of long guns and four handguns (one of which I often do carry) but I do think background checks are a must. Why in God's name would we want anyone who gets flagged on a background check to have a gun?
 

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If you let criminals run rampant, you will get violence. Apparently it's a difficult concept for some. Look at this thread - legitimate self defense takes place and people are mourning the death of the assailant. You guys are sick. No wonder violence in places like Chicago is allowed to destroy, often minority, communities.
Studies show, time and again, that Chicago is not even amongst the top 10 most violent cities in America. In fact, it’s not even in the top 50. Yet many right-leaning news outlets constantly paint the Windy City as a bastion of crime. Why is that? I’m not from Chicago, and I’m sure it has it’s less favorable sections (like every city does), but in my experience as a tourist, I find it to be a lovely city.

Regardless, I don’t think anybody is mourning the assailant. In fact, I’d agree that the guy had it coming. The problem with vigilante crime deterrent is that there is ultimately no accountability, and in a country where so many citizens are not mentally or emotionally fit to make life/death decisions, it becomes a more dangerous society when everybody has a gun (or more specifically, the sorts of guns used in legitimate combat).
 

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Studies show, time and again, that Chicago is not even amongst the top 10 most violent cities in America. In fact, it’s not even in the top 50. Yet many right-leaning news outlets constantly paint the Windy City as a bastion of crime. Why is that? I’m not from Chicago, and I’m sure it has it’s less favorable sections (like every city does), but in my experience as a tourist, I find it to be a lovely city.

Regardless, I don’t think anybody is mourning the assailant. In fact, I’d agree that the guy had it coming. The problem with vigilante crime deterrent is that there is ultimately no accountability, and in a country where so many citizens are not mentally or emotionally fit to make life/death decisions, it becomes a more dangerous society when everybody has a gun (or more specifically, the sorts of guns used in legitimate combat).
the other fact that you rarely hear is that Chicago's once tough gun laws were invalidated by the courts years ago
 
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the other fact that you rarely hear is that Chicago's once tough gun laws were invalidated by the courts years ago

New York's get invalidated all the time, so much so that their government has turned it into a sport. Just as a law is about to be overturned they pass a new one while often at the same time repealing the current law. That has the effect of never having to get a definitive ruling on an issue since the law is no longer in effect, and also starting the slow and expensive judicial cycle all over again on essentially the same law.
 

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New York's get invalidated all the time, so much so that their government has turned it into a sport. Just as a law is about to be overturned they pass a new one while often at the same time repealing the current law. That has the effect of never having to get a definitive ruling on an issue since the law is no longer in effect, and also starting the slow and expensive judicial cycle all over again on essentially the same law.
Dead wrong, as usual. The SAFE Act law has been unchanged since 2013, when it was passed by a bipartisan majority. The courts may strike it down, but just try to take a gun into their chambers.
 
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Don’t worry, the USSC and other courts are standing ready to rule any new gun control laws unconstitutional.
 

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Studies show, time and again, that Chicago is not even amongst the top 10 most violent cities in America. In fact, it’s not even in the top 50. Yet many right-leaning news outlets constantly paint the Windy City as a bastion of crime. Why is that? I’m not from Chicago, and I’m sure it has it’s less favorable sections (like every city does), but in my experience as a tourist, I find it to be a lovely city.

Regardless, I don’t think anybody is mourning the assailant. In fact, I’d agree that the guy had it coming. The problem with vigilante crime deterrent is that there is ultimately no accountability, and in a country where so many citizens are not mentally or emotionally fit to make life/death decisions, it becomes a more dangerous society when everybody has a gun (or more specifically, the sorts of guns used in legitimate combat).

greater Chicago, yes. South side is a free fire zone
 
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Studies show, time and again, that Chicago is not even amongst the top 10 most violent cities in America. In fact, it’s not even in the top 50. Yet many right-leaning news outlets constantly paint the Windy City as a bastion of crime. Why is that? I’m not from Chicago, and I’m sure it has it’s less favorable sections (like every city does), but in my experience as a tourist, I find it to be a lovely city.

Regardless, I don’t think anybody is mourning the assailant. In fact, I’d agree that the guy had it coming. The problem with vigilante crime deterrent is that there is ultimately no accountability, and in a country where so many citizens are not mentally or emotionally fit to make life/death decisions, it becomes a more dangerous society when everybody has a gun (or more specifically, the sorts of guns used in legitimate combat).
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