Question for you Stansbury haters

[hatfieldms]

After every game we lose, and even some we win, the same people are on here bashing Stansbury and everything he does. First of all, since it happens after every single loss, do some of you expect us to go undefeated? You know since you blame the coach for every single loss we have? And second, do you ever blame the players? I understand Stansbury isn't perfect, and he has me scratching my head at times, but at some point wouldn't you think the players not executing could be the reason we lose games at times?

 

[hatfieldms]

After every game we lose, and even some we win, the same people are on here bashing Stansbury and everything he does. First of all, since it happens after every single loss, do some of you expect us to go undefeated? You know since you blame the coach for every single loss we have? And second, do you ever blame the players? I understand Stansbury isn't perfect, and he has me scratching my head at times, but at some point wouldn't you think the players not executing could be the reason we lose games at times?

 

[zerocooldog]

Those same detractors would then say that since 'bury recruited the players who aren't executing then the blame lies with him and solely him.

I haven't ever commented on Stans before, but I do like the guy and think he is due for a breakthrough in the NCAA tourney, sometimes it takes a coach a handful of trips to breakthrough b/c playing tourney games is a lot different than playing regular season/conference tourney games.

$.02

 

[fishwater99]

And yes I expected us to be undefeated at this point of the season. There are no excuses for our two losses this year. Stans failed to have our team ready to play Rider and he was out-coached against Richmond. Sometimes players are to blame, but not for our two losses this year.
I expect us win at SD and WK and to be above .500 in SEC play. I do not to expect us to win every SEC game.

 

[AlCoDog]

Well I just hope by players, you aren't talking about Kodi, because that dude has been nothing less than jordanesque this year. We'd probably be 7-6 if not for him.

 

[Hanmudog]

And yes I expected us to be undefeated at this point of the season. There are no excuses for our two losses this year. Stans failed to have our team ready to play Rider and he was out-coached against Richmond. Sometimes players are to blame, but not for our two losses this year.
I expect us win at SD and WK and to be above .500 in SEC play. I do not to expect us to win every SEC game.

Besides us losing, what makes you certain Stansbury was "outcoached" against Richmond? I seem to remember Bost clanking some free throws and turning the ball over at the end. The double standard is what gets some of you critics so much grief. If Stansbury wins you never say that he outcoached anyone but if he loses then he was outcoached. Did Stansbury outcoach Pearl and Johnson in the SEC tournament last year? Or did Kodi just lift us on to his shoulders and carry us to victory?

 

[hatfieldms]

And yes I expected us to be undefeated at this point of the season. There are no excuses for our two losses this year. Stans failed to have our team ready to play Rider and he was out-coached against Richmond. Sometimes players are to blame, but not for our two losses this year.
I expect us win at SD and WK and to be above .500 in SEC play. I do not to expect us to win every SEC game.

There were plenty of games last year that were SEC games where when we lost, people on here were jumping up and down screaming about how bad Stansbury sucked. It happens after every loss we have. That gives me the impression that some of you expect us to never lose.

 

[goldeneye]

Ive been on this board for a minute but never really posted and the one reason I never did is because I dont hate Stans but I think he is given too much credit for doing just enough to get by. He's worshipped like he's great but really he's only good. With all that said, I can definitely give him props when he does a good job but others (specifically 2 or 3 posters) NEVER give Stans any credit and he can do no right so I said to myself I will never post on 6pack so I wont be thronn into the bucket with those people. But to answer your question, I do feel like we should be undefeated right now but what really bothers ME is when we do lose, its mainly for the same reasons we've always lost under Stans, no zone offense. If a five starters go 1 for 50 and all we did was launch up most of our shots from outside the 3 point line, Im going to blame the coach for not having a better offense to get them better shots. Think about this for a second, Croom always lost because his players never executed. Let that sink in.....

I repeat:

Listen to any of Croom's post game PC's and all you heard was that the players didnt execute. If youre going to blame the players and not the coach, we might as well bring Croom back.

 

[hatfieldms]

And yes I expected us to be undefeated at this point of the season. There are no excuses for our two losses this year. Stans failed to have our team ready to play Rider and he was out-coached against Richmond. Sometimes players are to blame, but not for our two losses this year.
I expect us win at SD and WK and to be above .500 in SEC play. I do not to expect us to win every SEC game.

Besides us losing, what makes you certain Stansbury was "outcoached" against Richmond? I seem to remember Bost clanking some free throws and turning the ball over at the end. The double standard is what gets some of you critics so much grief. If Stansbury wins you never say that he outcoached anyone but if he loses then he was outcoached. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Did Stansbury outcoach Pearl and Johnson in the SEC tournament last year?</span> Or did Kodi just lift us on to his shoulders and carry us to victory?

Of course not, that was all luck. You haven't heard?

 

[hatfieldms]

Ive been on this board for a minute but never really posted and the one reason I never did is because I dont hate Stans but I think he is given too much credit for doing just enough to get by. He's worshipped like he's great but really he's only good. With all that said, I can definitely give him props when he does a good job but others (specifically 2 or 3 posters) NEVER give Stans any credit and he can do no right so I said to myself I will never post on 6pack so I wont be thronn into the bucket with those people. But to answer your question, I do feel like we should be undefeated right now but what really bothers ME is when we do lose, its mainly for the same reasons we've always lost under Stans, no zone offense. If a five starters go 1 for 50 and all we did was launch up most of our shots from outside the 3 point line, Im going to blame the coach for not having a better offense to get them better shots. Think about this for a second, Croom always lost because his players never executed. Let that sink in.....

I repeat:

Listen to any of Croom's post game PC's and all you heard was that the players didnt execute. If youre going to blame the players and not the coach, we might as well bring Croom back.

First of all comparing Stansbury to Croom is idiotic as hell. Second, Croom never adapted to his players. He wanted to force what talent he had to do what offense he wanted regardless of if they were the right talent for it. Stansbury seems to adapt to the talent he has. When we had Roberts and Austin we took the ball inside a good bit to score. Now our strength is more on the outside and that is why were are firing up a ton of outside shots. Varnado isn't exactly an inside force on offense, and I dont know what in the hell Kodi is

 

[goldeneye]

It would be idioitic to compare Stans and Croom. It would also be idiotic to think I was. My point was this, Croom blamed losing on his players not executing was B.S. and also blaming most of our basketball losses completely on player execution is also B.S. The players have alot to do with it but i think you put your players in a bad situation constantly asking them to win ball games shooting 3's on a regular basis. You are not going to shoot 50% from behind the arc on a regualr basis and you cant blame your team if they dont.

I understand we dont have a low post threat but that doesnt mean 60% of your shots should still be three pointers. A good zone offense will get you layups and mid range jumpers, not just 3 point shots. passing the ball around the perimeter until you get an open 3 pointer is intramural ball. </p>

 

[Seinfeld]

While it's not always a good excuse, there are some games that you lose due to players' failure to execute. A couple recent examples would be State's loss to Richmond after Bost had a huge turnover and bricked two free throws as well as Mullen's loss to LSU when Tyson refused to stick his arm over the guideline after also failing to pitch the ball to an All SEC back. Those were both wins stolen away due to a specific player screwing up at a crucial point in the game.

The reason that Croom does not compare is his teams were rarely close enough such that a particular player even had an opportunity to blow a game. You cannot get beat 45-0 in an Egg Bowl and then say that your players didn't execute. It's incredibly weak, but of course, I'd expect nothing less from Croom the assclown.

 

[fishwater99]

We had a 5 pt lead with 2 mins to go and failed to score again. Stans failed to implement a play to get us a single point in the last minute. We did not get the ball to SWAT or Kodi on the inside and we took several bad shots. Randy or Kodi should have had the ball and gone to the hole to shoot free throws, not Bost.

I said it last year after the SEC tourney that Stans did a great job coaching during the tourney, so yes he did have a good coaching moment. </p>

 

[goldeneye]

You cant blame losing the Richmond game on one possession. Its easy to do that but realistically you have to ask yourself why was the game even that close to begin with for a last possession to even decide the game. The real problem is that nearly 50% of our shots were beyond the arc and of those we only hit 36% of those. So the real question is why are we not getting better looks than just 3 point shots. Im no expert but after seeing enough MSU games, Im guessing its because we seem to settle for the 3's when they go to the zone instead of actually running effective plays. And thats where I blame Stans. Get better execution against the zone early and a Dee Brown TO or missed FT doesnt matter against a Richmond.

The LSU game is a bad comparison. We werent even supposed to be in that game but we were and that definitely was player execution. If LSU loses that game, people wpuld be saying Les Miles was outchaoched. heck, they are saying it anyway. Its hard to blame anyone when the clear underdog wins or loses in a close margin

 

[patdog]

They're his players. If they can't do their job, either he needs to recruit better players or do a better job coaching. I think Stans is a pretty good coach, but he's been here plenty long enough that anything that happens is all on him, good or bad. For the most part, over the years it's been good.

 

[Jago]

We are about to throw the ball in and we run the so called play where we just throw it up to dee. We have no set in bound plays no screens or anything

 

[Seinfeld]

that barring some sort of global meltdown, Stansbury isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

I mean, put yourself in Greg Byrne's shoes for a minute. He's got a coach at MSU that is fairly young, energetic, wins on a consistent basis EVERY year, and sells out the Hump or comes dang close to it every season. Throw in the fact that Stansbury has no less than 80% support from the general fanbase and you're going to fire him? For what? The hope that you'll replace a proven winner and trophy holder with another consistent winner and trophy holder that may possibly take us to a sweet 16 in the future? I'll admit that my support for Rick has dropped somewhat over the last couple years, but the risk/reward analysis regarding this decision for Greg Byrne is laughable. The man's at the top of his game and people think he's going to boldly go against an almost entirely pro-Byrne and pro-Stansbury fanbase in order to "hopefully" get to a sweet 16 in the near future? The best possible outcome in a move like this would be for State to finally return to a Sweet 16 which really does little more for the program other than quiet down a few rabid fans. On the flip side, the worst case is that Byrne alienates an entire adoring fanbase while the program falls down the crapper. Truth be told, the most likely results are somewhere in between but seriously, why would you take such a risk if you're Greg Byrne?

None of this will stop the comments from coming and some of them will even come from me every now and then, but I pay attention less and less because the man's just not going anywhere.

 

[DowntownDawg]

....are objective enough to give Stansbury credit when it's due and criticism when that's due. Because of Coach34 and Fishwater's trolling ways, posters on this board take up for Stansbury no matter what the circumstances are. That includes you, Hanmu (the worst), BriantheDawg, and Costanza. My position is that he deserves a ton of credit for getting his program to the dance 6 out of 8 years. He is also justly criticized for not getting further. After 12 years, it's time to take the next step. That's not unfair at all.

In recent years, the reason that we have not been able to get out of the first weekend is that we have started poorly and lost to teams that we shouldn't lose to. This reason this happens is that Stansbury does not have the team prepared to play basketball, and we are often dealing with chemistry issues due to the rash of transfers that have left the program. Stansbury is culpable for this even if a player has an overzealous father or bad attitude. College coaches deal with these issues all the time. We did not have a transfer this year, but once again, the behavior of Kodi Augustus betrays the fact that Stansbury does not have control of his program. And we play poorly for the first few games, and again, we are behind the 8 ball, after being a ranked team in the preseason and picked to win the division.

You and others need to understand that he deserves criticism sometimes. You constantly get baited by Coach34 who enjoys the entertainment value of it, and can no longer look at Stansbury objectively. I definitely disagree with Coach about Stansbury vs. Gottfried and Brady, and I am not sure that he really even buys half of what he is selling. However, he is exactly right when he says that we are stuck in basketball purgatory until proven otherwise.

 

[Seinfeld]

is that I think it's within reason to blame a single game changing play or two on a player's inability to execute. However, you can't blame 60 minutes of BS on execution (a la Croom)

 

[Dawgbreeze]

We do have inbounds plays but everybody zones the inbound plays under their own basket. Dee lost the ball in the backcourt and then Richmond scored on the breakaway. He then was fouled and missed 2 straight free throws. I have a hard time blaming anybody for that because Dee is our best ballhandler. It happened and we paid for it. Now Rider was bad but under that analogy, Trent Johnson should be run out of Louisiana for some of LSU's losses. Stans is consistent and we can argue this until we are blue in the face, but he is the most successful coach on our campus right now. Maybe we should be grateful and get behind him. I think most folks do, but we have folks who will blame him no matter what he does and thank God he could give a schit what most of them say.

 

[hatfieldms]

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[Hanmudog]

Yeah it is just hell going to the NCAA tournament 6 of 8 years (soon to be 7 of 9) and winning the West on a regular basis with an occasional SEC tournament title thrown in there. Man that is just hell to be stuck in. Ask an Arkansas, Auburn, or Ole Miss fan what basketball purgatory feels like.

On a side note: Byrne would look like the biggest dipshit in the world if he were to get rid of Stansbury for losing in the NCAA tournament. If he has back to back losing seasons like Brady did or Richard Williams did then I would be the first to want his *** gone but I am not going to ***** about 50 point wins and 23 win seasons like some do on here. Or be bitching about a game that was 8 straight wins ago. If you don't enjoy MSU basketball and complain after wins and losses then why follow it at all?

 

[goldeneye]

Ok, lets say for example against Valley we shoot 50% of our shots from the 3 and only hit 36%. At the end of the game, we are up by 2 and Bost gets ripped and the Valley player goes down and shoots a game winning 3. Are you going to blame Bost for not executing on that one play as the reason we lost the game OR are you going to blame the coach who either had your players launch 50% of their shots from beind the arch or better yet allowed them to keep doing it on their own after its obvious they werent falling enough? id be pissed at Bost, dont get me wrong, but when youre returning the starting 5 from a tournament team, one play really shouldnt decide a play against a Richmond. And honestly the Richmond loss wouldnt be that bad, except that it was preceded by the Rider one.

 

[Stormrider81]

He's never gotten the credit he deserves. When he wins the credit is given to the players and the fact that he is some sorth of mythically great recruiter. When he loses he is then landblasted as the worst floor coach in SEC basketball history. Stansbury has to be the most underappreciated coach in MSU history.

 

[goldeneye]

There are way more Stans supporters than there are haters. BU tthe problem is when the Stans supportesrs are also realists and actualy point out his flwas, the ones the feel like he can do no wrong put them in the boat as haters. I support Stans but Ill admit its frustrating to not see him improve that much as a floor coach. I appreciate the West titles, etc but its just painful to me to tell how great he could be if he improved or got some help with his most glaring weakness. Its like Shaquille O'Neal if he only one Western championships but never won in the finals due to missed free throws. It would drive me crazy as a Shaq fan to know how many rings he could have had if he just put more effort/practice into shooting free throws. Lucky for Shaq, he was surrounded by great players to help overcome his weakness. Stans just needs someone, preferably an assistant coach, to do the same with him.

 

[Stormrider81]

I've never said Stansbury was perfect. He has his flaws like every other coach. He has his shortcomings. Sometimes he frustrates me. However, if one is fair they will see that the good with Stansbury far outweighs the bad. The problem people have, and if you paid attention you would see this, is that some of the people won't give Stansbury credit for much if anything he has done. Every game he loses is his fault while he gets no credit for winning.

 

[BriantheDawg]

we win that game. Period. If you want to blame the Richmond loss on any particular person, you can blame Dee Bost.

 

[OEMDawg]

Yes Stans did lose the Richmond game. When you have a lead and go into the prevent offense well before the 4 minute timeout I damn sure will place a big part of the blame on the coach. It's funny that you want to bash on the "Stansbury haters" after a loss, but there were more than a fair share of fans on this board, as well as radio guys, newspaper beat writers, and national sportswriters that pretty much assumed MSU would be 14-1 at worst with this schedule. What do you idiots want? It's obvious Stans can't handle a big boy out of conference schedule, so when the team slips up with schedules like this you start beating your chest at the "haters" because we DONT go undefeated? Unreal.

 

[HippyDawg]

It is time to take the next step don't you think?

Or is getting to the tourney 4 out of every 6 years enough to be coach for life? (Cough . . . Ron Polk . . . Cough)

 

[smitty4msu]

Let me start by saying that I agree Stans isn't perfect, but he has earned some job security and support from the fanbase.

Look at this way: If Stans were to leave for another job, Byrne would almost certainly find a quality coach to replace him that could eventually pass Stans. I mean, we have a solid, healthy basketball program as far was total wins and fan support, and we have shown that we are not impatient with our coaches. That is attractive for potential coaches.

Now, if we are to fire Stans for not having more success in the NCAA tourney, it will be extremely difficult to find a coach worth hiring that is willing to come into that situation. They will look and see that MSU fired its most successful coach in school history simply because he couldn't win the big game and despite the fact that he has plenty of hardware in the trophy case. I have a feeling we would have to dig pretty deep down on our list of potential replacements.

So, the way I see it is that those of you that want Stans gone have to hope for him to have multiple losing seasons, and then hope you like the next coach we get. And it seems that some hope for that.

I for one agree with those that have called for an assistant that is known for developing and teaching a zone offense among other things. I know Stans isn't perfect, but calling for his job (as a few have done) isn't really responsible.

 

[fishwater99]

I think one of these fools is Stans or Meo...

 

[HD6]

Gary Ervin? Vernon Goodridge?

 

[HippyDawg]

I like Stansbury and want him to succeed. I simply asked what level of success people were comfortable. I expect big things from this team this season.

 

[fishwater99]

I know you are neither... But I wonder about a few posters...