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I've got a pretty busy Friday, so I'm setting this up in advance.

Please use this thread for all pre-match, in-match, and post-match discussion about the PSU - Michigan dual. If you are responding to another post, please use the Quote function.

When: 1/21, 6 pm EST

Where: @ Michigan

TV: BTN

Video Stream: none, unless you get BTN as part of your cable, then you can stream it

Audio Stream: the radio PBP will be streamed for free. Jeff Byers will start with the pre-match portion at 5:40 pm EST, with the match portion to start at 6:00 pm EST. You can access the audio stream at:

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at University of Michigan

Video: at University of Michigan. Wrestling
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I expect to be available for PBP. I have a dual I'm reffing which got rescheduled to this afternoon/early evening, so there's a chance I could miss the first couple of matches.
 
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A PSU win tonight is going to take an amazing effort. Each team is favored in 5 matches. PSU has the one non-ranked weight going and needs to hold it to a decision. Should be wild. Someone smarter than me would know.....have we had a match were only one wrestler, on both sides is unranked? It can't have happened often.
 
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SRATH said:
A PSU win tonight is going to take an amazing effort. Each team is favored in 5 matches. PSU has the one non-ranked weight going and needs to hold it to a decision. Should be wild. Someone smarter than me would know.....have we had a match were only one wrestler, on both sides is unranked? It can't have happened often.
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Not sure I agree with your 5/5 split. I don't see Michigan as favored at 149 or 285. Kervliet beat Parris this past summer in FS. I would call both 149 & 285 as toss ups.
 
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Hartzie said:
Not sure I agree with your 5/5 split. I don't see Michigan as favored at 149 or 285. Kervliet beat Parris this past summer in FS. I would call both 149 & 285 as toss ups.
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While it really doesn’t matter what we think, I’ll disagree. While he looks healthy and has looked excellent this year, he hasn’t beaten the big dogs yet. So until he proves it, he’s the underdog in my mind. Freestyle was a wonderful equalizer for Kerk last summer since he’s so quick on his feet, but we all know folk is about mat wrestling as well. Listen, I’ll all in as well. People will call me crazy, but I think come March, Kerk will be able to go toe-to-toe with Gable. Yes, Gable. Yes, that one. Yes, I said it. And not only because of Kerk’s talent, health, and improvement, but because he’s got the smartest gameplanners in his corner.

Remember, while Gable of two years ago is not the Gable of today, Cassar beat him twice because of talent AND gameplan. Cassar slowed the pace incredibly (which I’m sure isn’t as easy as it sounds), and then took and converted one 3rd period shot in both matches (as best I can recall).

Again, I’m with you, but I still think he’s an underdog tonight.

PS - I’m also the one who took Beau over Yianni earlier this year, so I’ve been wrong once in my life. If they meet again in March, I’m taking Beau again. I still think Yianni is a better matchup for Beau than Sasso because I see similar styles. Beau might not have had the confidence that he could beat Yianni first time around.
 
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SonnyAbeFan said:
While it really doesn’t matter what we think, I’ll disagree. While he looks healthy and has looked excellent this year, he hasn’t beaten the big dogs yet. So until he proves it, he’s the underdog in my mind. Freestyle was a wonderful equalizer for Kerk last summer since he’s so quick on his feet, but we all know folk is about mat wrestling as well. Listen, I’ll all in as well. People will call me crazy, but I then come March, Kerk will be able to go toe-to-toe with Gable. Yes, Gable. Yes I said it. And only because of Kerk’s talent, health, and improvement, but because he’s got the smartest gameplanners in his corner.

Remember, while Gable of two years ago is not the Gable of today, Cassar beat him twice because of talent AND gameplan. Cassar slowed the pace incredibly (which I’m sure isn’t as easy as it sounds), and then took and converted one 3rd period shot in both matches (as best I can recall).

Again, I’m with you, but I still think he’s an underdog tonight.

PS - I’m also the one who took Beau over Yianni earlier this year, so I’ve been wrong once in my life. If they meet again in March, I’m taking Beau again. I still think Yianni is a better matchup for Beau than Sasso because I see similar styles. Beau might not have had the confidence that he could beat Yianni first time around.
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…I’ve been wrong once in my life. Me too just a few minutes ago…
 
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Hartzie said:
Not sure I agree with your 5/5 split. I don't see Michigan as favored at 149 or 285. Kervliet beat Parris this past summer in FS. I would call both 149 & 285 as toss ups.
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While I agree on the toss-up component. Kerk’s FS win was essentially a tie (4-4). He won on criteria. So he hasn’t been able to out-point Parris yet. In fact, the only person Parris has lost to in his last 18 matches in Folk is Gable. Kerk needs to win this on his feet and show some ability to ride. He hasn’t really had an opponent that could ride him yet, but Parris has that ability. If Kerk is on bottom, he needs to get out quickly.(I know an obvious statement for most matches, but really critical here.)
 
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pabison said:
While I agree on the toss-up component. Kerk’s FS win was essentially a tie (4-4). He won on criteria. So he hasn’t been able to out-point Parris yet. Kerk needs to win this on his feet and show some ability to ride. He hasn’t really had an opponent that could ride him yet, but Parris has that ability. If Kerk is on bottom, he needs to get out quickly.(I know an obvious statement for most matches, but really critical here.)
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While again, we’re on the same team here, I can’t agree with a freestyle win being called essentially a tie. You know how many freestyle matches are decided on criteria? A win is a win and a loss is a loss, no matter what the score.

DT and Gable each won Olympic golds by a point. The U.S. would’ve cheered them just the same and no one would’ve remembered the score had they won on criteria. And trust me, had they lost on criteria, they wouldn’t have said it was essentially a tie.
 
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Mineo (yes, I know) says Micic might not wrestle tonight.

First shoe to drop … what’s next?
 
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crockster said:
Too bad. It would have been a good match. I have no doubt Lee would have beaten him especially after watching Micic wrestle up to 141 this year.
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There’s “chatter” that Micic would only wrestle Lee or Seabass this weekend, but not both.

Bummer for the sport, but oh well…
 
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While again, we’re on the same team here, I can’t agree with a freestyle win being called essentially a tie. You know how many freestyle matches are decided on criteria? A win is a win and a loss is a loss, no matter what the score.

DT and Gable each won Olympic golds by a point. The U.S. would’ve cheered them just the same and no one would’ve remembered the score had they won on criteria. And trust me, had they lost on criteria, they wouldn’t have said it was essentially a tie.
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My point in reference to the freestyle win was “let’s not get carried away here.” Sure Kerk won, but he didn’t separate himself from the competition(Parris). He also didn’t have to wrestle off bottom like he would in folkstyle. Now, do I think a healthy Kerk, with a year in our folkstyle room, can beat Parris? Yes, but again, winning on his feet, being able to put in a decent ride and being able to get out of bottom are key. The last two items are things that you really can’t judge based on FS results.
 
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pabison said:
My point in reference to the freestyle win was “let’s not get carried away here.” Sure Kerk won, but he didn’t separate himself from the competition(Parris). He also didn’t have to wrestle off bottom like he would in folkstyle. Now, do I think a healthy Kerk, with a year in our folkstyle room, can beat Parris? Yes, but again, winning on his feet, being able to put in a decent ride and being able to get out of bottom are key. The last two items are things that you really can’t judge based on FS results.
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So then how do you view tonight’s matchup as a tossup when Parris beat Kerk handily in folk last year and they “tied” in free?

Did Beau essentially tie VanBrill last weekend?
 
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I made it home from my wrestling match. Some times, a ref is pretty thankful for a lot of forfeits. (Other times, not so much, as there are situations where instead of a set fee, you get paid by matches reffed.)

So I'll be available for PBP from the whistle of the 1st match.
 
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Jeff Byers is on the air. We're about 15 minutes from match time.
 
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Byers is up on LionVision

Expecting over 5,000 in attendance for the dual.

CS going for his 170th dual victory at PSU.
 
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Of note, Sanderson tells Byers on prematch interview that he thinks Berge feels good at 165 and doesn't have to worry about his weight. So, for those thinking he'll head to 157, another sign against that, in my mind.
 
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Interview with CS:

- business as usual. They're calm and relaxed. We have a great challenge, and these guys get excited for them. Some great and interesting matchups.
- Beau is learning as he's going. He's a freshman still in experience. Big match tonight. If we can get a win a 49 that would be a great thing for the team score.
- Berge looks good. I expect him to be more comfortable each time he steps out on the match. He seems comfortable at 65. Another opportunity against a top 10 guy
- 184 -- two great wrestlers. Aaron's getting better, so we like our chances. One of the guys that Aaron is going to have to beat if he wants to be National Champion this year
- Dean is consistent; a breath of fresh air. He's getting better. He can deal with adversity just fine as he showed last week. He has a good matchup tonight, we'll see how he and the team responds
- Heavyweight -- good test for both guys. Greg's right there with Paris. I'm excited to see where Greg is at. This is his first against a title contender; top 3 guy
- NIck Lee -- was an intriguing matchup against Micic. They matched up when Micic was a senior and Nick was a freshman in HS. Michigan has some good backups.
 
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If I heard correctly, Steven Micic didn't weigh in at 141, but Nick Lee is good to go.
 
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GregPickel said:
Of note, Sanderson tells Byers on prematch interview that he thinks Berge feels good at 165 and doesn't have to worry about his weight. So, for those thinking he'll head to 157, another sign against that, in my mind.
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I thought it was your job to get him down to 57. Now what are you going to do with your days?
 
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Lineups, per Byers

125: Drew Hildebrandt vs. Nick Suriano
133: RBY vs. Dylan Ragusin
141: Nick Lee vs. Drew Mattin
149: Beau Bartlett vs. Kanen Storr
157: Bearclaw vs. Will Lewan
165: Berge vs. Cameron Amine
174: CStar vs. Logan Massa
184: Aaron Brooks vs. Myles Amine
197: Max Dean vs. Patrick Brucki
285: Kerk vs. Mason Parris
 
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125: Hildebrandt (DH) vs. Nick Suriano (NS)

Tough match for Drew, but good to see where he's at.

Per 1
NS in on a double to a single, elevates it along the edge, trying to pull him in, TD awarded but DH had touched the floor, so we're neutral. 2:05 left. NS's hair is a lot longer than when he was at PSU. Stall warning on DH (seemed premature, IMHO). NS shoots, blocked. End

Per 2
Blood stoppage for DH. NS takes bottom. He's up quickly, brought back down, up again, and out in 8 sec, 0-1. DH reaches for a knee, nothing. DH nearly shoots, nothing. NS shoots, DH counters, nothing. NS took 1 shot, with about 18 sec left in the period.

Per 3
DH takes bottom. He's up then back to 4, then up, then back down. He's up again, and they go OOB with 1:33 left. DH up quickly, can't clear the hands, and back down. They go OOB with 1:00 left. RT up to 52 sec for Suriano. DH tries to work up, then tries a switch, then he's up, taken back down, then again, tries a switch as he's taken back down, and he's out with 8 sec, and they go OOB with 6 sec left, 1-1. Caution on NS. End. With 1:44 in RT, it's a 2-1 DEC for Suriano.

3-0, Michigan
 
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Hmm. Byers says he doesn't think it's "a settled situation" that RBY will definitely move on after this season. He, of course, said and tweeted earlier this year that this would be his last ride. Something new to monitor.
 
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