Population

[OG Goat Holder]

Our population isn't declining. Americans, like people elsewhere, are having fewer kids and by choice, shooting someone is murder whether they're crossing a border or not, abortions were declining even before the SC decision. "They" aren't often well informed. Be careful about trusting "they" and "them." And yes too many people come to the US illegally. Trump just lost a lot of money after a jury concluded he sexually assaulted someone and defamed her. I understand that he's losing some evangelical support so he likely needs to call some more women fat and ugly and maybe nail another porn star. Don't forget about what King David did.

Yeah I don't know where he's getting that info about the population declining. Maybe he's been in Mississippi too long. People are having less kids for sure.

And folks don't understand that the reason immigration is an issue right now is because we don't have folks to work the jobs. When jobs stop hiring, immigration goes the OTHER way, i.e. folks bail out of the U.S.

 

[mstateglfr]

I only support LEGAL immigration. The illegal immigration going on now is despicable. Hope Trump gets elected and deports every single illegal immigrant. I welcome all immigrants who apply properly through our government and get vetted thoroughly. Half my family is from El Paso. Back in the 50's and 60's illegal immigration wasn't a problem. My grandfather used to tell me that every now and then a Mexican would attempt to cross the Rio Grande near downtown. Then the Border Patrol would tell them to stop and go back. If they didn't......they were shot dead. He told me that once they killed an illegal migrant, the Mexican Police let the body lay in the river or on the bank. Nobody tried to cross again for several months or years after seeing what happened. They say our population is declining by about a million per year. Guess what?.............we're aborting about a million babies a year. Go figure.

Some fun realities for your consideration...

- Legal immigration plummeted under Trump. Remember, you welcome and support legal immigration. Trump has said he will do the same thing, only even more extreme, if re-elected. Not sure how you align his record and promises for re-election with your support for legal immigration.
- Illegal/undocumented immigrant numbers stayed largely unchanged in the US under Trump. There was no massive reduction, even if that is a popular narrative now. Remember, you want Trump to be elected so he can deport every single illegal/undocumented immigrant. History says he was woefully unsuccessful the first time around.
- As an approach to reducing illlegal immigration, a wall doesnt exist now and is not realistic. It didnt work under previous presidents and didnt work under Trump. It cant be contiguous, it cant be maintained, and it is ineffective.
- The number of border crossings that are claiming asylum are exponentially higher now than a decade ago. I heard a stat that the number of asylum requests a decade ago equal what we now see in 2 days. The exponential increase isnt entirely because of Biden's administration, its because of a completely blundered and inconsistent immigration system.
- Speaker Johnson and many Republicans in the House publicly stated they will not accept a bipartisan border deal from the Senate. The deal would give Biden authority to shut down the border when crossings exceed predetermined daily and weekly numbers. Speaker Johnson denounced it and said it would be dead on arrival. Trump claimed the border bill is not necessary. Republicans have jumped on and attacked Senator Lankford(one of the most conservative members of the Senate) for supporting this border deal.
- How illegal border crossings were handled 70 years ago is of 0 worth right now. My gosh- 70 years ago the country still had laws that banned interracial marriage, education was legally segregated, computers didnt exist, and the Federal Highway Act hadnt even been created.



The red italicized point is something I really hope you consider. Something is being proposed that will help reduce border crossings, and it is being rejected by Republican leaders before the bill is even read.

 

[Podgy]

Dems are weak on the border and it's really the only popular Republican position that a really unpopular Republican candidate can use to win independents, the key to winning national elections. Our immigration system is complicated but, like the tax code, there are too many interests to make it more beneficial to the U.S. There really are too many asylum seekers. How dysfunctional are all these countries south of the border and why can't they get their shite together and create functioning societies? For all the crap America gets, our society words even with all the flaws and craziness. Members of various ethnic groups have much better lives and higher standards of living than their co-ethnics do from where they left. Yet we still have a bunch of fairytale theories about white supremacy and structural racism as though we should all head to the border to warn migrants not to come here because they're gonna be oppressed. They know better than sociology majors and profs which is why they're leaving their homelands to come here.

 

[leeinator]

Our population isn't declining. Americans, like people elsewhere, are having fewer kids and by choice, shooting someone is murder whether they're crossing a border or not, abortions were declining even before the SC decision. "They" aren't often well informed. Be careful about trusting "they" and "them." And yes too many people come to the US illegally. Trump just lost a lot of money after a jury concluded he sexually assaulted someone and defamed her. I understand that he's losing some evangelical support so he likely needs to call some more women fat and ugly and maybe nail another porn star. Don't forget about what King David did.

It was NOT murder to shoot and kill an illegal immigrant attempting to cross the border ILLEGALLY.....after being warned to turn around and go back in the 50's and 60's. The Border Patrol had authority to do so in that instance. Homicide yes, not murder. If in the future, illegal immigrants come to my house looking to steal food or other property, I will unload with a 12 ga. shotgun if they don't leave after receiving a warning from me. I have every right to defend myself and my property......and that goes for anyone attempting to threaten me or my family.And that too would be a homicide, not murder.

 

[mstateglfr]

It was NOT murder to shoot and kill an illegal immigrant attempting to cross the border ILLEGALLY.....after being warned to turn around and go back in the 50's and 60's. The Border Patrol had authority to do so in that instance. Homicide yes, not murder. If in the future, illegal immigrants come to my house looking to steal food or other property, I will unload with a 12 ga. shotgun if they don't leave after receiving a warning from me. I have every right to defend myself and my property......and that goes for anyone attempting to threaten me or my family.And that too would be a homicide, not murder.

Step back and look at what you are arguing over right now. You are splitting hairs between murder and homicide over shooting a human for crossing a river or a line in the dirt.

My goodness.

Illegal crossings are too frequent.
Legislators need to actually create good immigration reform that resolves many persistent issues.
The answer should not be 'shoot em'.

Your rant about illegals stealing food or property from you is completely beside the point.


I doubt you read my response to your earlier post where you seem to long for the days when people were shot at the border, but it bears repeating- the person you think will solve all this, and the legislative clowns that are already following him, are choosing to not support a deal that would help improve the issue you so clearly feel is of top importance.

 

[Podgy]

In a lot of instances, it's important to ask what Jesus would do. He'd protect the unborn and also shoot and kill migrants. Jesus hated migrants. It's in the Bible, somewhere in the middle.

 

[CoastTrash]

To connect this back to sports, let’s recruit some baseball players from Mexico , Japan and the DR.

 

[leeinator]

Step back and look at what you are arguing over right now. You are splitting hairs between murder and homicide over shooting a human for crossing a river or a line in the dirt.

My goodness.

Illegal crossings are too frequent.
Legislators need to actually create good immigration reform that resolves many persistent issues.
The answer should not be 'shoot em'.

Your rant about illegals stealing food or property from you is completely beside the point.


I doubt you read my response to your earlier post where you seem to long for the days when people were shot at the border, but it bears repeating- the person you think will solve all this, and the legislative clowns that are already following him, are choosing to not support a deal that would help improve the issue you so clearly feel is of top importance.

So when they show up at your house, threaten your life, and want your car, some cash or other valuables you worked hard for..... you're just going to let them have it? A group of them just attacked 2 NYC police officers and beat the hell out of them. Then the sweetheart DA (Alvin Bragg) lets them off with no bail. BTW, I just reported what they did in El Paso back in the 50's/60's......yes they did shoot them trying to cross the river. And of course, now that would never happen. Just shows where this country is headed and it ain't a good place.

 

[HRMSU]

Step back and look at what you are arguing over right now. You are splitting hairs between murder and homicide over shooting a human for crossing a river or a line in the dirt.

My goodness.

Illegal crossings are too frequent.
Legislators need to actually create good immigration reform that resolves many persistent issues.
The answer should not be 'shoot em'.

Your rant about illegals stealing food or property from you is completely beside the point.


I doubt you read my response to your earlier post where you seem to long for the days when people were shot at the border, but it bears repeating- the person you think will solve all this, and the legislative clowns that are already following him, are choosing to not support a deal that would help improve the issue you so clearly feel is of top importance.

I'm not interested in the extremes of this argument. In fact it's hard for me to fault families trying to get here for a better life. Heck, I live in TX and interact with undocumented migrants and most are the kindest most family centered hard working people I know....but and there's always a but let's not bury our heads in the sand and pretend that's all that is coming over illegally. Better said it's not your daddy's illegal immigration problem of the past but that's another discussion for another day.

The fact that either side and I really mean either side has to get some kind of deal to truly close our Southern or Northern border is absolutely ludicrous and should piss off every American citizen. The fact that either side can propose this and actually use it as political capital shows you how far "they" have divided "us." Mind boggling!

 

[HRMSU]

In a lot of instances, it's important to ask what Jesus would do. He'd protect the unborn and also shoot and kill migrants. Jesus hated migrants. It's in the Bible, somewhere in the middle.

Don't read the Old Testament....spoiler alert it's not pretty....so there is that brother****

 

[Podgy]

A group of them just attacked 2 NYC police officers and beat the hell out of them. Then the sweetheart DA (Alvin Bragg) lets them off with no bail.

It's NYC. They get to decide what to do. They'll deal with the consequences. Every day in America, some ******** happens that shouldn't. We're a big country so that's gonna happen. Ignore random incidents as though they have some larger meaning. Drag Queens were reading to kids in some states. Not many, only a few. It wasn't happening in my state and it wouldn't happen long in my state. We're a big country. Random shite that's absurd and unfair happens. But conservative media puts these things on blast and the base gets all aroused over random shite they have no control over and often gets resolved. Republicans who are concerned about the border might want to nominate a candidate who is popular nationally, isn't a lunatic, someone who didn't lose the last election, who didn't think Herschal Walker would make a good Senator, someone who didn't encourage idiots and people prone to making poor decisions to storm the capital and someone who doesn't dine with white supremacists and say immigrants are poisoning our blood (BTW, a lot of Latina's are hot. White guys love them some Latinas and Asian women).

 

[leeinator]

It's NYC. They get to decide what to do. They'll deal with the consequences. Every day in America, some ******** happens that shouldn't. We're a big country so that's gonna happen. Ignore random incidents as though they have some larger meaning. Drag Queens were reading to kids in some states. Not many, only a few. It wasn't happening in my state and it wouldn't happen long in my state. We're a big country. Random shite that's absurd and unfair happens. But conservative media puts these things on blast and the base gets all aroused over random shite they have no control over and often gets resolved. Republicans who are concerned about the border might want to nominate a candidate who is popular nationally, isn't a lunatic, someone who didn't lose the last election, who didn't think Herschal Walker would make a good Senator, someone who didn't encourage idiots and people prone to making poor decisions to storm the capital and someone who doesn't dine with white supremacists and say immigrants are poisoning our blood (BTW, a lot of Latina's are hot. White guys love them some Latinas and Asian women).

i don't give a damn who's hot and who's not. I do give a damn if my semi-automatic 12 ga. with a 25 rd. drum mag works when it will be needed. I have 2 drum mags, so odds are, one will work just fine. {)

 

[mstateglfr]

So when they show up at your house, threaten your life, and want your car, some cash or other valuables you worked hard for..... you're just going to let them have it? A group of them just attacked 2 NYC police officers and beat the hell out of them. Then the sweetheart DA (Alvin Bragg) lets them off with no bail. BTW, I just reported what they did in El Paso back in the 50's/60's......yes they did shoot them trying to cross the river. And of course, now that would never happen. Just shows where this country is headed and it ain't a good place.

Unhinged is an understatement for you in this thread.

- The thread started out with infographs showing population around various universities.

- Then someone mentioned immigration in MS and you went off the rails. You posted incorrect info, you said change in leadership will fix things even though it didn't before, and then you waxed poetically about shooting people for crossing a river 70 years ago.

- You ignored the reality that the people you want to change things have declared they won't support an initiative that will help improve the bad situation. You also ignored the reality that legal immigrstion plummeted under Trump while undocumented numbers largely stayed the same.

- Then you rant more about shooting people and how homicide is apparently OK?...I'm still not sure what your point was there.

- And now you are in a froth about illegals coming to your home and stealing your car? Oh, and you say we are going down a bad road since we have moved away from killing human beings on site that cross a border.





Phew. That is 17ing bonkers.
The thread was about population density around collefe towns.

 

[dorndawg]

I only support LEGAL immigration. The illegal immigration going on now is despicable. Hope Trump gets elected and deports every single illegal immigrant. I welcome all immigrants who apply properly through our government and get vetted thoroughly. Half my family is from El Paso. Back in the 50's and 60's illegal immigration wasn't a problem. My grandfather used to tell me that every now and then a Mexican would attempt to cross the Rio Grande near downtown. Then the Border Patrol would tell them to stop and go back. If they didn't......they were shot dead. He told me that once they killed an illegal migrant, the Mexican Police let the body lay in the river or on the bank. Nobody tried to cross again for several months or years after seeing what happened. They say our population is declining by about a million per year. Guess what?.............we're aborting about a million babies a year. Go figure.

 

[johnson86-1]

Latinos have a crime rate similar to whites but you have to have jobs for them. Those who come to America aren't highly educated. Not sure how you lure highly educated, talented immigrants outside of the big 3 university towns. Is Mississippi likely to create an urban center like Huntsville?

If we could do anything reasonable at the federal level there would possibly be a deal to be made on immigration. Basically make it super easy for immigration into depopulating areas that opt in. Exclude immigrants from countries designated as sponsoring terrorism or having dispropportionate risk of producing terrorists. Then maybe put some requirements regarding skills required. And then offer state (or even region) specific work authorizations. If 20,000 latvians want to move into the Delta, I'd hope we would welcome them with open arms. I don't even know that they need to be skilled. If 20,000 latvians want to move into the Jackson MSA, maybe there are skills they have to have or some proof of financial assets.

 

[mstateglfr]

Exclude immigrants from countries designated as sponsoring terrorism or having dispropportionate risk of producing terrorists.

Ban people that are trying to get away from a country that sponsors terrorism and instability and instead get to a country where their family can be safe and productive?

Interesting approach.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

You should know better than to write something about immigration on this board. Democratic police are going to get you quick. Oh. They're already here.

I hope somebody comes up with an idea soon because it's gonna be most explosive topic through this summer into the election time.

 

[CoastTrash]

Or perhaps MSU should have been located in Vicksburg, Meridian, or some other location in the state. Vicksburg would have been especially cool. I love Starkville but it’s certainly remote, has no water feature, and will continue to be an uphill slog for development.

 

[CoastTrash]

Or perhaps MSU should have been located in Vicksburg, Meridian, or some other location in the state. Vicksburg would have been especially cool. I love Starkville but it’s certainly remote, has no water feature, and will continue to be an uphill slog for development.

I forgot about eckies pond

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

Regarding the issue of immigration, it looks like Biden is currently at 18 approve / 63 disapprove [Pg. 6] which means his approval rating on the issue has dropped by 50% since the spring of 2021. Clearly, this type of move is more than just horn blowing by the opposition. Some reliably Democratic enclaves have to be showing some distaste on the issue with this type of a tilt, which is also highlighted by the fact that Mayor Eric Adams's overall approval rating in the Big Apple has plunged to 28 percent. When you have a city that has been at the forefront of the American dream for so many immigrants over the last two centuries, this is clearly a sign there's a real festering wound that needs attention.

 

[johnson86-1]

Some fun realities for your consideration...

- Legal immigration plummeted under Trump. Remember, you welcome and support legal immigration. Trump has said he will do the same thing, only even more extreme, if re-elected. Not sure how you align his record and promises for re-election with your support for legal immigration.
- Illegal/undocumented immigrant numbers stayed largely unchanged in the US under Trump. There was no massive reduction, even if that is a popular narrative now. Remember, you want Trump to be elected so he can deport every single illegal/undocumented immigrant. History says he was woefully unsuccessful the first time around.
- As an approach to reducing illlegal immigration, a wall doesnt exist now and is not realistic. It didnt work under previous presidents and didnt work under Trump. It cant be contiguous, it cant be maintained, and it is ineffective.
- The number of border crossings that are claiming asylum are exponentially higher now than a decade ago. I heard a stat that the number of asylum requests a decade ago equal what we now see in 2 days. The exponential increase isnt entirely because of Biden's administration, its because of a completely blundered and inconsistent immigration system.
- Speaker Johnson and many Republicans in the House publicly stated they will not accept a bipartisan border deal from the Senate. The deal would give Biden authority to shut down the border when crossings exceed predetermined daily and weekly numbers. Speaker Johnson denounced it and said it would be dead on arrival. Trump claimed the border bill is not necessary. Republicans have jumped on and attacked Senator Lankford(one of the most conservative members of the Senate) for supporting this border deal.
- How illegal border crossings were handled 70 years ago is of 0 worth right now. My gosh- 70 years ago the country still had laws that banned interracial marriage, education was legally segregated, computers didnt exist, and the Federal Highway Act hadnt even been created.



The red italicized point is something I really hope you consider. Something is being proposed that will help reduce border crossings, and it is being rejected by Republican leaders before the bill is even read.

This is the worst thing about our media and politics. The "bipartisan" border deal (I'm not sure that word means what you think it means) codifies the currently elevated level of illegal border crossings. It basically excuses Biden from even trying to enforce the law unless and until border crossings hit a level that is way higher than levels that existed during Trump. So they want to take the current crisis levels and basically use it to establish a baseline of acceptable illegal border crossings.

You have people that are college educated that presumably should know not to take a story like that at face value and yet here we are. If Biden wanted to "shut down" the border, he could basically do it right now. Just patrol the border, and require non-mexican citizens to seek asylum in Mexico. That would immediately bring illegal immigration down to levels that have been manageable in the past.