Not a good comparison. No scholarships. Expensive out of state tuition.
OT - USNews ranks PSU 23rd among public universities
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Know a young lady (family friend) who lived out of PA but wanted to go to Penn State. Minority student. 2nd in her class. Well spoken. Many school activities. Got no scholarship money from Penn State. Accepted into higher rated private school. With scholarship money it was cheaper than Penn State. This was 7/8 years ago. Graduated with honors. Now making over 100 K and just donated 10K to her alma mater.
Northwestern is private, so it’s 7.I believe I wrote:
"Tied for 8th/9th - with Rutgers
Northwestern, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Maryland, Ohio State, and Purdue above Penn State. "
I am trying to find the "error" there
But, yes, of course, that is a commendable achievement.
Taking over a University ranked only behind Northwestern and Michigan - and parlaying those resources into a ranking below 5 more of the Big Ten schools - Illinois, Wisconsin, Maryland, Ohio State, and Purdue - and tying with Rutgers.
That, I believe, was the point.
Do you have a point? If not, feel free - however you want to count your digits - to celebrate that "eliteness" to your heart's content. That seems to be your quest, far be it for me to interfere.
Villanova has two PhD programs, in Philosophy and in Theology. Two.
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Can't speak for others, but I've said they were a joke for at least 15 years. Any university president should say the same thing, but they know that the rankngs drive undergraduate applications.
Years ago, one of the rankings rags rated schools on financial aid. PSU was the second most stingy, behind NYU.
My kids won't even look at PSU. Why? While it's true I'm mad at the BOT, its actually quite simple: I told my four, here's a challenge. Beat the in-state UNC number (25k per year all in) at an out of state school of your choice and we'll drive or fly you there, no questions. So my first two said okay and found Miami University at 22k per year out of state (all expenses) with scholarships. My second is at the University of New Mexico at 17k per year all in with scholarships. Meanwhile their cousins from Danville who were both valedictorians spend 32k a year at PSU. That's 32k a year in-state. Out of state is up over 50k per year. Why would I spend double or possibly triple to send a kid to PSU? It's their first degrees after all.
That was your personal decision and that of your children. For others, Penn State is their dream school and a lifelong pursuit — whether in-state or out-of-state. I have friend in Maryland whose son got accepted to University of Maryland, which is $25k all in. He is now at Penn State at 2X that amount. Does that make his decision wrong? No.
Yes, thanks to Ken Langone who contributed $100mm to a $450mm endowment and was instrumental in raising the rest.
It's not expensive out of state, compared to many other options (state schools and private schools). They have Provost's Awards, though I don't know how free they are with those scholarships.
Whether the decision is right or wrong is often not known until after graduation. If money is not an object it may not matter. If it is, and a grad is carrying a heavy debt load because they went to their "dream school", they may long rue their decision.
As an aside. I wonder if your friend's son would still choose PSU if he was told that if he picked Maryland he could use the money saved as a graduation present of his choice. Corvette, trip to Europe, new house. It might not matter but if it was me, I'd take the Vette.
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Woke meaning, being alert of racial prejudice and discrimination. I’ll take it.
Everyone has their own criteria for what makes a diploma worthwhile. To me, paying virtually the same to go to a markedly lesser school in a less desirable area wouldn't make sense (why not UNC in-state?), unless the kid was dead set on that particular campus, for some odd reason.
I'm not saying PSU is the cheapest option ... I just hadn't looked at the cost recently, and the way folks were talking about it, I had thought it was just obscene ... a little expensive as an in-state option (but with tons of possibilities, and options for fun), but still remarkably affordable (comparatively to the general college landscape) and, for out-of-staters, it's cheaper than sending kids to a private school, in most instances.
These are numbers to be Penn State Proud of. Dr. Graham Spanier deserves a lot of credit for his vision to move the university forward into the 21st century. I know some don't like him but you gotta give the man credit
My son is looking at Penn State, but the cost may make it prohibitive. It's not just the tuition, as others have mentioned, PSU is not good when it comes to financial aid. I'm not making the call on schools because my financial contribution to his education is coming in the form of a college fund my wife and I established for him when he was one. The rest is on him.
My kids grew up on the unc campus - for them it’s an extension of hs. They got in but wanted to go elsewhere for undergrad and come back for grad/med school.
Seems ridiculous for undergrad. Not the decision but our administration’s decision making that led to a 2x decision for parents and students. Something is wrong with that scenario.
I have a story about my college roommate and his daughter who graduated from Schreyer last spring.
He offered her an 85k Mercedes upon graduation if she chose in-state honors at FSU. The daughter and mom said no - pay up for PSU. And he did.
Schreyer, aside, which is the gem of the Penn State system and worthy of praise, if ratings continue to tumble, fewer and fewer quality students will choose Dear Old State. We may never compete with the Ivy's, or Stanford, or even Michigan, but we should damn well be top 5 in the BigTen and beating schools like Pitt.
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