QB Ashford working with first team?
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If Sellers isn’t special, this program doesn’t have much to be excited about for the next few years. Nothing against Ashford, but if he was the answer he’d still be at Oregon or Auburn. So much pressure on Sellers right now. I hope he has a great career and goes down as a beloved Gamecock. That’s a lot to expect from someone who has barely seen the field. I just don’t see how we have hope otherwise.
" Nourish your hopes, but do not overlook realities". ...Winston Churchill
Both should work with the 1st team but one needs to rise to the top as the leader.
However, if you remember, the team which would have been ranked #1 if not for a stupid loss to Navy was a dual QB team.
Given the limited experience of sellers, do you think there's merit to trying to get him as much work as possible?
Since Sellers is being view as the future of the program, I would say yes.
If I had to choose, I would have him getting the 1st team snaps.
BUT, having just said that...
I admit that there's always a chance something happens. Injury, under performance, something else. It's hard to argue preparing your back up.
There's a balance there, and it's probably different for a lot of coaches.
That’s what I was thinking. Can’t find anything saying such. Even so, it would be far from surprising if the coaches wanted the backup to get some work with the 1s.
I think they're making Sellers earn it. Beamer said they were willing through at every position with the 1st team. Week 1 of practice just ended.
Beamer said both took first team snaps in the scrimmage. Because apparently keeping a fluid depth chart the first week of preseason practice is cause for panic. Beamer did it with every position. Sellers is the one who was mentioned for making plays.
It's disappointing that this thread was ever kept alive, but anyway, if you want Beamer's full comments, here you go:
247sports.com
Literally the only thing he said about Ashford is "Robby Ashford flashed" with no elaboration on what that means. The rest he talks about how good Sellers looked.
Beamer evaluates quarterback play in first scrimmage
South Carolina head coach Shane Beamer recaps how the quarterbacks performed in the first scrimmage on Saturday morning.
247sports.com
Literally the only thing he said about Ashford is "Robby Ashford flashed" with no elaboration on what that means. The rest he talks about how good Sellers looked.
He did also say this in your link:
""LaNorris looked good," Beamer said. "He and Robby (Ashford) got some work with the first group. LaNorris got some work with the second group."
I don't think anyone cared about the "flared" comment as much as they cared that sellers spent some time with the backups.
I went back and forth on this myself. I started wondering why our starting qb with almost no experience is not getting all the reps he can. Then I waffles to thinking that you do, indeed, need to get the second string ready in case of an issue.
In our case, we have a backup with starting SEC experience, and a starter who has almost no experience. I am leaning back towards sellers needing all the reps he can get.
""LaNorris looked good," Beamer said. "He and Robby (Ashford) got some work with the first group. LaNorris got some work with the second group."
I don't think anyone cared about the "flared" comment as much as they cared that sellers spent some time with the backups.
I went back and forth on this myself. I started wondering why our starting qb with almost no experience is not getting all the reps he can. Then I waffles to thinking that you do, indeed, need to get the second string ready in case of an issue.
In our case, we have a backup with starting SEC experience, and a starter who has almost no experience. I am leaning back towards sellers needing all the reps he can get.
Yeah, but the only thing he said regarding Ashford's performance was that he "flashed". The rest of his comments were all about Sellers. This early in fall camp, I don't see the concern. Reality is, we're coming off a 2 year stretch where we had an established veteran starter who very nearly took 100% of the snaps and took 100% of the meaningful snaps. We are breaking new QBs this year. We all hope Lanorris is as good as advertised, but you just never know. Coaches have to prepare for all scenarios, so it only makes sense that the presumptive backup gets some first team reps.
Beyond that, Ashford said the one thing that drew him here was the coaches promised him a legitimate shot to compete. So that's what Beamer's doing.
Now, if Sellers and Ashford are splitting first team reps the week of Game 1 preparation, then that's a different discussion.
Don't disagree. You could ask 20 different coaches and get 20 different answers on how many forst team reps the back up should get.
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Also of note, even with Sellers as the starter, it's fully expected we'll have some packages designed for Ashford in certain game situations (a la Leak/Tebow). This is very common in college football. It only makes sense that the coaches want to work on those packages with the 1s.
Much ado about nothing.
If Beamer were to give Sellers 100% reps with the first team, there’d be armchair QB’s second guessing him and asking why he’s not giving an “experienced SEC QB” an opportunity to provide stability while the rookie learns. Beamer can’t please some simply because they want to appear intelligent. Frankly, none of us are as good as these coaches when it comes to football knowledge and experience.
If Beamer were to give Sellers 100% reps with the first team, there’d be armchair QB’s second guessing him and asking why he’s not giving an “experienced SEC QB” an opportunity to provide stability while the rookie learns. Beamer can’t please some simply because they want to appear intelligent. Frankly, none of us are as good as these coaches when it comes to football knowledge and experience.
For the record, I wasn't trying to troll or imply anything with this original post. Just saw the tweet from Brad Crawford and wanted to discuss.
I think it is a good idea to get backups meaningful reps, especially if there are potential packages that will utilize them regularly. Just didn't know if y'all had heard anything that I hadn't.
I think it is a good idea to get backups meaningful reps, especially if there are potential packages that will utilize them regularly. Just didn't know if y'all had heard anything that I hadn't.
I’d say that was probably more of the exception to the rule more than anything. There have been a number of teams that have been able to have roles for 2 QBs, but typically those QBs have fairly different attributes. Not sure Ashford brings much to the field that we hope Sellers can’t do already.
I still firmly believe if you have 2 QBs, that means you don’t have 1. Ashford isn’t getting much PT if we think we have something with Sellers. We need Sellers to be really good. Not necessarily this year as it’s going to be difficult. But it would be huge for this program to have a guy who can command the offense, make good decisions, make the throws, and scramble when it’s needed. We can build around that and I think recruits will want to play with a guy like that. We desperately needs to see glimpses of that this season.
If Seller’s produces at the level Bentley did in his first year, I will be happy and we should have a pretty decent year. He is a RS FR he will make mistakes and have less than stellar outings just like Bentley.
Man uuuuh…. The backup QB HAS! to get some 1st team reps!!! They have got to be prepared in case 1st stringer goes down etc…. Good coaching and preparation I think…. Boy, talk about reading into stuff
If they come out and LS goes out and Ashford comes in and looks like crap, fans will be saying on X and all other social media
“THEY SHOULD HAVE LET ASHFORD WORK WITH THE FIRST TEAM A LITTLE, MAN THIS IS POOR COACHING”
Just let the coaches coach and let the games be played etc….. I PROMISE ALL OF YOU, you don’t know as much as ANY of those coaches!!! Period!!!
ok I’m finished!
Man you are spot on! I didn’t read the whole post before I chimed in a few min ago…. GOOD POST!!
You’re correct.
I, too, can easily fall prey to negativity and harsh comments if I don’t guard what I type. Its all too common and pervasive on social media—we say things without regard for others.
Is anyone really troubled that Ashford got some 1st team snaps? If so, why?
Did anyone actually think Sellers would take 100% of 1st teams snaps throughout the preseason? If so, why?
Beamer said coming out of spring that Sellers was QB1 but the competition would continue in the fall. How can you have a competition if in one QB is getting 100% of 1st team snaps? If so, how?
A more accurate title for the thread would have been "Ashford gets some first team snaps" but the OP obviously wanted to stir the pot and I guess everyone's just bored enough that it worked.
Did anyone actually think Sellers would take 100% of 1st teams snaps throughout the preseason? If so, why?
Beamer said coming out of spring that Sellers was QB1 but the competition would continue in the fall. How can you have a competition if in one QB is getting 100% of 1st team snaps? If so, how?
A more accurate title for the thread would have been "Ashford gets some first team snaps" but the OP obviously wanted to stir the pot and I guess everyone's just bored enough that it worked.
He’s getting first team reps so Shane won’t make him feel like he didn’t have a chance at the job. It wouldn’t be fair to say he’s competing with Sellers but only let him work with the second unit.
Negative much? He wasn't up to Bama's standards when he was hired as Head Coach early in his career. But he was still the head coach of Bama which means that he probably knows a lot more than all of us that played HS ball. He also was an OC in the NFL for multiple years and they don't normally hire people who don't know football.
Does that necessarily translate to a "reputation for developing qb's"? I hate to put words in others poster's mouths, but I think he was wishing for a coach with a specific reputation for developing qb's.
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