PSU Football: Time for some perspective

Ludd

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So fans should not have poo-poo'ed after the Michigan game? We should just accept that ***-whooping yearly now?
Did we accept the yearly *** whooping we took at the hands of Michigan under Paterno (and the yearly *** whooping we took at the hands of Iowa under Paterno)?
 
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leinbacker

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Did we accept the yearly *** whooping we took at the hands of Michigan under Paterno (and the yearly *** whooping we took at the hands of Iowa under Paterno)?

we Poo-pooed after those games.
 

leinbacker

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I think we have so called PSU fans who post here who hate "us"

 
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Thorndike2021

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I will only accept

a. Winning every regular season game by at least 50 points
b. Winning each playoff game by at least 40 points
c. Winning the NC game by at least 30 points

EVERY year!

Anything less means that we're a bunch of worthless pansies!

Fire Franklin!
 
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I find it interesting that only one P5 champion (Georgia) won their bowl game. The G5 (Tulane) also won their game. What does that say about the quality of a conference champion? It probably says more about match-ups than anything.
 
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ILLINOISLION

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No but I think you have to admit the progress the defense has made since that game has been pretty awesome.

Actually the progress the O has made since UMich is the huge difference. The Offensive game plan and the execution of that game plan was truly pathetic in Ann Arbor. What, 1 first down in the first half?

The D never had a chance at UMich!
 

step.eng69

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Which raises the question of whether Beaver Stadium can host a game in the latter part of December. My guess is that it can.
Hopefully you know of the improvements to thè Beaver the rest of us don't.
I'm a structural guy, the mechanical fellows can probably work on the plumbing full time during the off season and work in a viable remedy during the season. Timing of improvements by the end of the 2024 season is critical.
 

GrimReaper

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Hopefully you know of the improvements to thè Beaver the rest of us don't.
I'm a structural guy, the mechanical fellows can probably work on the plumbing full time during the off season and work in a viable remedy during the season. Timing of improvements by the end of the 2024 season is critical.
Just a guess. NHL played the Winter Classic in Michigan Stadium, which, I understand, has issues similar to Beaver Stadium.
 

step.eng69

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My thoughts, too. If there aren't any, then it goes to a nearby NFL stadium and any financial advantage to PSU gets frittered away.
Obviously, Eagles, Giants....Beaver Stadium is not a friendly cold weather facility.
 

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Sure, when it's twelve teams instead of four.
Well, if 12 teams make "the playoffs", it really isn't any huge accomplishment for any program that wants to consider itself among the Tier 1 programs. Is it? Essentially has the same level of accomplishment as getting to a decent NYD Bowl Game.

Very true. If Penn State makes it to the 12-team Playoff most years, but never wins it all, it will become like the "consolation" Rose Bowl.

If we win a first round playoff game each year, then potentially lose in the 2nd round or later, I think I'd feel ok. But if we continually lose in the first round of the playoffs year after year, I know I'll be longing for the days of "consolation" Rose Bowl victories to end the season.
Whew, I want to know what it's like to be born on 3rd base. That or all of these years of being told how great making these Bowl games is has really eroded the thinking. The Rose Bowl win on Monday was great, don't get me wrong, and it's a terrific springboard to next season. But in 2 years, I'm not going to see that equivalent as good enough. If PSU is a Tier I program as everyone wants it to be, the playoff is a MINIMUM. And even if it's a minimum, it should still be celebrated as something great since that's just 10% or less of the entire D1-A landscape.
 

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Whew, I want to know what it's like to be born on 3rd base. That or all of these years of being told how great making these Bowl games is has really eroded the thinking. The Rose Bowl win on Monday was great, don't get me wrong, and it's a terrific springboard to next season. But in 2 years, I'm not going to see that equivalent as good enough. If PSU is a Tier I program as everyone wants it to be, the playoff is a MINIMUM. And even if it's a minimum, it should still be celebrated as something great since that's just 10% or less of the entire D1-A landscape.
Nothing wrong with being satisfied with 12th place. I think that fourth is probably better, but I could be wrong.
 

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Nothing wrong with being satisfied with 12th place. I think that fourth is probably better, but I could be wrong.
Everything after first is just 1st loser, 2nd loser, and so on, correct. At least the board seems to think that. Is 3rd loser much better than 7th loser? 😉😉😉
 

GrimReaper

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Everything after first is just 1st loser, 2nd loser, and so on, correct. At least the board seems to think that. Is 3rd loser much better than 7th loser? 😉😉😉
Matter of perspective. So how would you feel if your team regularly makes the twelve-team playoff and gets knocked out in the first round each time?
 
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PSU Mike

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It was written elsewhere that this was our best 7 year stretch since 80-86.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good narrative, amirte?

If you go through the last 30 years you'll find that James Franklin has 4 of the best 10 seasons and he hasn't even been the coach for a decade yet. Our fans who hate CJF need a reality check.

Yeah, except the truth is:
2016-2022: 64-24
1993-1999: 70-16
 
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LionJim

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Matter of perspective. So how would you feel if your team regularly makes the twelve-team playoff and gets knocked out in the first round each time?
We wouldn’t feel great about it but at least we can say we weren’t left out. Getting in is always better than the alternative. The players will give their all to make the playoffs, and to go deep. Constant failure to get out of the first round might lead to a drop in $$$ contributions from fans and renewed vigor towards replacing the coach, but beyond that how we feel isn’t going to factor into things. I know I myself would be be crazy with enthusiasm to get into the playoffs, every year. It may not be rational to think this way but rational left college football eons ago.
 

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We wouldn’t feel great about it but at least we can say we weren’t left out. Getting in is always better than the alternative. The players will give their all to make the playoffs, and to go deep. Constant failure to get out of the first round might lead to a drop in $$$ contributions from fans and renewed vigor towards replacing the coach, but beyond that how we feel isn’t going to factor into things.
Just remember what Groucho said.
 
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PSUFTG

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We wouldn’t feel great about it but at least we can say we weren’t left out. Getting in is always better than the alternative. The players will give their all to make the playoffs, and to go deep. Constant failure to get out of the first round might lead to a drop in $$$ contributions from fans and renewed vigor towards replacing the coach, but beyond that how we feel isn’t going to factor into things. I know I myself would be be crazy with enthusiasm to get into the playoffs, every year. It may not be rational to think this way but rational left college football eons ago.
Would you be "crazy with enthusiasm" if the "playoffs" included 80 teams? I would assume not - but I don't want to assume too much. But, if so, what is the magic number?

A 64 team playoff entry would be cause for enthusiasm? 32? 24?

I expect the answer would depend on whether one's preferred team was a low-rent bottom-dweller with minimal resources (let's say "Syracuse") - in which case making a pool of 12 or 16 teams would probably generate justifiable excitement.
If you are one of the huge money spenders, huge investment programs, with a long-term "blue blood" image - I doubt if simply being "#12", even if that would now mean "being in the playoffs" would be much cause for elation.

Bottom line, is, of course, it is what it is.
 

PSUFTG

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Just add heat wrap around the pipes, problem solved
No doubt. The idea that you can play a game there on November 30th - but December 15th is some unscalable obstacle - is just inane.
Where that train of thought ever originated from, I have no idea.
 
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Whew, I want to know what it's like to be born on 3rd base. That or all of these years of being told how great making these Bowl games is has really eroded the thinking. The Rose Bowl win on Monday was great, don't get me wrong, and it's a terrific springboard to next season. But in 2 years, I'm not going to see that equivalent as good enough. If PSU is a Tier I program as everyone wants it to be, the playoff is a MINIMUM. And even if it's a minimum, it should still be celebrated as something great since that's just 10% or less of the entire D1-A landscape.
Yikes. Preferring to end the season with a Rose Bowl win vs a first round "Playoff" loss means I was born on 3rd base? Do you need a Snickers CDLion??

Only 12 teams currently make a NY6 bowl ... according to your math, "that's just 10% or less of the entire D1-A landscape." How is that any different than making the playoff? As I stated before, if we WIN the first round playoff game, I'd feel differently. But if we lose every year ... not quite the same.
 
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