Question about how long of a leash do you give Lebby?...
- Thread starter dawgstudent
- Start date
Can someone head to the Cheetah Lounge and find someone to help with off field issues?***
There's no leash outside a few guidelines. Lebby is guaranteed 3 years otherwise. He inherited worse than a turd, He inherited the exploding toilet from Saturday. Almost no talent, soft culture, terrible two year schedule and he deserves three years minimum. But he's got a job to do and needs to do it, & that includes fixing his staff where deficient.
No need to fire him just to let an inexperienced AD make another mistake.
This is true, I’d definitely prefer an outside search firm make the next hire
I don't think it works this way anymore. One year removed from a national title and a lot of people were ready to change the baseball coach.
Like everything else with the Mississippi State Football program, it's not my decision, and I do not influence the decisions. They have not made any decisions that I care about recently, so I'm just disassociating myself until something changes... higher up.
I'd say he gets 3 years, but I think his tenure will be tied to the ability to improve on the offensive and defensive line. If I were him, I'd figure out if I was ready to hitch my wagon (HC job) on those 2 assistant coaches (on coaching talent and recruiting talent). I assume the writing is already on the wall of the defensive coordinator but who can he "trick" into coming here for a complete rebuild defensively.
If the season plays out like it looks like it will, and next year is 2-10, I honestly don’t see how he would get a third year. I think the apathy is going to be terrible by the end of this season if 1-11/2-10 happens. Thats not the way it would work 10 years ago but i think the portal has almost made things year to year now.
agree with this. 2-10 this season and you'd need to see some dramatic improvement and some inkling that things will continue to be on the upswing moving forward or you can him and move on.
currently he doesnt look to be anything close to a homerun hire. outside of sheer talent, his game day decisions and operations dont look anything near top notch either.
if coaches Are expected to turn it around in a year or two, you have to build through the portal, and you have to have NIL money to do that. You also have to know how to evaluate talent and Build a roster. fair or not, that’s what the college game has become. This off-season will tell you one way or the other how it’s going to go.
Im not really expecting a "turn around"
My views are
1) we are a lot worse than I think we should be this year. We've played much worse than we should expect a team to play.
2) our game management is not up to par
3) rumors floating about were he lost the lockerroom before the year started, and so far this isnt a group that seems to be playing hard for their coach, team, or university.
thus if we dont show improvements in those area's I dont think he should be guarenteed a 3rd season. I was/am not expecting some huge turn around. IMO there should not have been as dramatic of a drop as it was this year and if we dont see something that shows he knows what hes doing and shows how to run a program... then we cut bait and look elsewhere
We're just in a ****** position that we can thank some combination of Cohen, Keenum, and Selmon for. Cohen really did 17 us by getting cute with the hire after Mullen. Unnecessarily wasted a lot of momentum we could have used. I was good with Leach. It was always going to put us in a precarious position when Leach left, but it was an ok gamble. Just turned out poorly for us.
I was fine with hiring Arnette, just not fine with the process. And it was unforgiveably incompetent to hire Arnett based on wanting continuity without requiring him to get an OC that runs air raid concepts. Had we had a full time athletic director, that would have been a fireable offense.
Following up the Arnett hire with a first time head coach and not making sure he was going to get somebody with experience to help him on defense was another seemingly unforgivably incompetent decision. I think arguably it's a fireable offense for Keenum and Selmon. Assuming Keenum was involved with the Arnette hire, he can't get a pass for letting his first time AD make the same 17ing mistake he did of pairing a first time HC with an inexperienced coordinator on the opposite side of the ball.
I don't know what to do at this point. We need a new DC next year. Offense doesn't look great either. I'm drawing a blank on a coach that has come in and had a team look this bad turn into a good coach. Usually good coaches show something immediately. Even if not in the win column, you can tell they're doing something.
I think if the offense shows signs by the end of the year, we overpay for a good DC in the off season to get Lebby some help.
If the offense doesn't show signs, I think we let Lebby do what he wants for DC and get ready to pull the trigger at the end of year two.
Or maybe we overpay for a DC regardless so the next head coach knows we will provide the resources to be successful.
I like this option. You hire a former HC/sitting DC (Aranda). That way you can promote to HC if Lebby is let go.
I think State was just very lucky with Mullen. All these other Offensive minded/finesse guys haven't pan out for State. Find you another defensive coach (Sherrill ) and recruit studs and athletes to fill the defense. Get an athlete at QB and roll. That's State recipe for success in football.
Get unlimited access today.