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POLL: Who is more valuable to MSU?

Who is more valuable to MSU?

  • Jans

    Votes: 96 89.7%

  • Lebby

    Votes: 11 10.3%
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aTotal360

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The talk of a pay raise for Jans on T&L got me wondering...

And why is one paid less than the other? IMO Jans should be paid more. He's the most consistent "revenue sport" coach we have.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Lebby is at 4.5M and Jans is at 4.2M. Doesn't make sense to me. Lebby's team does bring more money to the school, but that's by default. So did Arnett's team. That's a moot point.

Without Jans, our men's teams would be pretty meh. I think Lemo is a good coach, but he's not a huge fan of portal recruiting and NIL. Because of that, we tend to be inconsistent. Football is football. And Jans has shown us his ability to win and recruit. Pay the man. Don't let him slip off to a rival because we are scared to slightly overpay a coach.

I know some people will counter with "he's yet to win the big game". I get that. But I'd rather pay for consistency. Especially in this era of MSU athletics.
 
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aTotal360 said:
The talk of a pay raise for Jans on T&L got me wondering...

And why is one paid less than the other? IMO Jans should be paid more. He's the most consistent "revenue sport" coach we have.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Lebby is at 4.5M and Jans is at 4.2M. Doesn't make sense to me. Lebby's team does bring more money to the school, but that's by default. So did Arnett's team. That's a moot point.

Without Jans, our men's teams would be pretty meh. I think Lemo is a good coach, but he's not a huge fan of portal recruiting and NIL. Because of that, we tend to be inconsistent. Football is football. And Jans has shown us his ability to win and recruit. Pay the man. Don't let him slip off to a rival because we are scared to slightly overpay a coach.

I know some people will counter with "he's yet to win the big game". I get that. But I'd rather pay for consistency. Especially in this era of MSU athletics.
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Since nobody in their right mind wants Lebby, all of the focus has to be on trying to convince Jans to hang around. Unfortunately we’ve got a situation where there is no one with competency in a position to do that.

so, it’s Wade or bust after Jans bolts.
 
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Shmuley said:
Since nobody in their right mind wants Lebby, all of the focus has to be on trying to convince Jans to hang around. Unfortunately we’ve got a situation where there is no one with competency in a position to do that.

so, it’s Wade or bust after Jans bolts.
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Exactly. I bet Salmon won't be able to put up a fight when LSU calls Jans.
 
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Shmuley said:
Since nobody in their right mind wants Lebby, all of the focus has to be on trying to convince Jans to hang around. Unfortunately we’ve got a situation where there is no one with competency in a position to do that.

so, it’s Wade or bust after Jans bolts.
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Jans probably looks at state as a step in the direction he wants to be, not a place to build a sustained program. Shine while he's here, waiting for that next step up to appear.
 
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It's two completely different markets. Lebby is the lowest paid football coach in the SEC, except for Chris Lea at Vandy and that is probably about to change.

There are only 4 SEC basketball coaches who make more than Lebby, and only Calipari makes significantly more than Lebby.

Jans is the 10th highest paid SEC basketball coach, but it wouldn't even take $1 MM per year to move him into the top 5.

All that said, Lebby hasn't even earned his 15th place salary, while we should try to keep Jans happy. Has he earned one of the Top 5 salaries in the conference? Probably not....but would we offer him a $900K raise and tell him $1MM is just too much? I hope not.
 
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Look at it from another prospective besides winning/losing:

Lebby had a roster of 109 players this past season
Jans has a roster of 17 players this season

Lebby has a staff of 10 on the field coaches to manage
Jans has a staff of 6 on the court coaches to manage

Lebby has a supporting staff of 38
Jans has a supporting staff of 11


Think of the headaches that come from managing a business w/ 109 employees and 10 VPs versus 17 employees and 6 Vps. Which job would you want for $4+ million?
 
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aTotal360 said:
The talk of a pay raise for Jans on T&L got me wondering...

And why is one paid less than the other? IMO Jans should be paid more. He's the most consistent "revenue sport" coach we have.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Lebby is at 4.5M and Jans is at 4.2M. Doesn't make sense to me. Lebby's team does bring more money to the school, but that's by default. So did Arnett's team. That's a moot point.

Without Jans, our men's teams would be pretty meh. I think Lemo is a good coach, but he's not a huge fan of portal recruiting and NIL. Because of that, we tend to be inconsistent. Football is football. And Jans has shown us his ability to win and recruit. Pay the man. Don't let him slip off to a rival because we are scared to slightly overpay a coach.

I know some people will counter with "he's yet to win the big game". I get that. But I'd rather pay for consistency. Especially in this era of MSU athletics.
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Dawgzilla2 said:
It's two completely different markets. Lebby is the lowest paid football coach in the SEC, except for Chris Lea at Vandy and that is probably about to change.

There are only 4 SEC basketball coaches who make more than Lebby, and only Calipari makes significantly more than Lebby.

Jans is the 10th highest paid SEC basketball coach, but it wouldn't even take $1 MM per year to move him into the top 5.

All that said, Lebby hasn't even earned his 15th place salary, while we should try to keep Jans happy. Has he earned one of the Top 5 salaries in the conference? Probably not....but would we offer him a $900K raise and tell him $1MM is just too much? I hope not.
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I think Jans has earned it. Especially for doing it at MSU.

I just don't understand why our administrations from the dawn of time only want to pay someone their perceived worth.

It's similar high-paid QBs in the NFL. Sure your guy isn't Mahomes, but look at the alternatives.

If we lose Jans, what's left to get you excited about MSU athletics? Baseball is a 50/50 proposition. Football? Again, you have to look at the climate of MSU athletics as a whole. Overpay Jans because the next guy will be a Rick Ray clone.
 
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You answered your own question. Lebby brings in more money because football is the bigger sport and gets more butts in the seats.

But, if you extend value to encompass things like wins, national recognition, fan experience and engagement, then right now it's Jans by a mile. Hell, Lebby would be third to Lemonis in that regard.

Football is king though and if Lebby can make us winners then he'd be the most valuable coach we have.
 
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aTotal360 said:
The talk of a pay raise for Jans on T&L got me wondering...

And why is one paid less than the other? IMO Jans should be paid more. He's the most consistent "revenue sport" coach we have.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Lebby is at 4.5M and Jans is at 4.2M. Doesn't make sense to me. Lebby's team does bring more money to the school, but that's by default. So did Arnett's team. That's a moot point.
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The difference is that compared to football, basketball revenue is driven almost exclusively by TV. The capacity of the Hump is under 10k I think. You're looking at something like 18 home games (and that's including the off-campus Mississippi games as home games). If we played in front of completely empty crowds, that wouldn't have the financial impact that a bad stretch in football has, which can easily swing purchased tickets per game more than the entire capacity of the hump.

I'm all about paying Jans and think we can and should pay whatever anybody else is willing to pay him, which we will be able to do. If a big money school decides they want to promise him a bunch of NIL, they could be willing to go to a number we can't/won't match, and if he decides he just wants to go to a blue blood, there's not much we can do about that. But we should be able and willing to match whatever anybody else is going to be willing to pay him unless he does something like go to a couple of Final Fours.

But going from Jans to the next Rick Ray will not hurt us as much financially as going from Leach to Arnett to Lebby has, even though the former is a much bigger drop off than the latter.

I will say that I think being nationally competitive in basketball (like top ten consistently) and sucking in football is probably more valuable than being an average SEC team in both, but you'd have to look at marketing/reputation to justify that opinion, not just direct revenue.
 
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johnson86-1 said:
I will say that I think being nationally competitive in basketball (like top ten consistently) and sucking in football is probably more valuable than being an average SEC team in both, but you'd have to look at marketing/reputation to justify that opinion, not just direct revenue.
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I've been thinking about this a bit, particularly with some people suggesting we focus our NIL money on basketball and baseball for better ROI.

I don't think that works here. We have to work with the fan base we have, and we can't just insist everyone follow basketball and give up on football.

UK has survived for years spending top dollar on basketball and just getting by in football. But their fans are satisfied with that and have supported those priorities for many decades.

In MS, football Saturdays are the tradition. Our fans have shown they will support any of our teams that become national contenders, but they will fill up the entire campus for a football team that merely has a heartbeat.

You gotta give the people what they want, and our people want a football team that is .500 or better. If we can be treated to a Final Four run once every 30 years or so, that's just a bonus.
 
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Dawgzilla2 said:
but would we offer him a $900K raise and tell him $1MM is just too much? I hope not.
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Dawgzilla2 said:
I've been thinking about this a bit, particularly with some people suggesting we focus our NIL money on basketball and baseball for better ROI.

I don't think that works here. We have to work with the fan base we have, and we can't just insist everyone follow basketball and give up on football.

UK has survived for years spending top dollar on basketball and just getting by in football. But their fans are satisfied with that and have supported those priorities for many decades.

In MS, football Saturdays are the tradition. Our fans have shown they will support any of our teams that become national contenders, but they will fill up the entire campus for a football team that merely has a heartbeat.

You gotta give the people what they want, and our people want a football team that is .500 or better. If we can be treated to a Final Four run once every 30 years or so, that's just a bonus.
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I don't disagree with any of this. I like basketball more than football if you are just talking about watching it, but football is a social event in a way that basketball isn't. IF we are at least decent in football, every Saturday is basically a social event, even if you're not going to the game. Hard to enjoy getting together and watching games when MSU sucks.
 
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The conumdrum with Levee. We were competitive with teams we have no business being competitive with, we get blown out at home against Toledo and Ark.
 
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If this season is as special as it has the potential to be, we overpay Jans. Hard stop. You have to give the fans something to be excited about. I get if you had a choice of football or basketball being great you would obviously pick football, but that isn’t the situation here. We are dealing with a reality where football has a ceiling of average for the foreseeable future with awful being the more likely outcome. You need to keep basketball rolling.
 
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BulldogBlitz said:
Jans probably looks at state as a step in the direction he wants to be, not a place to build a sustained program. Shine while he's here, waiting for that next step up to appear.
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Hopefully the new administration puts together a package for him to stick around for a while. Not much we can do if a blue blood calls, but otherwise we should do everything we can to keep him. He can transform the program in the next 5-10 years.
 
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Mother 17er. In all my worst case scenario predictive run-throughs, I hadn't considered LSU until now. But now I know. Thank you.
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LSU is no blue blood in basketball. He could for sure win there, and he can for sure win here if he stays. Hopefully we're serious enough to fend them off.
 
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golferdog said:
LSU is no blue blood in basketball. He could for sure win there, and he can for sure win here if he stays. Hopefully we're serious enough to fend them off.
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LSU isn't a top-shelf blue blood in basketball, but many forget just how much success they've had over the years. They are certainly a rung or even 2 above us.
 
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aTotal360 said:
Yup. And our administrations have NEVER understood that. “We offered him as much as ‘SEC Team X’ but he ultimately wanted a change of scenery.” We have to offer coaches a premium to get them to stay. The job is harder.
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This, when we find a good coach, we should go all to keep him, especially if it's a big 3 sport. They don't come around often, so when you find one, you have to do everything you can to keep them and support that program. You can't make the coach stay if they want to leave, but paying them should not be the reason they leave. It's been proven that it's worth the effort to pay the coach, We should be able to find the money in a situation like that.
 
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golferdog said:
LSU is no blue blood in basketball. He could for sure win there, and he can for sure win here if he stays. Hopefully we're serious enough to fend them off.
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They have 7 players currently in the NBA, We have 1. Can you name the 1?
 
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HotMop said:
They have 7 players currently in the NBA, We have 1. Can you name the 1?
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I believe it's Q in the NBA, but not sure.

Regardless, LSU is not a blue blood. If we're serious about building a top level program, we should be willing to provide Jans what he needs to do that. If he wants to leave then he will, but money/support shouldn't be the issue he leaves. We all know LSU has more money and more successful, but our Admin should see the opportunity.
 
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golferdog said:
I believe it's Q in the NBA, but not sure.

Regardless, LSU is not a blue blood. If we're serious about building a top level program, we should be willing to provide Jans what he needs to do that. If he wants to leave then he will, but money/support shouldn't be the issue he leaves. We all know LSU has more money and more successful, but our Admin should see the opportunity.
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Did you guess Quinton Post?
 
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golferdog said:
LSU is no blue blood in basketball. He could for sure win there, and he can for sure win here if he stays. Hopefully we're serious enough to fend them off.
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I believe they have 4 Final 4's, but I'm not looking it up just to give them credit. Plus Shaq, Chris Jackson-Raouf, and Pistol Pete. I mean, they certainly have a history.

But I would say we care more about basketball than they do, too, so hopefully we can use that to build a strong foundation and this time keep the ride going for a while with this coach. Some of you more negative readers may interpret me saying "more about basketball" to also mean "less about football"... and I would understand why you might interpret it that way.
 
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