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According to this only the 50 mile radius population of Pullman WA, and Manhattan, KS are smaller than MSU. Pretty interesting The SEC as a whole is not located in great population centers. Thank goodness for television. Probably does have some relevance to local NIL.
 

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According to this only the 50 mile radius population of Pullman WA, and Manhattan, KS are smaller than MSU. Pretty interesting The SEC as a whole is not located in great population centers. Thank goodness for television. Probably does have some relevance to local NIL.
Those Ivy League teams are wasting so much potential **
 

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Rutgers is the sleeping giant
For years, I've wondered why Rutgers, UVA and Maryland weren't giants in every sport, especially football. I think it harkens back to the issue that pro sports are big deals in these areas?

Maybe there's only so much energy to expend to "fandom?"
 

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To me, the sleeping giant could be UNLV. Endless local supply of potential NIL money, large local population, large tourist population looking for entertainment, plays in a modern NFL stadium walking distance from the city's main attraction.......
Are they in a conference? Someone slick, like Lame, could probably build a monster there.
 

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It’s pretty incredible how well the University has done despite where it’s located. Unfortunately, it will always be an uphill battle being located in a small Mississippi town without much upside.
 

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According to this only the 50 mile radius population of Pullman WA, and Manhattan, KS are smaller than MSU. Pretty interesting The SEC as a whole is not located in great population centers. Thank goodness for television. Probably does have some relevance to local NIL.
600K around Oxford. Are 400 thousand of them living underground? 20% of the states population lives around Oxford? I guess straight line distance gets you part of Memphis and Tupelo.
 
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Maybe there's only so much energy to expend to "fandom?"
No doubt. Big population is good, but not has to have enough people who care enough to create a winning culture in whatever sport.

I’ve heard from our self loathing mouth breathers for years that anyone can recreate our baseball program. Yet not that many have been able. Guess it’s harder than it looks, huh?
 

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No doubt. Big population is good, but not has to have enough people who care enough to create a winning culture in whatever sport.

I’ve heard from our self loathing mouth breathers for years that anyone can recreate our baseball program. Yet not that many have been able. Guess it’s harder than it looks, huh?

Won't be hard at all with another year like we've had the last two.......
 
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It’s pretty incredible how well the University has done despite where it’s located. Unfortunately, it will always be an uphill battle being located in a small Mississippi town without much upside.
And With Alabama next door, stealing athletes and fans.
 

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It’s pretty incredible how well the University has done despite where it’s located. Unfortunately, it will always be an uphill battle being located in a small Mississippi town without much upside.
Definitely true. Swimming upstream forever, and that will continue.

Good news is, we aren't going anywhere, no matter what the doomsayers say. But until we get an influx of money and resources, it's going to be a tough life. I really really hope baseball stays good to give our fanbase something to cling to. And hopefully the GTR will keep growing.
 
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For years, I've wondered why Rutgers, UVA and Maryland weren't giants in every sport, especially football. I think it harkens back to the issue that pro sports are big deals in these areas?

Maybe there's only so much energy to expend to "fandom?
You said it -- there's a lot more going on in those areas: energy expended on things other than following high school players on social media and jock sniffing in general.
 

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I remember 15 or so years ago, a sports writer claimed it was so difficult to land a coach at MSU because it was the most remote university in the country.
He got all sorts of hell for it and arguments over it not being remote, but his point was valid, if population access is valued(and for many, it is).
As for if it was 1st or 2nd back then...if you was having to fight Washington State over remoteness, you have lost the fight.
 

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Thia thread make me curious about the Oktibbeha county population figures. So I gathered:

2010 47,671
2020 51,698
2021 51,808
2022 51,427

I'll be interested to see if 2023 brings another decrease. If so I'd assume the decade from 2020 to 2030 won't be as kind as 2010 to 2020. I'd hate to think 2021 is the peak of the population growth.
 
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Thia thread make me curious about the Oktibbeha county population figures. So I gathered:

2010 47,671
2020 51,698
2021 51,808
2022 51,427

I'll be interested to see if 2023 brings another decrease. If so I'd assume the decade from 2020 to 2030 won't be as kind as 2010 to 2020. I'd hate to think 2021 is the peak of the population growth.
Estimates for July 2023 will be released in late March.
 
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Thia thread make me curious about the Oktibbeha county population figures. So I gathered:

2010 47,671
2020 51,698
2021 51,808
2022 51,427

I'll be interested to see if 2023 brings another decrease. If so I'd assume the decade from 2020 to 2030 won't be as kind as 2010 to 2020. I'd hate to think 2021 is the peak of the population growth.
I can’t imagine the population truly went down. And with Steel Dynamics, I can’t see it staying that way even if it did. Census is notorious about messing up rural areas. And it’s not like property values are down.
 

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Are they in a conference? Someone slick, like Lame, could probably build a monster there.
If the Big 12 was smart, they'd already have UNLV. Along with Oregon State and Washington State. And then probably would have grabbed Boise State as well. They messed up by not getting SMU.

That's a solid 20-team conference with some good brand recognition. They would cement themselves as the #3 conference in the country behind the SEC and B1G. And while the ACC is over there fighting among itself when they lose 5-6 teams in the next few years, they would already have a head start on formulating rivalries, etc. And if the ACC comes calling for USF, Cincinnati and West Virginia, they would STILL have a very solid, contiguous conference that would hold up. Of course, I'd have some schools on speed dial in case that happened - probably San Diego State for one. Maybe New Mexico, Wyoming and/or Nevada to get some big 'state school' money.
 

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You have to have people that care about football to be a sleeping giant. Texas A&M is the sleeping giant. UNLV could be an upstart program. Maryland/Rutgers/Virginia? Fart. If they were gonna do it they'd have done it by now.
 

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First off, Pullman WA is no longer relevant. They are no longer a power conference university. So it’s really just KSU below us in this particular metric.

Secondly, 50 miles is a fairly arbitrary distance. You drop it to 40 or even increase it to 120, and Ole Miss looks about the same as us or maybe worse. Alabama also looks a lot worse if you shrink it to 40 and they lose most of the Bham metro.

In any case, this tells us not so much that we didn’t already know. Mississippi is a sparsely populated, mostly rural state. Water is wet.
 

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First off, Pullman WA is no longer relevant. They are no longer a power conference university. So it’s really just KSU below us in this particular metric.

Secondly, 50 miles is a fairly arbitrary distance. You drop it to 40 or even increase it to 120, and Ole Miss looks about the same as us or maybe worse. Alabama also looks a lot worse if you shrink it to 40 and they lose most of the Bham metro.

In any case, this tells us not so much that we didn’t already know. Mississippi is a sparsely populated, mostly rural state. Water is wet.
The only real big things to look at are these:

1) Your immediate metro area;
2) Proximity to the closest major metro population center, which really needs to be within 2 hours, so people can drive in and back to games.

We suck at both of those. Starkville and GTR, while growing, are small. Then you are a solid 2 hours to Jackson or Birmingham out of state. And in true MS fashion, Oxford's closest major metro is less than an hour, but to out-of-state Memphis. But they do have Desoto County, so that's a plus.

Moving back to K-State, Manhattan may not be very big, very they are within an hour of Topeka (232K metro) and within 2 hours of a huge, growing city. All right down the interstate. Yes, it's split between KS and MO, but take half of it, that's still a city of over a million people. And KC is melting pot from all over so it benefits all. Similar to how Atlanta benefits Clemson and Auburn in addition to Georgia and Georgia Tech. And this is closer than both Jackson and Birmingham. In addition, they don't a close competitor from out of state between them and that major city either. We have freaking Alabama. I mean prospective students from Huntsville and Birmingham have to drive through Tuscaloosa to get to Starkville, that is not ideal. Yes, I know you can take back roads but let's get real, most take the interstate to 82.

It's really unreal the population and resource disadvantages we have. We make up for it by having access to good football players, though. But that may be taken away now due to NIL.

Just never ends for us.
 

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No doubt. Big population is good, but not has to have enough people who care enough to create a winning culture in whatever sport.

I’ve heard from our self loathing mouth breathers for years that anyone can recreate our baseball program. Yet not that many have been able. Guess it’s harder than it looks, huh?
Other teams don't have to worry about recreating our program because they realize that 15k crowds don't equate to national championships. That has been part of the problem over the decades with MSU baseball fans is they care more about getting 15k crowds on SBW and the post season than they do what happens on the field in Omaha. It's fine to pat yourself on the back on being an attendance leader if that's what floats your boat but for a program that many of our own claim "invented SEC baseball", you would think they would aim a little higher.
 

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Other teams don't have to worry about recreating our program because they realize that 15k crowds don't equate to national championships. That has been part of the problem over the decades with MSU baseball fans is they care more about getting 15k crowds on SBW and the post season than they do what happens on the field in Omaha. It's fine to pat yourself on the back on being an attendance leader if that's what floats your boat but for a program that many of our own claim "invented SEC baseball", you would think they would aim a little higher.
Eh, I think you're being too harsh. That's our unique advantage. And granted, one advantage doesn't make a program, but it's all we have, along with winning tradition (much in part to our fan support). Other programs also have advantages that work, like Vandy's scholarships, and the California/Florida schools' overall access to big time talent. But we have great baseball culture here - and on any given year, when MSU offers a recruit, they are interested, for this very reason.

All this to say, I have NO IDEA why you or any other MSU fan would run down the one program where we have real pride and can say that we have been the nation's BEST TEAM. The state of Mississippi loves baseball, don't mess with that.
 
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Huntsville and Birmingham have to drive through Tuscaloosa to get to Starkville, that is not ideal. Yes, I know you can take back roads but let's get real, most take the interstate to 82.
Nobody from Huntsville goes through Birmingham / Tuscaloosa on the way to Starkville. It’s the longest possible route. No benefit at all to going that way unless you’re doing some shopping or some other specific side trip in Bham.
 

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600K around Oxford. Are 400 thousand of them living underground? 20% of the states population lives around Oxford? I guess straight line distance gets you part of Memphis and Tupelo.
Memphis Metro area is growing straight toward Oxford. Hernando is now the fastest growing city in Desoto County. Last metro population I heard was between 1.3 and 1.4 million. Inside the Memphis city limits is losing population, but the whole area around Memphis is growing significantly. I would suspect that Senatobia will start growing rapidly as well within the next 5 years.....then on towards Batesville within the next 10-15 years. I also expect east/northeast Memphis area going out toward Lakeland and Arlington will be booming soon with Ford's new Blue Oval City assembly plant set to open in the next few years near Stanton.
 

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Mississippi desperately needs financial and human capital. We should embrace immigration and actively seed to add hundreds of thousands of new people over the next several years. I don’t think immigrants are more risky than domestic migrants, but we ain’t exactly the first choice for domestic migration.
 

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Mississippi desperately needs financial and human capital. We should embrace immigration and actively seed to add hundreds of thousands of new people over the next several years. I don’t think immigrants are more risky than domestic migrants, but we ain’t exactly the first choice for domestic migration.
Latinos have a crime rate similar to whites but you have to have jobs for them. Those who come to America aren't highly educated. Not sure how you lure highly educated, talented immigrants outside of the big 3 university towns. Is Mississippi likely to create an urban center like Huntsville?
 

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Mississippi desperately needs financial and human capital. We should embrace immigration and actively seed to add hundreds of thousands of new people over the next several years. I don’t think immigrants are more risky than domestic migrants, but we ain’t exactly the first choice for domestic migration.
I only support LEGAL immigration. The illegal immigration going on now is despicable. Hope Trump gets elected and deports every single illegal immigrant. I welcome all immigrants who apply properly through our government and get vetted thoroughly. Half my family is from El Paso. Back in the 50's and 60's illegal immigration wasn't a problem. My grandfather used to tell me that every now and then a Mexican would attempt to cross the Rio Grande near downtown. Then the Border Patrol would tell them to stop and go back. If they didn't......they were shot dead. He told me that once they killed an illegal migrant, the Mexican Police let the body lay in the river or on the bank. Nobody tried to cross again for several months or years after seeing what happened. They say our population is declining by about a million per year. Guess what?.............we're aborting about a million babies a year. Go figure.
 

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Nobody from Huntsville goes through Birmingham / Tuscaloosa on the way to Starkville. It’s the longest possible route. No benefit at all to going that way unless you’re doing some shopping or some other specific side trip in Bham.
Weird thing to pick to argue about, but yeah, they actually do. Especially college kids. But even they do take the other routes (and spare me directions, I know them), you're still headed through the heart of Bama country.

The point here is that one of the most dominant sports machines is situated between us and a couple of our most regionally situated cities. It's not like Auburn and Atlanta, which is a straight shot with no other rivals in between. And it's much less than 2 hours, and it's interstate access.
 

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I only support LEGAL immigration. The illegal immigration going on now is despicable. Hope Trump gets elected and deports every single illegal immigrant. I welcome all immigrants who apply properly through our government and get vetted thoroughly. Half my family is from El Paso. Back in the 50's and 60's illegal immigration wasn't a problem. My grandfather used to tell me that every now and then a Mexican would attempt to cross the Rio Grande near downtown. Then the Border Patrol would tell them to stop and go back. If they didn't......they were shot dead. He told me that once they killed an illegal migrant, the Mexican Police let the body lay in the river or on the bank. Nobody tried to cross again for several months or years after seeing what happened. They say our population is declining by about a million per year. Guess what?.............we're aborting about a million babies a year. Go figure.
Our population isn't declining. Americans, like people elsewhere, are having fewer kids and by choice, shooting someone is murder whether they're crossing a border or not, abortions were declining even before the SC decision. "They" aren't often well informed. Be careful about trusting "they" and "them." And yes too many people come to the US illegally. Trump just lost a lot of money after a jury concluded he sexually assaulted someone and defamed her. I understand that he's losing some evangelical support so he likely needs to call some more women fat and ugly and maybe nail another porn star. Don't forget about what King David did.
 
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