Outside of the NC Game and maybe 2 other bowls, does anyone really give a ****?

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Just curious has anyone watched them? I had no clue that Clempson was even playing KY until i saw a random post from a Clempson person on another non-sports message board.
i cant fathom why anyone would fight for the current bowl system. Even the sponsors. Granted, i dont know the TV ratings for any given bowl, but even if the Raiders-Browns game was on tonight instead of the Cowboys, im sure the ratings would dominate the Gaylord Bowl.

Institute some sort of playoff and it might be interesting...otherwise, id rather watch a fat guy jam cheesburgers down his piehole on the travel channel.
 

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Just curious has anyone watched them? I had no clue that Clempson was even playing KY until i saw a random post from a Clempson person on another non-sports message board.
i cant fathom why anyone would fight for the current bowl system. Even the sponsors. Granted, i dont know the TV ratings for any given bowl, but even if the Raiders-Browns game was on tonight instead of the Cowboys, im sure the ratings would dominate the Gaylord Bowl.

Institute some sort of playoff and it might be interesting...otherwise, id rather watch a fat guy jam cheesburgers down his piehole on the travel channel.
 

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and im well aware that ive become a much bigger NFL fan the past 5 years than i am of college, but even looking at it objectively, I dont see the draw of watching totally meaningless college contests as opposed to any NFL game. Assuming its not your Alma Mater. Be interested to see the ratings of the two games tonight.

Im not saying these wont be entertaining matchups, but without any consequences at stake, its not interesting to me.
 

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**** I don't watch most of the bowls and I'm about 50/50 on a playoff. Nobody against a playoff cares about keeping the bowl games. They want to keep the regular season. Don't want to see all the meaningless bowl games then don't watch. It's what I've been doing to the Saints and Colts for the past month.
 

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I enjoy the bowl games as much as I enjoy most regular season games, but you're right, unless my team is playing or it is the national title game, I really don't care about the result of any of the bowl games, nor do I get all that excited about them.

There is only one postseason game that counts, and the irony of those supporting the BCS is that many of them argue that a playoff system would devalue the bowls. I argue that the 2-team playoff we currently have already devalues the bowls as much as you can. An 8 or 16 team playoff would at least give us more than one meaningful postseason game.
 

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1984Dawg said:
**** I don't watch most of the bowls and I'm about 50/50 on a playoff. Nobody against a playoff cares about keeping the bowl games. They want to keep the regular season. Don't want to see all the meaningless bowl games then don't watch. It's what I've been doing to the Saints and Colts for the past month.
I dont watch...thats my point. If it had meaning i would. If the Gaylord Bowl was a play in game, i might have watched a bit during the NBC game.
 

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I enjoy the bowl games as much as I enjoy most regular season games, but you're right, unless my team is playing or it is the national title game, I really don't care about the result of any of the bowl games, nor do I get all that excited about them.

There is only one postseason game that counts, and the irony of those supporting the BCS is that many of them argue that a playoff system would devalue the bowls. I argue that the 2-team playoff we currently have already devalues the bowls as much as you can. An 8 or 16 team playoff would at least give us more than one meaningful postseason game.
the bowls are dumb. the bowls that matter would prosper like never before....the others, well who gives a @%%$. I woldnt spend my money to go to one of these also-ran bowls unless state played in the Peach again.
 

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are why God (i.e. Cam Newton's Dad/Stan Jones) invented Sports Betting. You'll go from apathy to cheering out loud for the Thundering Herd in no time.

You are welcome.
 

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I guess my point was that you seem to be trying to make the argument that ****** bowls are a reason for a playoff.... and they're not. Nobody would miss the ****** bowls. They'd miss the knockout-style regular season games that you don't have in any other sport. The argument isn't playoff vs bowls it's playoff vs best regular season in sports.
 

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They are a staple of the season. I really enjoy the random bowl games. As a college student this week is boring, Christmas is over and we are waiting on New Years. So Bowls fill time. I feel like most people look forward to them.
 

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Notch Johnson dawg said:
are why God (i.e. Cam Newton's Dad/Stan Jones) invented Sports Betting. You'll go from apathy to cheering out loud for the Thundering Herd in no time.

You are welcome.
You think if the bowls are emlpoyeed as part of the NC they would garner much action??? I say much more than the Meienke Car Care Bowl
 

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1984Dawg said:
I guess my point was that you seem to be trying to make the argument that ****** bowls are a reason for a playoff.... and they're not. Nobody would miss the ****** bowls. They'd miss the knockout-style regular season games that you don't have in any other sport. The argument isn't playoff vs bowls it's playoff vs best regular season in sports.
Is a week two knockout game as good for the game as the best 10 teams playing for it all at the end of the year? I think not.
 

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They are a staple of the season. I really enjoy the random bowl games. As a college student this week is boring, Christmas is over and we are waiting on New Years. So Bowls fill time. I feel like most people look forward to them.
I know no one looking forward to, or even discussing these games...they are an after thought. Still too much at stake in the The League. sure, some small pockets of interest, but not even approaching ratings for a Browns-Raiders game.
 

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This isn't about being good for the game. I don't know what's good for the game. This is about entertainment and money. That's what college sports are. Now I don't care about the money, but as far as entertainment, yeah all the knockout games spread across the course of a season is more entertaining for me than I think any big playoff would be. For you, maybe not. But for me, yeah.
 

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I guess it all goes back to ones fondness for NFL vs College. For me their isnt a debate. Ill take NFL every day.
 

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I like the bowls. I think it's kind of fun to watch a school like MTSU win a championship. I enjoyed watching June Jones and his run and shoot offense on Christmas Eve. I don't know whether a playoff would dilute the bowls or not- I think they're here to stay regardless.
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I think the beauty of it is a team can have a good season and go out a winner. You can't say that about basketball or baseball. You can say, but you play the game for the championship and nothing else. Well, it's not like there is no championship or ultimate champion- there is a BCS Championship Game. Why does there have to be a month long multi-tiered playoff system? Why can't there be other games where teams win and get to achieve something for their hard work, even if it isn't a National Championship? Why can't there be just one championship game?

People assume that if you have a playoff, you would have an Alabama/Texas match-up. But what would happen if someone like a 8-4 Southern Cal team all of a sudden got hot, and then reeled off four straight wins? Do they really deserve to be the National Champion over a team like an Alabama? I don't think they should, but that is a possibility if you have a playoff. You could have a team that didn't even win its conference win the NC. That to me seems more jacked up than the system in place.

A playoff would also end the conference championship games in all likelihood. I can't see why a conference would want two of their top teams to play an emotional and difficult game right before the playoffs, not to mention the obvious time constraints so that the college season doesn't go on until the middle of January.

Plus, even if you have a playoff, there's going to be arguements about who should have been that 16th team and if all of the teams in the playoff deserve to be there in the first place.

A playoff sounds good, but it would not be without problems.

And I'll be honest if they did away with the bowls, I would be at least a little bit disappointed.
 

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A playoff system would not be good for either MSU or OM. When we qualify for one, the bowl system allows us to compete and win our final game of the year. Plus, a playoff system makes the regular season and conference championship games less interesting. Every game means something right now...ask Florida.
 

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Plus, do you have the money to spend on tickets and travel to playoff games, week to week, during December?
 

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I mean.... most of these games mean nothing to me but I still enjoy bowl season. I'm getting used to my team not making a bowl game and watching all of this go down. I just like watching college football over the holidays and I am assuming most people on this board would agree with me. Not that I really care.... but I DO enjoy watching the PAC 10 get their asses bent over and raped with sandpaper by the Mountain West. It makes me happy to see this happen to any BCS conference other than the SEC.

To me, this bowl season is just like any other bowl season. Lifetime shows chick flicks all day for people who do not enjoy watching college football. Have you tried that channel out? I can send you some live Panic shows if you are bored.... just saying. Assuming that Hatfield is the same Hatfield that I am thinking of, you might enjoy the Starkville show at the MSU amphitheatre.
 
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I like the bowls. I think it's kind of fun to watch a school like MTSU win a championship.

When did this happen?

I think the beauty of it is a team can have a good season and go out a winner. You can't say that about basketball or baseball. You can say, but you play the game for the championship and nothing else. Well, it's not like there is no championship or ultimate champion- there is a BCS Championship Game. Why does there have to be a month long multi-tiered playoff system? Why can't there be other games where teams win and get to achieve something for their hard work, even if it isn't a National Championship? Why can't there be just one championship game?

I'm in favor of having the playoff system AND other bowl games. Hell, if we really wanted to, I'm sure we could figure out a way to allow the teams that lose in the first round of the playoffs play in a bowl game so they feel better about themselves.

People assume that if you have a playoff, you would have an Alabama/Texas match-up. But what would happen if someone like a 8-4 Southern Cal team all of a sudden got hot, and then reeled off four straight wins? Do they really deserve to be the National Champion over a team like an Alabama? I don't think they should, but that is a possibility if you have a playoff. You could have a team that didn't even win its conference win the NC. That to me seems more jacked up than the system in place.

I haven't seen anybody says that is what would happen if you have a playoff. What people say is that a playoff would prevent what we have now...teams that haven't been beaten being left out.

Does anybody take credit away from the Giants for beating the Patriots a few years ago? No. Nobody takes the credit away from a wild card team that makes the run to the Super Bowl.

Would you argue that the Chargers shouldn't be allowed to win the Super Bowl this year because Indianapolis had a better regular season? How did you feel about a 2 loss LSU team winning the National Championship a few years ago? They lost TWICE during the "knockout regular season" that supposedly exists today! And in fact, at one point, a team that didn't win its conference had a chance to win the national championship...that is until they made one of the many many "tweaks" to the system.

And if we wanted to, we could put a system in place that only allows conference champions. Like the BCS has, we would adjust the playoff system after every year a flaw is exposed.

A playoff would also end the conference championship games in all likelihood. I can't see why a conference would want two of their top teams to play an emotional and difficult game right before the playoffs, not to mention the obvious time constraints so that the college season doesn't go on until the middle of January.

I don't think that has to be the case. Again, if a system was designed that favored conferences having championship games then they wouldn't change. And the championship game is January 8th this year. We are pretty damn close to "middle of January." And those teams will have been off for more than a month since their last games! I don't think the calender is a problem at all. In fact, I think you couild put a system together where the college national championship is played the day before the Super Bowl! Admittedly, they'd have to stop playing the Super Bowl in March in order for that to happen!

Can you imagine the weekend that would be if the college playoff championship game was played the night before the Super Bowl? That would be one helluva football weekend!

Plus, even if you have a playoff, there's going to be arguements about who should have been that 16th team and if all of the teams in the playoff deserve to be there in the first place.

That is a fair point and will not be avoidable unless there is some drastic overhual of college football. However, I think we could also agree that it would be much easier to let teams 12 to 20 argue about who should or shouldn't be in the playoff. At least a good number of teams would have a chance to play their way into the championship game. You don't have that now! Now, we are stuck with several teams that have yet to lose a game which will not get a shot at a championship.

And I'll be honest if they did away with the bowls, I would be at least a little bit disappointed.

I see no reason why they would have to get rid of the bowls.

And I'd also argue that Ole Miss and MSU would have a better shot at a championship via playoff as opposed to the current system. As it stands now, Ole Miss and State would have to start out hot and run the table until the championship game. I think it would be much more likely that they could get "hot at the right time" and sneak into a playoff and stay hot.
 

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just like I do the regular season. Some I don't. But I would like some sort of playoff. It wouldn't mean the end of the lower tier bowls as they could go on as the NIT does in basketball. So everyone could be happy. It will probably happen one day. Hope I'm still alive.
 

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SirBarksalot, would you really take NFL over college?! Wow, I don't know many people from Mississippi or the South for that matter that would say that. NFL is an urban based company, as College Football has rural ties in the south and Urban ties as well.
 

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SirBarksalot, would you really take NFL over college?! Wow, I don't know many people from Mississippi or the South for that matter that would say that. NFL is an urban based company, as College Football has rural ties in the south and Urban ties as well.
Yes. Without a doubt. Not to say I dont enjoy watching college, i just like NFL much more. I wasnt always that way, but in the last 5 or 6 years ive become that way.
College football is a nasty business. All the ******** with recruiting, shady coaches, etc...i find it unappealing. Not to mention the inequity and disparity between the top powers and the also-ran, occasionally competitive schools like State.
 

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I really enjoy bowl season. Last nights Clemson - Kentucky game was really good. I watch all the SEC games and thus feel connected to my native south.

Looking forward to GA - A and M, FLA/Cincy, OM/Okie State, and especially the national championship game where I will definitely be wearing burnt orange.

I just hope Dan the Man can lead us to one next year - I'll be there from CO - wherever and whenever!

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I just don't get how a playoff system would dilute the regular season. I realize that it does that for professional sports, but the difference here is you aren't picking all the participants from a pool of 32 teams. You'd have all the major BCS conferences plus the teams like Boise State, Utah, Cincy, TCU, etc as well. In other words, the teams would still have tremendous pressure on them to win week to week.
 

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but not as much as there is now. The more teams you put in a playoff, the more room for error you have in the regular season. As it is now, it doesn't matter who you are, if you lose a game you are on the outside looking in. To some extent, every undefeated team (okay not every team.... but every BCS team.... okay not EVERY BCS team [I am for a plus one aka 4 team playoff to include more undefeated teams]) is playing for their shot at the National Title every single week. Maybe some of you don't think you'd lose anything by a loss or two or three being okay..... that's fine. But to me, you lose a lot.
 

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Its week 16 in the NFL...id say there are still a lot of regular season games with a lot of importance....wasnt trying to start a college playoff debate, but just saying.
 

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The fact that there are 5 undefeated teams right now and only 2 get a chance at a national title. The current system doesn't have to change at all. You only have to add 2 games in fact. You have an 8 team playoff with the first round games being the Sugar, Rose, Orange, and Fiesta Bowls. You have 2 semi-final games and then you have your National Title game. The other bowls can stay as they are for all I care.

The regular season is great in college football, but it's not going to be devalued any if you only put 8 teams in the playoff. As someone stated earlier, a 2-loss LSU team won the national title 2 years ago. How can someone not agree that it would be incredibly badass to extend the season 3 more weeks? I just think the bowl system is outdated and boring nowadays.