Program Culture

[Erial_Lion]

Well, maybe not. Would depend on which team the ref flagged for the display.

Examples:

1. John O'Neill flagged Matt McGloin for "spiking the ball in anger" after the QB was frustrated at an illegal motion by his OL. Is there a rule about a player's emotional state during a play?

2. Once again, O'Neill crew flagged Juwan Johnson after he give the "shhh" sign to the crowd following his game-winning catch at Iowa. I saw numerous -- numerous -- players do that in games, including several times by opposing players at Penn State and none drew the a5-yard penalty. It now seems that such a gesture is okay with the refs.

Spiking a ball in anger is a penalty… however, applying it in that instance was “over-officiating” to me.

Though many like to spread the myth that the flag was on Johnson, it was much more likely on the 50 PSU players on the field celebrating the play (the ref near Johnson didn’t throw it). The flag wasn’t actually credited to Johnson on the play.

 

[Lion86]

Well, maybe not. Would depend on which team the ref flagged for the display.

Examples:

1. John O'Neill flagged Matt McGloin for "spiking the ball in anger" after the QB was frustrated at an illegal motion by his OL. Is there a rule about a player's emotional state during a play?

2. Once again, O'Neill crew flagged Juwan Johnson after he give the "shhh" sign to the crowd following his game-winning catch at Iowa. I saw numerous -- numerous -- players do that in games, including several times by opposing players at Penn State and none drew the a5-yard penalty. It now seems that such a gesture is okay with the refs.

No one fired by the Big Ten in either case.

I believe he spiked the ball so as not to get crushed by a defender who may not have heard the whistle. That’s my recollection.

 

[Moogy]

Excellent. I, too, am 'offended' by the chest-pounding, nose-wiping, finger-waggling, etc. (Not exclusive to us but 'us' is what this about.) If I was a ref, pro college or 'other', I'd have a pre-game meeting with each team at which I'd explain that my definition of 'unsportsmanlike conduct' includes the show-offy 'strutty stuff' cited here...and that my flag would fly at each such occasion. I'd conclude the meeting with, "Do you understand? Good. Don't doubt this for one minute or you'll be walking backwards a lot." Not kidding. Note: JVP would have nipped this crap in the bud and/or benched the offender. Just sayin'.

My team would tell you to get off OUR lawn, pick you up, carry you off the field, through the tunnel and dump you in a wastebasket, and tell the powers that be that we'll go back on the field when you can put a real ref out on the field, not some ancient power-hungry relic.

 

[Woodpecker]

You’d never make it to that level of officiating if you’re deciding to put your own spin on the rules and deviate from the consistency that the assignor sis looking for across games…there is a reason that “points of emphasis “ are made at a conference or nationwide level, not each ref determining what he wants to put his stamp on.

Yes, this must be why I see such consistent refereeing across all of the games I watch.

 

[BobPSU92]

Have heard J. Brown on D helps with that role. These are the 2022 captains - the good news? Sutherland and Clifford are the only four time team captains in history. The bad news? Sutherland and Cliffard are the only four time team-captains in history.

Next year, Clifford will be our only five-time team captain in history.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

What I noticed about Ohio State in recent years is that they have become more business like, and seem to be less concerned with self aggrandizing. They have reminded me more of the Paterno coached teams (The act like you've been there approach) than do the recent Penn State teams.

I LOVE coach Day

 

[Paruffus]

Well, maybe not. Would depend on which team the ref flagged for the display.

Examples:

1. John O'Neill flagged Matt McGloin for "spiking the ball in anger" after the QB was frustrated at an illegal motion by his OL. Is there a rule about a player's emotional state during a play?

2. Once again, O'Neill crew flagged Juwan Johnson after he give the "shhh" sign to the crowd following his game-winning catch at Iowa. I saw numerous -- numerous -- players do that in games, including several times by opposing players at Penn State and none drew the a5-yard penalty. It now seems that such a gesture is okay with the refs.

No one fired by the Big Ten in either case.

Bingo! 'Unsportsmanlike conduct' is whatever the ref says it is whenever he decides to say it, which in the B1G...

 

[Paruffus]

My team would tell you to get off OUR lawn, pick you up, carry you off the field, through the tunnel and dump you in a wastebasket, and tell the powers that be that we'll go back on the field when you can put a real ref out on the field, not some ancient power-hungry relic.

Yeah. Bad manners and thugly conduct should always prevail.

 

[Paruffus]

You’d never make it to that level of officiating if you’re deciding to put your own spin on the rules and deviate from the consistency that the assignor sis looking for across games…there is a reason that “points of emphasis “ are made at a conference or nationwide level, not each ref determining what he wants to put his stamp on.

Of course. However unsportsmanlike conduct is determined by whatever the ref thinks it is 'at that moment'. BTW - to me it's always obvious.

 

[Moogy]

Yeah. Bad manners and thugly conduct should always prevail.

"That dude just lowered his shoulder, picked a dude up, drove through that dude and planted him into the ground. Probably broke some ribs!"

Paruffus say: "That's a man of high moral character. Good job, young man! We need more upstanding young men like you. "

"And then he wagged his finger!"

Paruffus say: "That's thugly. Unacceptable! Flag!"

Personally, if I were you, I'd outlaw all outward expressions. High fives? Flag. Low fives? Flag. Slapping shoulder pads? Flag. Butt slaps? Flag. Saying things like "yeah!" or "nice hit!" Flag. Flag. Mean snarl? Flag. Smiling after a nice play? Flag.

Need to keep it respectable, and non-thugly.

 

[Bvillebaron]

What I noticed about Ohio State in recent years is that they have become more business like, and seem to be less concerned with self aggrandizing. They have reminded me more of the Paterno coached teams (The act like you've been there approach) than do the recent Penn State teams.

You and I must be watching different OSU teams.

 

[Bvillebaron]

Excellent. I, too, am 'offended' by the chest-pounding, nose-wiping, finger-waggling, etc. (Not exclusive to us but 'us' is what this about.) If I was a ref, pro college or 'other', I'd have a pre-game meeting with each team at which I'd explain that my definition of 'unsportsmanlike conduct' includes the show-offy 'strutty stuff' cited here...and that my flag would fly at each such occasion. I'd conclude the meeting with, "Do you understand? Good. Don't doubt this for one minute or you'll be walking backwards a lot." Not kidding. Note: JVP would have nipped this crap in the bud and/or benched the offender. Just sayin'.

Unfortunately it’s a different era nowadays.

 

[NB4PSU]

Unfortunately it’s a different era nowadays.

Sadly, that's not a good thing.

 

[Paruffus]

Unfortunately it’s a different era nowadays.

Yes. My 'problem' is this: given my upbringing (for which I am eternally grateful), regardless of 'era' bad behavior is just...well...bad behavior, and is therefore unacceptable. I wouldn't change that for anything. Don't want to embarrass my parents. Just sayin'.

 

[Paruffus]

"That dude just lowered his shoulder, picked a dude up, drove through that dude and planted him into the ground. Probably broke some ribs!"

Paruffus say: "That's a man of high moral character. Good job, young man! We need more upstanding young men like you. "

"And then he wagged his finger!"

Paruffus say: "That's thugly. Unacceptable! Flag!"

Personally, if I were you, I'd outlaw all outward expressions. High fives? Flag. Low fives? Flag. Slapping shoulder pads? Flag. Butt slaps? Flag. Saying things like "yeah!" or "nice hit!" Flag. Flag. Mean snarl? Flag. Smiling after a nice play? Flag.

Need to keep it respectable, and non-thugly.

A question: Do you go to extremes often? No offense. Just askin'.

 

[Moogy]

A question: Do you go to extremes often? No offense. Just askin'.

That's the very premise of my mocking of your stance. Your stance is an extreme. And it's completely silly. This is a game where kids are supposed to violently collide into each other. The harder they smash someone into the ground, the more celebrated they are. Injuries galore, as a result. But they have to be "gentlemanly" about it, I guess. And that's determined by rather randomly accepted behavior. Meanwhile, they're at the line telling each other they're going to break the opposing player in half. But that's cool. Wag a finger, however, and you are shocked and dismayed, and you'll throw your little yellow hanky in disgust. "After you gentlemanly-like threatened to knock that fellow into next week, and then proceeded to pancake him into the ground, where he hit his head and got a concussion, you then exhibited bad manners by wagging a finger. Your thugly behavior was so egregious I invented a word to show just how bad it was. Well, if we don't have good manners while snapping a kid's arm in half, we'll just be barbarians, I do declare! Don't you ... don't you wipe your nose at me, young man! That's it ... you're out of here!"



How many pumps will Referee Paruffus allow? Are you pumpless? Two pump chump?

Oh, and sarcasm and passive-aggressive writing is BAD behavior. I'm flagging you. You should have been taught better.