Random Thoughts Post-Washington

MacNit

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Penn State Football is what it has been for a few years now. We are a very good program with quality players deserving of NFL elevation. Players develop well physically, and they are coached well at most aspects of the game. We don't recruit well enough to hang with the best in college football and for reasons that escape me we cannot, on occasion, punch above our weight and beat the very best. But that measuring stick only applies to 4-5 teams in college football. It's a program that is, and should be, ranked between 6-10.
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MacNit

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Cherrypicking which quarters were dominant is a little silly, it was a 35-6 game. Penn State is a very strong team, lacking only elite WRs and 1 elite DT. The overall improvement of the program has bee
Improvement from what?
 

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Cherrypicking which quarters were dominant is a little silly, it was a 35-6 game. Penn State is a very strong team, lacking only elite WRs and 1 elite DT. The overall improvement of the program has been significant.
The WR's are improving. That said, having at least one elite receiver would make Penn State a huge challenge for just about any opponent.
 
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I even wore my whitey tighties!
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Normally I'd agree but it was pretty obvious that ball wasn't a catch. It was a waste of a TO in that situation as the replay was pretty clear.
Debating how valuable a time out is (unless I'm misunderstanding) when you are up by 28 in the third quarter....? Damn, fire his ***.
 
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Agree on the "domination" for the first half. Second half - that very long, clock-eating drive was very impressive, but I don't know if you can call 7-3 "dominating." What Alabama did to LSU and arguably Ole Miss did to Georgia, now those performances were "dominating." I was a bit concerned when UW brought in their 2nd string QB and he seemed to be on the verge of bringing them back. At a 28-3 deficit, I don't think there was ever a chance of UW coming back to win, but they could've made it a lot closer.

I still think Penn State's defense never gets enough credit. They have been doing yeoman's work (especially when certain players are continuously held by the opposing offense). Their worst performances were Bowling Green and USC, both games still won by PSU. OSU was their third worst performance but they did score a defensive TD, so you could argue that the PSU defense kept OSU to a net 13 points. Tom Allen may not be everyone's cup of tea, but he looks like a great hire to me.
How about 14-3 because that holding call was ? and in the red zone when time expired? Look, as a coach if everything was clicking, I detected halftime. It's like freezing a shooter who just made 5 consecutive 3s.
The perfect game in football has never been played. Too early to empty the bench and Washington isn't great but they aren't dog poop either. The second half had to be played but both teams and coaching staffs knew the game was over.
 

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Mid August:

Hey, PSU is 8-1 and ranked 6th in the 1st CFP poll and possibly move up to 4th in the 2nd CFP poll. The only loss is to Ohio State by 7 points, and defeated USC, Wisconsin (on the road) and a ranked Illinois team.
BWI Board: Yeah! We got a shot at a deep run in the playoffs!

Early November:

Hey, PSU is 8-1 and ranked 6th in the 1st CFP poll and possibly move up to 4th in the 2nd CFP poll. The only loss is to Ohio State by 7 points, and defeated USC, Wisconsin (on the road) and a ranked Illinois team.
BWI Board: We suck and the head coach should first be booed at home and then fired from his job! We should get a better coach who we all know will absolutely beat Ohio State and never potentially lose to any other program.
 

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I could see these matchups. Bama scares me. They have threats everywhere and looked like world beaters last night at LSU. Georgia would be a very winnable game. They’ve been shaky all season long and Beck turns the ball over. Their WRs are surprisingly nothing special. It’s amazing how far they’ve fallen in terms of total team quality since just last year.
Why? Why does any SEC team scare you this year? Yes Bama looked like world beaters against LSU. They also looked like a MAC team against Vandy and should have lost to SC. Georgia looked like old Georgia against Texas but Beck is colorblind, throwing picks constantly. Ole Miss? Does anyone really trust Kiffin? LSU lost to USC. Just up and down the standings every team has weaknesses.

Penn State was right there against a top roster and a top 5 team. They don't have any gaudy wins but I can live with slow and steady. A home playoff game will do wonders for recruiting. NIL and the 12 team change everything now.
 

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Your response is, “are you on your period?”
Correct.
A. It’s funny.
B. His reaction is completely over the top as my post was pretty mild and actually pretty positive. Hence the joke. The Franklin matters more than psu guys love to go over the top on such things. They did the same for paterno and that turned out splendidly for everyone.

The more you think about it, the guys who come on here and make fun of fellow fans don’t realize that the reason the program is where it is is because of the fans and alums. There are no white outs without them. They stayed during the dark years and the paterno ending. Despite the complete inability to beat the better programs, they still show up. They are loyal to the program and its success, not the coach. Some people just can’t accept that.
 

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Penn State doesn’t “hang” with the best in college football. Gee I thought they lost by 7 to OSU, the best roster in college football money can buy, and had a chance to tie the game with 5 minutes left in the game. I guess two loss Georgia and Alabama suck too.
It's really simple if you are understanding my OP. The teams you reference and I reference have routinely made the playoffs. We haven't even once and in only one year were we even under consideration. As stated, we are a No. 6 through 10 program. Certainly a point of pride but reason enough to expect us to break through either by beating a top program in recent years or making the playoffs under the old system. Just hasn't happened.
 

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I get that in hindsight, but I disagree. I’ve seen replays where they say the receiver got a hand under the ball and it is a catch before it touches the ground. If PSU puts 7 on the board on that drive, it’s the knockout punch. It was worth a look.
If they aren't already doing it, the coaches should have someone dedicated to watching a quick replay of the play before telling Franklin on the headset to call a TO. I would be surprised if that's not the case. In this instance that process would have been very fast as only one look at it again would show it was incomplete. I think Franklin let the insistence by the players on the field that it was a catch influence his decision.
 

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I was late to my seats and missed the pregame activities, so I just found out that Franklin was booed in introductions. Some people really need to stop and look in the mirror. Pathetic. We're Top 5 in the nation and getting better!
 

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I was late to my seats and missed the pregame activities, so I just found out that Franklin was booed in introductions. Some people really need to stop and look in the mirror. Pathetic. We're Top 5 in the nation and getting better!
A portion of this fanbase still thinks its 1986 and the younger generations were brought up in the what have you don't for me lately era. I'm not surprised anymore by anything some do in this fanbase.
 
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This^^^

It was a good use of a timeout as overruling the incomplete pass to make it complete would have continued the drive. Why people continue to bash Franklin for TO management is ridiculous.
The clock was also running down to under 5 seconds when the TO was called. I think the FG unit got sent in a little late and tings looke
I was surprised that JF was not asked about this. star player disappears for 2nd half and not seen on the sideline.
He ran the 2nd half KO for a TD that was called back. Shortly after that he had a run that went for about 9 yards and landed awkwardly on his head. Left the field and didn't return. Could have been a concussion or a stinger.
 
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We'll be in the playoffs with 2 losses. It's almost a certainty based on how things are shaking out.
You think?

I see no ”great wins”
There would be a crappy loss

I looking across other current one and/or two loss teams, it seems like they all have a great win and only one loss.

I am just no optimistic PSU gets in with two losses.
 
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Nits74

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You think?

I see no ”great wins”
There would be a crappy loss

I looking across other current one and/or two loss teams, it seems like they all have a great win and only one loss.

I am just no optimistic PSU gets in with two losses.
Agree. That would be a rough road. A loss to any one of the remaining three would be damning. Minnesota? They just lost to Rutgers. At this point, I think Penn State wins out, but it's not a slam dunk.
 

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You think?

I see no ”great wins”
There would be a crappy loss

I looking across other current one and/or two loss teams, it seems like they all have a great win and only one loss.

I am just no optimistic PSU gets in with two losses.
PSU was already ahead of 1 loss ND last week and they have a quality win over A&M. PSU was already ahead of 1 loss Tenn who has wins over Bama and Oklahoma. PSU was ahead of undefeated Indiana and BYU. The committee is already showing that they value PSU and their only loss being against OSU compared to the losses these other teams have. I think we're a lock with 2 losses unless it's a bad blowout loss or something, but even that may not matter.
 

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2nd layers of Kotelnicki base concepts came out vs. Washington
 

no1lion99

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It's really simple if you are understanding my OP. The teams you reference and I reference have routinely made the playoffs. We haven't even once and in only one year were we even under consideration. As stated, we are a No. 6 through 10 program. Certainly a point of pride but reason enough to expect us to break through either by beating a top program in recent years or making the playoffs under the old system. Just hasn't happened.
While this is true, it is also misleading. If 2016 happens now we are in, period. It's also pretty hard to argue that in 2017 and 2018 we weren't at least OSU's equal, posting 1 point losses both years. Sometimes things don't go your way.

Getting in the 4 team was basically a self-reinforcing position. Being in meant more 4/5 stars wanted to play for you, which meant you were more likely to keep getting in. The rich get richer and all. It also factored in the "well last year they were in/won so we give them the benefit of the doubt for this year too". The SEC keeps ranking high because...they keep ranking high...which keeps their SOS high...which keeps them in the rankings. As long as we involve rankings any debate about this is subjective. Why do you think the 12 team includes the words "highest rank" in front of Conference Champs? Imagine 2022 had Purdue beaten Michigan? Wanna bet me who would get an at large and who would get left out for a different conference champ?

NIL is also rapidly changing the landscape. Gone are the days where a team like OSU can stack multiple 5 stars at many positions. Big donors at other schools will write checks to lure them and some will move. Even starters! (yes I realize this is UNLV).

Franklin is who he is at this point and I won't defend anything he did in the OSU game but it was pretty clear we belonged on the field with OSU. The taunting call was weak, the OSU INT in the end zone was a fluke freak play, Dinkins was interfered with, and I would still bet money that Kaytron could get 1-2 yards, even if I didn't think he should get three tries.

I believe the issue that PSU has this year is that, despite the eye candy, they don't wow anyone. They have talent everywhere except WR, and they are consistent. They aren't winning 56-10, but they have been winning or in every game and never looked like the inferior team in any game. Can you say that for any other team in America besides maybe Oregon and IU? I would say IU looked pretty shaky against a bad Michigan team last week. Name an SEC team that hasn't laid an egg at least once?
 

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