Pippen: MJ was the best SCORER, but Lebron may be the best PLAYER EVAR

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[RebelBruiser]

I think what Pippen is getting at is that Lebron has everything Jordan had as far as skillset, but he has it on an even bigger/stronger body, so he has physical tools that allow him to overpower players more than Jordan ever could.

People keep forgetting the Lebron is still only 26. Jordan was just starting to come into his own at 26. Jordan won all 6 of his titles between ages 28 and 36.

Lebron is still developing his game, and he's showing flashes of being that great.

 

[Foronce]

and while I hate basketball and don't watch it, I think Pippen went a little far considering Lebron has <4 titles

but i will say greenie and the others were not talking about EVER and pippen may have missed spoke, ...but greenie was trying to say if he is tops in defense, scoring and rebounding better than anyone else he may the best in the nba right now and the other two wouldn't go there because kobe has so many rings

for lebron to pass Jordan in my eyes, he is going to have to carry a team on his back for at least 2 titles and blow mike's stats out of the water ...winning one with this heat team isn't close to what jordan and pippen accomplished in the 90s to me with the teams they had

 

[Hanmudog]

I think what Pippen is getting at is that Lebron has everything Jordan had as far as skillset, but he has it on an even bigger/stronger body, so he has physical tools that allow him to overpower players more than Jordan ever could.

People keep forgetting the Lebron is still only 26.<font color="#cc0000"> Jordan was just starting to come into his own at 26</font>. Jordan won all 6 of his titles between ages 28 and 36.

Lebron is still developing his game, and he's showing flashes of being that great.

Jordan scored 63 in the playoffs against the Celtics his second year in the NBA. His third year he averaged 37ppg. LeBron has not done jack **** that Charles Barkley or Karl Malone didn't do. LeBron will never have the heart that Jordan had.

If youhave two equal teams and I have a choice of Jordan or LeBron. I will take Jordan every time and give you LeBron and I know just who would come out on top.

 

[KurtRambis4]

more bruiser posts, the more and more it's obvious it get's his talking points from sportscenter and watching 5-6 playoff games a year. I don't know what the hell he would do without nba.com to check stats.

 

[Mullenation]

smoking that herb cause his memory is a little fuzzy. If Lebron gets 6 rings and 6 finals mvps then we can start talking about GoAT

 

[Maroon Eagle]

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[VirgilCain]

This is a video excerpt from some ESPN documentary on Jordan. I really could care less about Jordan being a dick, but I just wanted to post this cause I love the anecdote about a confrontation between Bill Cartwright and Jordan at about 20-25 second mark.

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[MStateFan22]

Exactly what I've been saying to one of my friends for 2-3 years now. MJ is no doubt the better scorer, but Lebron is better all around. People can talk about rings all they want but it's got more to do than just rings. Don't forget MJ played with two other hall of famers and one of the greatest coaches of all time.

 

[Hanmudog]

Exactly what I've been saying to one of my friends for 2-3 years now. MJ is no doubt the better scorer, but Lebron is better all around. People can talk about rings all they want but it's got more to do than just rings. Don't forget MJ played with two other hall of famers and one of the greatest coaches of all time.

If we are now talking about all around better players then Magic and Bird were both better than LeBron. Damn did you people just start watching the NBA with 4 minutes to go in the Bulls/Heat game last night?

Just when I am calming down about the discussion of Nowitzki being better than Bird, we get this insanity about LeBron being better than Jordan.

 

[jakldawg]

that's the vibe I'm getting here.

 

[Requiem For A Dawg]

before games Lebron is dancing around and taking fake photos of his teammates. Jordan is way too INTENTS for that.

 

[lawdawg02]

Don't forget MJ played with two other hall of famers

I got Pippen, but I can't think of the other...

Kukoc?- maybe the EuroHOF. BJ Armstrong? Will Perdue? Luc Longley? Surely not Dennis Rodman.</p>

 

[dawgstudent]

but I highly doubt he would have been hall of fame material without Jordan.

 

[VirgilCain]

The whole buzz about Lebron's awesomeness right now is that, unlike the players he is most compared to (Jordan & Kobe), he has the ability to defensively "shutdown" the 17ing MVP of the league (which btw, was awarded based on Rose's offensive prowess). Not too mention his (Lebron's) willingness to so and dominate other roles of the game even though he is a franchise player (for example, remember Kobe's titty-baby years when Shaq was the leader of the Lakers?)

I get the impression that you are one of those "you crazy kids... back in my day... uphill bothways..." kinds of people. Apparently to you, everything was better in the past and every major sport is on the decline.

 

[dawgstudent]

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[MStateFan22]

Exactly what I've been saying to one of my friends for 2-3 years now. MJ is no doubt the better scorer, but Lebron is better all around. People can talk about rings all they want but it's got more to do than just rings. Don't forget MJ played with two other hall of famers and one of the greatest coaches of all time.

If we are now talking about all around better players then Magic and Bird were both better than LeBron. Damn did you people just start watching the NBA with 4 minutes to go in the Bulls/Heat game last night?

Lebron would have his way against Bird and Magic.

Edited for spelling. Blaming it on phone.

 

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[KurtRambis4]

was inducted this year. I don't get where (not you) people are forgetting about Jordan's D. He played pretty damn good defense. Now he wasn't as big as Lebron, physically. I guess Lebron has that over him.

 

[dawgstudent]

the fact he can play straight up against someone as quick as Rose is amazing. But if I had to choose between Lebron right now or Jordan in his prime - I choose MJ every day of the week.

 

[MStateFan22]

But either way he was still a hell of a player on rebounds and defense.

 

[AlCoDog]

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[skb124]

The rings argument is BS. Always has been, always will be. Yes great players generally win championships, but it is not the deciding factor. So many more factors go into winning championships than who is the better player. Its the same argument with Marino in football. He had all the numbers but no rings and so people discount him. Nobody looks at the supporting casts in these situations. Marino had no one and Lebron has had no one. Now look what he does when he actually has teammates. They are not only winning, they are dominating. They have beaten the Celtics and Bulls in 5 games. If it were all about rings Robert Horry would be as great as MJ. The rings argument is a cop out.

 

[Dawg in a pile]

But either way he was still a hell of a player on rebounds and defense.

The reason that sack of **** could be so good on rebounds and defense was because that is all he did, and the reason for that is because Jordan was basically worth two players on offense and still damn good on defense. That allowed rodman to come in and only play some defense and crash the boards to get rebounds. He never had to play offense because Jordan was that damn good. <div>
</div><div>Another thing in this comparison of Jordan and lebron that doesn't have anything to do with their ability but still important in my opinion is that Jordan got half the TV owning world to start caring about the NBA, lebron got half the TV owning world to stop.</div>

 

[hotdigitydog]

one of the 50 best NBA players of all time........How many rings did he get w/o MJ? That's what I thought......What people seem to forget about MJ is how good he was defensively......The best defensive guard of all time......LeBron ain't MJ........PERIOD!!!!

 

[VirgilCain]

Me thinks his media popularity artificially inflated his successes that year.

 

[AlCoDog]

A cop out? Supporting cast? Who did Jordan have? Pippen? Big ****. Pippen can't even hold onto millions of dollars Michale Jordan made for him. And we're not talking about 1 ring. We're talking about 6 RINGS. And Dwayne Wade has a ring without Lebron, so if the Heat win it, it's certainly not in the same world as Jordan and the Bulls.

And Dan Marino kissed a man, so I don't know that you should be using him in any argument. Aslo, Clayton and Duper are certainly not "no one" Give me a break.</p> And let me add that Jordan would never have pulled the dog and pony show Lebron theattention whorepulled last year. Lebron knew he would have to have helpto ever win one. Jordan just said, 17 this, I'll do it by myself and I'll do it 6 times. If Lebron were half as good and important as he thinks he is, people wouldn't even remember Michael Jordan's name.

 

[Hanmudog]

The whole buzz about Lebron's awesomeness right now is that, unlike the players he is most compared to (Jordan & Kobe), he has the ability to defensively "shutdown" the 17ing MVP of the league (which btw, was awarded based on Rose's offensive prowess). Not too mention his (Lebron's) willingness to so and dominate other roles of the game even though he is a franchise player (for example, remember Kobe's titty-baby years when Shaq was the leader of the Lakers?)

<font color="#cc0000">I get the impression that you are one of those "you crazy kids... back in my day... uphill bothways..." kinds of people. Apparently to you, everything was better in the past and every major sport is on the decline.</font>

And I get theimpression that you never watched the NBA in the 80's and 90's.LeBron has done nothing in the NBA thatmany, many players have not done before. Karl Malone won an MVP, a scoring title, and lost in the Finals too.

This is getting ridiculous every time some of you see a guy play well on TV then suddenly he is the GoAT. Jordan was much more than just a scorer. His scoring was just so great that it overshadowed the other things he did well. Anyone that thinksJordan did not have a great all around game is just clueless.

 

[DiligenceDawg]

How many did MJ have without pippen?

Its ignorant to argue between MJ and Lebron. When both are retired then MAYBE you can compare them. In both of their primes it would be a coin flip and that's just how it is. If it was a last second shot, even with lebrons recent success, it is a no brainer to go MJ. If facilitating is needed I'd take lebron.

Comparing players from different eras is always impossible and that wont change... so with that said. Enjoy watching the heat run things for a while.

 

[MStateFan22]

But either way he was still a hell of a player on rebounds and defense.

The reason that sack of **** could be so good on rebounds and defense was because that is all he did, and the reason for that is because Jordan was basically worth two players on offense and still damn good on defense. That allowed rodman to come in and only play some defense and crash the boards to get rebounds. He never had to play offense because Jordan was that damn good. <div>
</div><div>Another thing in this comparison of Jordan and lebron that doesn't have anything to do with their ability but still important in my opinion is that Jordan got half the TV owning world to start caring about the NBA, lebron got half the TV owning world to stop.</div>

He won 3 titles without MJ. Two time defensive player of the year without MJ. 7 time 1st team all defense( 5 of the 7 without MJ.) 7 time rebounding champion( 2 without MJ.) Rodman was a good defensive/rebounding player because that is what he was good at (with or without MJ.) Aren't players suppose to play to their abilities and do what they are good at?

 

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[hotdigitydog]

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[War Machine Dawg]

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[VirgilCain]

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[dawgstudent]

you are saying the only reason he won it is because he won other awards? Do you realize the voting takes place before the playoffs so their run into the playoffs has no bearing.

 

[VirgilCain]

And I get the impression that you never watched the NBA in the 80's and 90's.

Do you also get that impression about Scottie Pippen?

LeBron has done nothing in the NBA that many, many players have not done before. Karl Malone won an MVP, a scoring title, and lost in the Finals too.

I have no idea what you're even talking about here.... I agree, i guess...?

This is getting ridiculous every time some of you see a guy play well on TV then suddenly he is the GoAT

Another excellent assumption..... but I didn't say it, Scottie Pippen did.

Jordan was much more than just a scorer.

Everyone in the world agrees

Anyone that thinks Jordan did not have a great all around game is just clueless.

Totally agree.... Has anyone actually suggested this? If so, where? <read with="with" a="a" sarcastic="sarcastic" tone="tone"></read>

 

[MedDawg]

and while I hate basketball and don't watch it, I think Pippen went a little far considering Lebron has <4 titles

but i will say greenie and the others were not talking about EVER and pippen may have missed spoke, ...but greenie was trying to say if he is tops in defense, scoring and rebounding better than anyone else he may the best in the nba right now and the other two wouldn't go there because kobe has so many rings

for lebron to pass Jordan in my eyes, he is going to have to carry a team on his back for at least 2 titles and blow mike's stats out of the water ...winning one with this heat team isn't close to what jordan and pippen accomplished in the 90s to me with the teams they had

It's apparent that the carrying that Lebron did with the Cavs was one of the best 'carrys' of all time. The Cavs went from 61-21 with Lebron to 19-63 without him.

Still, I think it's simplytoo early. Lebron MAY turn out to be better than MJ, but he's going to have to sustain or even improve his current production and success to equal MJ. We won't know forseveral more years.

Just like a few years agomany of us were convinced Tiger was CLEARLY the best golfer of all time. Today, not as many think so.