Quay Evans wants $200K a year to play college football
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</div><div>Anyway. What does my statement of Evans have to do with me being a bear?</div><div>
</div><div>The kid has a world of talent, but is going to be a headache where ever he signs. You see these kids all the time in the recruiting process. They rarely live up to their potential.</div><div>
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</div><div>Anyway. What does my statement of Evans have to do with me being a bear?</div><div>
</div><div>The kid has a world of talent, but is going to be a headache where ever he signs. You see these kids all the time in the recruiting process. They rarely live up to their potential.</div><div>
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depending on where we went. And that was for supper. If I had to guess, the football team travels as a team and their meal is provided by either MSU or by whoever they are traveling to. Also, the football team usually flies- unless it's somewhere like Ole Miss. We took a bus everywhere- I thought the Kentucky trip in 1996 was never going to end.
But, there has never ever been a problem with boosters paying a tuba player 200K to play for a school- except maybe at Jacksonville State. And we had to eat.
Plus, I'll tell you the toughest thing about being in the band is unlike the football team, we have to sit amongst the opponents fans. That can royally suck because there will always be some mullet head piece of trailer trash/corn dog/Al from Dadeville that will act like the band at MSU burned their house down and killed their grandmother. And when you are dressed up like the Beatles in Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band- you become a target. And yes, I'm sure the football team hears all kind of crap too- but at least they are on the field and have helmets on- those would have come in handy against LSU. It can get dangerous because you don't know what kind of whacko is going to try to pick a fight with you. Six dollars is the least they can do.
But, there has never ever been a problem with boosters paying a tuba player 200K to play for a school- except maybe at Jacksonville State. And we had to eat.
Plus, I'll tell you the toughest thing about being in the band is unlike the football team, we have to sit amongst the opponents fans. That can royally suck because there will always be some mullet head piece of trailer trash/corn dog/Al from Dadeville that will act like the band at MSU burned their house down and killed their grandmother. And when you are dressed up like the Beatles in Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band- you become a target. And yes, I'm sure the football team hears all kind of crap too- but at least they are on the field and have helmets on- those would have come in handy against LSU. It can get dangerous because you don't know what kind of whacko is going to try to pick a fight with you. Six dollars is the least they can do.
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http://www.holyturf.com/2...h-all-within-ncaa-rules/
Another thought. If taking an athletic scholarship is such a financial hardship, then why do it? Why doesn't the player simply tell Mullen on the recruiting trip, "Coach, I'm not interested in your scholarship offer. I'm going to go to school and pay my own way and not play football. That is because it is much more financially sensible to pay my own way than to take the athletic scholarship." I'll bet a coach has never heard that one.
http://www.holyturf.com/2...h-all-within-ncaa-rules/
Another thought. If taking an athletic scholarship is such a financial hardship, then why do it? Why doesn't the player simply tell Mullen on the recruiting trip, "Coach, I'm not interested in your scholarship offer. I'm going to go to school and pay my own way and not play football. That is because it is much more financially sensible to pay my own way than to take the athletic scholarship." I'll bet a coach has never heard that one.
you have to remember a lot of the income generated by football goes to paying for all the other non-revenue sports. a lot ends up going to the general university fund and helps to pay professors and lab materials etc. it's not like the AD is sitting there rolling in the dough making it rain because he has the best football program like he's a franchise owner or something.drunkernhelldawg said:
uh, most schools have various majors that are designed to prepare kids for a career in coaching (phys ed?) or being an agent (business school -> law school?) or working in media (communications?). there doesn't need to be a specialized major that just teaches all the same **** to athletes only. i would be willing to wager that a majority of athletes are already majoring in phys ed, business, or communications, or something similar at the very least. <div>Bulldog Bruce said:
</div><div>i totally disagree with the notion that we should let every 17-18 year old kid choose to "major" in professional sports and spend 24/7 working with coaches instead of letting them go to class or take a few hours to study for a final. what 17-18 year old kid with at least a decent amount ofathleticability isn't going to just major in professional sports? as a country we are already falling behind in education and preparing students for the real world and it would be incredibly irresponsible to now let hundreds of kids each year enroll into a major in which literally less than 5% of them will ever have a real professional career and the rest will be left with unmarketable skills and no job prospects. being able to run really fast or jump really high isn't gonna land you a real job without the proper training. you can go on and on about accountability and freedom to choose and all that, but i'm speaking from a purely practical standpoint. players have the freedom to work out solo on the same drills coaches spend 20 hours a week working with them. players have the freedom to hire personal trainers to work with them to fine tune their skills on top of the 20 hours a week they have with a coach. but giving 17-18 year olds the opportunity to choose the path of least resistance and not fully grasp the importance of their decision and the extreme unlikelihood that they even get a sniff of pro sports is irresponsible.</div><div>
</div><div>as for athletes owning their name/likeness. colleges and the ncaa can't sell **** with players' names and faces on it. at most they can sell a jersey, but a #2 jersey is just a #2 jersey and has been worn by dozens if not hundreds of players at every university. but the whole point of players not being able to sell their names/likenesses is to prevent big time boosters from buying a signed jersey for $100K or $1M or some ****. sure they put it on ebay with a "buy now" of $100K and someone bought it, so that's the 'going rate' but really it's just a really easy route for players to get paid by boosters of the school for attending their school. maybe any random recruit wasn't paid to go to ohio st per se, but he had a handshake deal with some old gray haired white guy that once he signed, he'd put his jersey up for sale and the old gray haired white guy would pay $100K for it. that's why players can't sell their **** until they are out of college, you'd have to monitor every sell to make sure there was absolutely nothing shady and it would lead to rampant wide open pay for play schemes masked as "fair market value" for jerseys and signatures and ****.</div>
We need to get the "college football is a business" mentality out of the game, not endorse it. It's quickly becomming the dirtiest, most corrupt sport on the face of the planet. If they allow schools to pay for kids, it's just going to help cover up the big time payments that go out... Let's say there is a player called Charlie Johnson, we'll call him CJ for short, that is going to get $30,000 a year to play through an NCAA sanctioned salary. Why is that going to stop a team from giving ole CJ more money on top of that? It's just going to create a situation where it's not weird when CJ goes and drops a ton of cash on a new car, or has 3 flat screens in his momma's trailer, or is seen walking around with a bag full of poker chips.
All that said, Quay is more than justified in what he's saying... look at the crap that's going on around him. People who have graduated from his high school have been juiced in the past, and everyone knew about it, and nothing happened. The biggest recruit in the nation last year got $200k, everyone knows about it, and nothing has happened. At least 4 high school kids from MS got paid last year by two different schools, everyone knows about it, and nothing has happened.
All that said, Quay is more than justified in what he's saying... look at the crap that's going on around him. People who have graduated from his high school have been juiced in the past, and everyone knew about it, and nothing happened. The biggest recruit in the nation last year got $200k, everyone knows about it, and nothing has happened. At least 4 high school kids from MS got paid last year by two different schools, everyone knows about it, and nothing has happened.
You have the mentality that these players getting paid is a crime. The whole point is that if someone other than the school wants to pay them, it is not the schools problem. They will have to pay taxes on any income they make like a real business. SO if someone wants to pay them them the 100k for one shirt they will have to give Uncle Sam 50k and learn to deal with real money.
The Professional Sports Major athletic part will only be available to those on the team so not just anyone who can run and jump can succeed in that major. The academic side of the major would be available to anyone and would not be a bunch of courses to skate on. They would be real classes that people in those majors currently take. Things like contract law, accounting, journalism, public speaking, media communications on camera and radio, marketing, foreign language, courses that train on human body for development and recovery.
I took a bunch of these real classes, but my real reason for being there was the sport. If this degree is well rounded, it will make a fall back position be available in many different jobs.
Your 5% argument is probably true to almost any degree. Your 5% is people who are wildly successful in the sport. You are not accounting for those who play oversees, or do a peripheral job within the professional sports umbrella. Probably only 5% of all the people that go through business school become multi-millionaires. Only 5% of people in Media Communications get a job on air in Radio and TV and way less than that make the big bucks. Less than 5% of people in acting, movie making and music classes make the big bucks in those careers. There is no outrage if a person gets a scholarship and studies those curricula. So don't "protect" these people who want to try and make a career in professional sports.
Bottom line is that Colleges and Universities are suppose to be providing a service to a customer. Well provide the service that the customer wants. It is their life and choice.
The Professional Sports Major athletic part will only be available to those on the team so not just anyone who can run and jump can succeed in that major. The academic side of the major would be available to anyone and would not be a bunch of courses to skate on. They would be real classes that people in those majors currently take. Things like contract law, accounting, journalism, public speaking, media communications on camera and radio, marketing, foreign language, courses that train on human body for development and recovery.
I took a bunch of these real classes, but my real reason for being there was the sport. If this degree is well rounded, it will make a fall back position be available in many different jobs.
Your 5% argument is probably true to almost any degree. Your 5% is people who are wildly successful in the sport. You are not accounting for those who play oversees, or do a peripheral job within the professional sports umbrella. Probably only 5% of all the people that go through business school become multi-millionaires. Only 5% of people in Media Communications get a job on air in Radio and TV and way less than that make the big bucks. Less than 5% of people in acting, movie making and music classes make the big bucks in those careers. There is no outrage if a person gets a scholarship and studies those curricula. So don't "protect" these people who want to try and make a career in professional sports.
Bottom line is that Colleges and Universities are suppose to be providing a service to a customer. Well provide the service that the customer wants. It is their life and choice.
Sort of funny to hear something like that from an OM fan. Seems to me like y'all are fine with head cases who require a signing bonus.mredge said:
Just for the record, Quay has done everything right in the recruiting world since he decommitted and decided to slow things down. This is the only questionable thing he's said or done. Every other decision he's made, including not talking to reporters through most of the spring semesterseems like a good one.
you can't set up aprogram of studyand then restrict access in that type of manner. In an age where athletic dorms aren't even allowed, you'd face immediate legal challenges.
As far as the sign-for-money portion, you would indeedbe giving an immense leg up to schools with large, established fan bases, as well as opening a huge loophole for them to be paid whatever by whomever. Won't happen.
I'm not deadset against paying playerslike some are, and I really don't like how the NCAA and the schoolhas control of their images and representations, but in order to solve this problem without destroying the applecart, whatever you do has to be done equally across the board.
As far as the sign-for-money portion, you would indeedbe giving an immense leg up to schools with large, established fan bases, as well as opening a huge loophole for them to be paid whatever by whomever. Won't happen.
I'm not deadset against paying playerslike some are, and I really don't like how the NCAA and the schoolhas control of their images and representations, but in order to solve this problem without destroying the applecart, whatever you do has to be done equally across the board.
i don't think it's a crime that they get paid, i just think it unbalances the field of competition such that schools like mississippi state will be lucky to attract even half the talent we do now. we don't have the fan base and money to throw around at kids for their signature like bama and uga and florida and lsu and auburn and tenn. if you can't conceive the huge can of worms that allowing players to seel their own jerseys and signature, etc will open, then i don't know what else to tell you. but i can safely say we might as well kiss our asses goodbye because from a competition standpoint, we'd be in an even deeper hole in the sec than we already are. <div>Bulldog Bruce said:
</div><div>as for the major thing, you list all thesecurriculumsthat already exists. players can study business or communications or journalism or whatever and use their sports experience to guide their career. there is no need to have a special "sports professionalism" major or something just for athletes. couple their studies with 20 hours of coach contact per week + any solo individual and/or personal trainer work on the side at their choosing, and they are basically majoring in 'sports professionalism'. it's not like we are forcing these guys to major in engineering or microbiology or art or something they would never use, they are free to choose a major that they want, and most of them choose a major easily geared towards sports, whether it's obvious like phys ed or coaching/teaching or less obvious like business (to learn to manage their future millions? or become an agent?) or communications/journalism to one day be a columnist or a espn talking head.</div>
Programs can't, and shouldn't have to, pay ALL athletes a stipend or salary to play. That's just ridiculous. However to me the answer is simple. Allow all players to have endorsement deals. Allow outside interests to pay them market value for video game rights, commercials, endorsements, etc. The big time players at big time universities get paid at least a little something for all of the revenue they bring in. Teams or players on smaller teams get scholarships, which are actually worth something as hard as that is for some on this thread to believe.
There has to be a solution to the problem. I think those who think they should receive a scholarship and nothing else are wrong, and those who think they should be paid a salary are just as wrong on the other side of the spectrum. Some may argue that this would give big schools an even bigger advantage over small schools of landing 5-star players, I say truth is the best players will always to the best programs with few exceptions. Let them take a piece of the action for jersey's, t-shirts, video game appearances, etc. and the market will settle the rest.
There has to be a solution to the problem. I think those who think they should receive a scholarship and nothing else are wrong, and those who think they should be paid a salary are just as wrong on the other side of the spectrum. Some may argue that this would give big schools an even bigger advantage over small schools of landing 5-star players, I say truth is the best players will always to the best programs with few exceptions. Let them take a piece of the action for jersey's, t-shirts, video game appearances, etc. and the market will settle the rest.
so you too would be ok killing our program while the bama's and lsu's and florida's lured all the talent because of more lucrative video game deals and commercial opportunities and endorsements and jersey sales? i mean, no one would ever get paid anexorbitantamount of money to be in a booster's ad, never ever ever. or just have booster's paying going rates for unnecessary commercials just to get more money into these kids pockets. never ever ever ever. bama would never have a network of alums and boosters set up to get these kids money. not that they don't do it now, but at least now if they are caught, they are punished, this would be actual ncaa sanctioned buying of players.
All good points. A plan like this would come with a lot more red tape and would provide more loopholes for boosters to funnel money, however I don't think its as crazy as a lot of people do. This will just keep happening unless A.) The NCAA puts an office on every D1 campus in the country or B.) these kids bringing in millions for their schools can be compensated somehow. At the very least, pay active players an equal amount for video game rights and jerseys. That could be easily monitored.
Those same basic powerhouse teams are always the ones in contention in Football and Basketball now. Teams are still limited by the number of starting spots available so those guys who won't start at Alabama will still consider coming to MSU. Nothing will change, except coaches won't have to lie about these things that are violations now.
According to everyone these things are already going on. These other schools already have a big advantage over MSU. My plan would bring it all above board. The coaches and schools wouldn't have to even worry about what car the starting QB is driving. The starting QB will have to worry in that if he doesn't report it, the government will be the one investigating.
The playing field will NEVER be level. But if this was in place maybe Cam Newton comes to MSU, He can make similar money at MSU selling shirts and doing endorsements as he can at Auburn. He ultimately gets to make a decision based more on the coaching staff.
According to everyone these things are already going on. These other schools already have a big advantage over MSU. My plan would bring it all above board. The coaches and schools wouldn't have to even worry about what car the starting QB is driving. The starting QB will have to worry in that if he doesn't report it, the government will be the one investigating.
The playing field will NEVER be level. But if this was in place maybe Cam Newton comes to MSU, He can make similar money at MSU selling shirts and doing endorsements as he can at Auburn. He ultimately gets to make a decision based more on the coaching staff.
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No he can't.Bulldog Bruce said:
It would be an order of magnitude larger than what he could get in Starkville. For every Henry Mize or Leo Seal, the Alabama's and Auburn's of the world can roll out 5-10 guys of equal caliber and even more obsession with their program's athletics, many of whom would like nothing better than to guarantee someone like Cam Newton the potential to make millions, yes, millions while in collegeif he won a national championship or Heisman at their school. Then we get into the sidewalk alumni. Did you see the SI Tressel article where the kids would come by hunting the Ohio State players on a regular basis? You think that happens in Starkville? Now, imagine if those kids' parents could buy them all the signatures they could handle for $20-50 apiece? You think there's tens of thousands of State parents willing to pay that? I know there are for Alabama and Auburn.
Instead of leveling the playing field, this would tilt it. No Top 200 recruit in their right mind (without some majorlove for acertain school)would pass up the chance at the much higherguaranteed cash flow of playing in Tuscaloosa, Gainesville, Austin, etc.
exactly. glad i'm not the only one that sees it this way.00Dawg said:
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</div><div>even simply giving each player a portion of the jersey sales with his number on them would be skewed. and giving videogame licensing fees would be to every player, and when split over 10K or so FBS scholarship players, it's not gonna be very much per player.</div>
You are comparing apples to Oranges. There is a huge difference between $20 a day to grub at a local Wendy's by the Nashville airport when we are required to go on trips and getting $200,000 from a booster because you are the best QB money can buy. There were even some overnight trips where we got no money and they would bring us Subway or something like that to the bus. If you wanna gripe about that, I can't tell you how many soggy subway sandwiches I ate after games and local Days Inns (we stayed at a few nice hotels, but the team usually got much nicer hotels than us) we stayed in on band trips compared to the football team who gets steak dinners at downtown Hiltons and Marriotts. Meal stipends don't sway players to come to MSU over Alabama or LSU for band, so let's stay away from comparing anything the band gets with what the football team gets.