So much has happened over the last decade. There is so much to be said, yet so much that can't be captured with words.
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POLL: "Eye for an Eye," or "Turn the other Cheek?" 10 years later...
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Enough bad things can't happen to One Term Tommy, Sweaty Surma, Karen with the Flies on Her, Judas, Spuds, Furp Fina, and the rest of the bottom of the barrel gang. All despicable human beings.
“Eye for an eye” because f*ck ‘em. We can f*ck ‘em all while endeavoring to make Penn State a better place.
(Some here will tell us that trying to make Penn State a better place is a wasted effort because f*ck us. It only gets worse from here.)
(Some here will tell us that trying to make Penn State a better place is a wasted effort because f*ck us. It only gets worse from here.)
To a large extent, one has to forgive--for one's own personal benefit. To do otherwise is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die.
That said, I do want to see justice done, and forgiveness does not mean stupidity and letting folks do it to you again.
A personal example. We just began the endowment process for a named fund at the Indy Zoo. 20 years ago, that would have gone to a named scholarship at State. I do not trust the powers that be there to handle my money wisely. But I do still talk to the PSU folks in the "money raising" department, politely, as it's a chance to inform them of the issues that are still out there and the damage that was done.
That said, I do want to see justice done, and forgiveness does not mean stupidity and letting folks do it to you again.
A personal example. We just began the endowment process for a named fund at the Indy Zoo. 20 years ago, that would have gone to a named scholarship at State. I do not trust the powers that be there to handle my money wisely. But I do still talk to the PSU folks in the "money raising" department, politely, as it's a chance to inform them of the issues that are still out there and the damage that was done.
other- they won, got over it or don't- but realize that they won and we lost
Jesus turned the other cheek. I'm not him.
I believe very much in forgiveness. It has healing power and allows you to move on. But I don’t think forgiveness can be given to people who don’t acknowledge their misdeeds. The scumbags that orchestrated this have not acknowledged their misdeeds, nor have they suffered any consequences for their misdeeds. Until their is justice there cannot be forgiveness. From me at least.
I'll consider forgiveness when the perpetrators admit their wrongdoings... but that would be very difficult for me.
Sorry, New Testament... you obviously hadn't considered this sh-tfest.
Sorry, New Testament... you obviously hadn't considered this sh-tfest.
Agree with the posters above -- I'll forgive anyone who admits wronging PSU and the "PSU 4" but not without an admission
Forget forgiveness. Who is there to forgive? I just want to know the whole truth.
I'm no theologian, though I was a educated by some really solid ones. My interpretation of "turn the other cheek" is to not seek revenge or subsequent retaliation for a wrong done to you. IMO, It is not an act of revenge to report a crime or to testify in court against one who committed a crime.
Seeking justice and "righting a wrong" are not equal to revenge or retaliation. Those who committed crimes or destroyed lives through lies and deceit should be brought to justice.
Seeking justice and "righting a wrong" are not equal to revenge or retaliation. Those who committed crimes or destroyed lives through lies and deceit should be brought to justice.
I support efforts to restore Joe's good name and legacy but I see no meaningful movement in that direction and I am not in a position to do so myself. Beyond that, I just don't care. Let history, and God, judge those whose actions brought down an honorable man. There is little any of us can do.
I agree entirely, fair, and will add that any effort to restore Joe’s legacy or some other honor for his contributions to this university won’t happen until everyone connected with this disaster - his family, his coaches, their families, the BoT members, everyone you can think of - is long gone from this world.
Yeah, they had. Look at all of the persecution--not to mention their leader being tacked to a tree for one of the cruelest of punishments known to man. What happened to Joe, while bad, does not reach that level.
As long as one does not forgive, that means the perpetrators are still in one's head.
Exactly. It doesn't mean "forget" or "act like it never happened".
They don't win until it's over......if it's over for you, that's fine. For me, never.
I can forgive and possibly forget a lot of things but the way this situation was handled 10 years ago will never fall in to either category. I hope they all rot in hell.
I'll forgive the evil bastards when I see their filthy carcasses rotting at the end of ropes tied to streetlights on College Avenue
I am kind of with you as the primary interest. It is amazing in the era that we live (i.e. where it is almost impossible to keep a secret from the public) that we do not understand more facts. When I hear rumors like the Freeh "investigators" were intimidating Penn State employees, that sort of suggests intervention from the top. Again, that could all be urban legend. Given all the legal actions, it is amazing that the facts seem so sparse.
For me the facts are the predicate to the admission which is necessary to forgive. If nobody admits guilt, we do not know what to forgive.
At a higher level though, Penn State "leadership" (BoT and Senior leaders) seem to bend over and take whatever comes at them. They seem to hold all the Penn State community guilty to bad behavior (not including themselves) and accepts whatever punishment the world wants to hand us. Any ethics seminar I have attended always includes Penn State as the poster child. This leadership also is very obedient to any rule, regulation, etc, even when the rest of the college sports community will aggressively fight (i.e. UNC) and go outside the rules to gain advantage. I am surprised our leadership hasn't apologized for Penn State causing COVID.
the gap between public perception of Penn State and reality is as wide as the Grand Canyon. To me it is the role of our BoT and senior leadership to close that gap aggressively. Perhaps we should include PA state leadership in this as well.
Once the sun shines on the truth, everything else will sort itself out appropriately.
so true.......is anything going on that will bring that to light? for those of us who live far away from PA, it is a big unknown. those of you in SC probably see this a lot closer.
What reason would we have to expect that to happen at this point?
None. But hopefully, at some point, somebody who knows something will decide the time has come to tell the truth.
I’m in NC, not State College, so I really don’t know. But if something was going on, I think we’d have read it on one of the boards.
That would be one MM. But, if we're expecting honor from the likes of someone with a character such as his, that time will never come.
MM could clarify the V2 shower situation - and especially the date that it occurred. That isnt enough, though.
The OGBOT needs to explain why they imdenified TSM.
The OGBOT needs to explain why they paid exorbitant amounts of money to accusers without any questions asked.
FactFreeh needs to come back to campus - as he had promised - and have the Q&A session about his story.
LouAnn Simon needs to come to PSU for a Q&A session regarding her little escapades with Sexual Abuse.
Come to think of it, there are many people, groups who still need to confess to their sins
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