Paul Finebaum about football
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Wher and why are using 6.5??? We have a lot more than that fir the 24/25 recruiting cycle portal included
Collectives are going away any NIL deal will have to through a clearing house. Players will have a market value in the clearing house
You know some people like more than one sport and I apologize if you played right field in little league but get over it. We should strive for every team to perform well. You know for all the money om spent on football they didn’t play for all the marbles. They only managed to beat poor ole us by 10 and 12 pts last two years. If not for some bs roughing the qb call 2 years ago they probably wouldn’t have won that game. If we put all the money from all the sports together we probably wouldn’t win many recruiting battles in today’s world. Be less douchey downing a sport that does bring positive vibes to msu.
And again, those with NIL money will still get those players paid while we can't afford them. It's not going to change. We threw our NIL under the BC and no longer even control the sports we contribute to. It's not a draft and free agency will still be nonstop. There's no salary cap to stop the spending by a limited number of teams either.
I don’t think fans care more about the niche sports. They care about a serviceable product. Which we have not had recently in football.
The niche sports have been more competitive, so naturally people gravitate towards those.
And the difference from those years until now are all due to leadership. Poor and ineffective leadership. From who, I do t know but that’s the difference.
That’s a number someone made up from the 23/24 cycle. I know Charlie is not gonna give a number but I can say with confidence that we were miles ahead of 6.5.
Every school is bringing the collective in house…. SEF/BC will be working on Rev share BI will be recruiting business to help with actual NIL deals. And the clearing house will go through each deal and have stiff penalties from my understanding including fines if they pay above market value . Each deal will have to go through this. No more collectives pay for play
We lost both Mullen and Leach the seasons before the best teams they’d ever assembled here took the field. Then we made two disastrous hires to replace both and literally got nothing out of either team. Every bit of the blame for both is on the plastic man that lives by the pond.
Leach’s system was always gonna leave a crater in the program unless we kept running it. We hired the wrong guy and he abandoned it completely. And that’s why we have had 2 shìtty seasons.
As for falling behind the rest of the SEC…. We are terrified of hiring known character risks that we know will win. Look at the pigs and Petrino, Rebs and Kiffin, Auburn and Freeze, etc. There’s no such thing as cheating these days, and absolutely no penalty for hiring an abject piece of shìt to coach. Leach was a knife in a gunfight compared to each of these guys, whether you loved him or not. We need a win-at-all-costs scumbag like the other guys have.
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The Programs each respective coach took over was the knife or the gun not the coach. Like it or not we are the poorest school in the sec in the nil era. Leach would be hell on wheels at Auburn. Freeze would struggle to go 6-6 here.
A) Big money schools would never hire Leach. They can just buy their players and not have to scheme around the gaps like his system did.
B) Freeze is barely going 6-6 at Auburn.
whether big money schools would hire Leach or not is not the question, it’s whether an nil poor program limits the coach, in this case it certainly does. Leach at Auburn getting unlimited nil to assemble his O line, quarterback of choice and receiving corps would be hell on wheels. There isn’t a bigger money school right now than Texas Tech.
right now none of the top in state players can be kept in this program, it’s not like the old days where they would stay in state for a car. A guaranteed 500 k contract is what it takes and we will never have that money like Auburn and other schools do.
its this program and The lack of money that would determine whether the coach is a knife or gun. leach went 11-2 at tech playing in the best division in football at the time, the big 12 south. Took a 9-40 program to 11-2 at wsu. He sure as hell could assemble a winner with unlimited nil money in this era.
He obviously reads our
Did he not hear about our led lights.
I’m done arguing about a subject I couldn’t care lesss about. But, even Mullen wouldn’t be vacuuming in recruits at Florida because he hates recruiting, much like Leach did. All the money in the world wouldn’t change that.
I think the gap either stays the same or gets bigger after revenue sharing. Texas will just add the $15M to the $22M they're paying now to get to $37M. State will likely only add $8.5M to the $6.5 we're spending now to get to the $15M minimum, and the gap grows. But best case State adds $15M to get to $21.5M and the gap stays the same.
it starts at the top.
We could have hired Kiffin when we hired Moorhead. He had just gone 11-3 in his 1st season at Florida freaking Atlantic & stayed there 2 mir years.
Stop with this BS 6.5. We are miles ahead of 6.5. No thanks to you, who has admitted they stopped giving.
We are in a very competitive position.. With the 21 Rev share and what we have and will be an even bigger player. Stop with we are some sister of the poor
I'll give you the 2018 team, but the 2023 team had about 2 more wins tops with Leach.
So far he’s 0 for 2 on that. Funny how things change when his recruiting tactics get legalized & levels the playing field.
Well, we have the smallest budget in the SEC, but we act like we can out-spend blue bloods in a non-revenue sport like baseball. It makes State fans feel good to think we can throw money around, but with our limited budget it’s a huge mistake. When the reaping comes, NO ONE will care how good our baseball program is. We will end up with the best baseball facilities in the Sun Belt.
This is what I keep coming back to. We’ve never had the same resources as the big schools. We’ve never recruited in the top 10, 15 or even 20 consistently. This is not new.
But for close to 15 years we were pretty good. Consistently made bowl games, sometimes even decent bowl games. And it wasn’t just because we had the greatest coach in history. Mullen was great, but we made 5 straight bowls *after* he left.
And I know none of that was after NIL became the raging poo show it is now. But the point is that we were poor then (relative to the SEC) and we’re poor now. Our place in the pecking order hasn’t changed. But our mentality has.
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I believe that very same thing drove Saban out of the game. He still got his guys, but a lot of schools were able to get into the game. He lost his on-field advantage. I hope Bama fans understands that. I really hope they don't and go through about 10 different coaches.
2016:
Stricklin leaves for Florida. Instead of having a serious search for an AD, we promote our baseball coach, even after the Clarion Ledger gets ran through the mud by State's media department saying that Cohen wasn't a candidate.
This is problematic, Mullen and Cohen already had a, lets say, a difficult relationship before he became Mullens boss. Mullen then finally bolts a year later after a successful year.
2017-2019
Cohen hires Moorhead (the current head coach of the worst team in the FBS and recently thrown under academic probation) after Mullen bolts. Hot boards at the time include names such as Napier, Sarkesian, Clawson, Pruitt, and Satterfield. His tenure includes Tutorgate (noticing a pattern with Moorhead?) and poorly coached players. He shows his *** at a press conference after the Egg Bowl, Cohen panics, we fire him a month later and are behind the 8 ball hiring a coach that cycle.
2020-2022
Leach era starts rough but shows promise toward the end. During this tenure NIL is given the free for all from the NCAA, our AD thinks we will get by signing baseball while other schools are going scorched earth jumping on board with established collectives. We essentially brought a pillow to a gun fight early on and are still behind the eight ball with it. Leach passes away and we do not have a AD in place. Football boosters push for the hiring of Arnett and it gets Keenums golden seal of approval. He is fired less than a year later.
2023-Now
Lebby, a first time head coach, is brought to do a multi year cleanup. With this comes also a first time Defensive coodinator who folks at Bama had never hardly heard of. The results of a multi year **** show come due the next year in 2024.
Yeah, we aren't a serious program.
Stricklin leaves for Florida. Instead of having a serious search for an AD, we promote our baseball coach, even after the Clarion Ledger gets ran through the mud by State's media department saying that Cohen wasn't a candidate.
This is problematic, Mullen and Cohen already had a, lets say, a difficult relationship before he became Mullens boss. Mullen then finally bolts a year later after a successful year.
2017-2019
Cohen hires Moorhead (the current head coach of the worst team in the FBS and recently thrown under academic probation) after Mullen bolts. Hot boards at the time include names such as Napier, Sarkesian, Clawson, Pruitt, and Satterfield. His tenure includes Tutorgate (noticing a pattern with Moorhead?) and poorly coached players. He shows his *** at a press conference after the Egg Bowl, Cohen panics, we fire him a month later and are behind the 8 ball hiring a coach that cycle.
2020-2022
Leach era starts rough but shows promise toward the end. During this tenure NIL is given the free for all from the NCAA, our AD thinks we will get by signing baseball while other schools are going scorched earth jumping on board with established collectives. We essentially brought a pillow to a gun fight early on and are still behind the eight ball with it. Leach passes away and we do not have a AD in place. Football boosters push for the hiring of Arnett and it gets Keenums golden seal of approval. He is fired less than a year later.
2023-Now
Lebby, a first time head coach, is brought to do a multi year cleanup. With this comes also a first time Defensive coodinator who folks at Bama had never hardly heard of. The results of a multi year **** show come due the next year in 2024.
Yeah, we aren't a serious program.
For some reason, I doubt PAUWWWWWWLLLLLL has any special knowledge about the commitment level of our football team. If he is asserting that our athletic department does not appear to be exhibiting traits that lead to creating winning programs, I think that may very well be true, and so obvious as to not be newsworthy.
I hope they go through one coach a year for the next 75 years.
I don't think it takes any special knowledge to know our commitment level in football is at an all time low.
That's not what's going happen. It's basically base pay plus NIL. KY just privatized their stuff. And the pay ranking stuff won't happen but even if it does, we can't pay the big price tags still, so same thing we see now. Until MSU starts giving a crap about football and marketing etc. revenue won't improve. Those facility improvements are going to be hard to do anytime soon too. We don't even do naming rights yet like a lot of schools.