Recruiting FYI

[NWADawg]

I just spoke to the dad of a 4 star OL prospect. Here are some of his comments:

1. The room at the stadium where State brings recruits pre-game is small and uncomfortable for 10-15 kids plus guests. Said UGA and Bama could probably handle close to a hundred kids at once. Other schools use practice facilities and just shuttle over.

2. Said it seems State is complaining about other people cheating/paying instead of just cheating/paying too - at least not at same level as others.

3. All SEC schools have state of art work out areas, etc. Seemed every school is either just updated or about to start updating. Lots of keeping up with Jones' going on.

4. A&M said that they have 20 mil in NIL to spread across all scholarship players guaranteed.

5. Also said Bama and UGA were the only 2 that had young ladies as escorts (respectable show them around campus type, not the hoochie mama ole miss kind)

 

[paindonthurt]

We just had one of our top 5 or 10 best recruiting classes and signed a slew of olinemen.

 

[Smoked Toag]

A&M said that they have 20 mil in NIL to spread across all scholarship players guaranteed.

I find it hilarious that people believe this stuff.

 

[harrydawg.sixpack]

So you don’t think ATM and others have promised NIL deals in the millions? You think that is a false?

 

[paindonthurt]

They may have promised deals in the millions but IF they are contributing $20 million per year or 4 years even, college football is over. At least as we know it.

 

[NWADawg]

They may have promised deals in the millions but IF they are contributing $20 million per year or 4 years even, college football is over. At least as we know it.

I'm not claiming true or untrue. I am claiming that they convinced the dad it is true. I've talked to this dad a couple times through work and he is a relatively smart successful guy.

On a positive, he did say that State was not out of it - not a front runner but not out.

 

[HotMop]

Should showcase the Pony more, poor job on our guys for not doing the right thing.

 

[paindonthurt]

That response was to harrydawg.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

So you don’t think ATM and others have promised NIL deals in the millions? You think that is a false?

I hypothesize that it won't last. People will get tired of shelling out that much money for uncertainty, and it will come back to Earth. Right now it's new and shiny, being able to do that out in the open, but I don't think the ROI on that big of an investment is going to be worth it.

And if I'm wrong about that, the conferences will get involved and set some kind of cap with real and significant punishments for breaking it.

 

[Rezdog]

I'm not claiming true or untrue. I am claiming that they convinced the dad it is true. I've talked to this dad a couple times through work and he is a relatively smart successful guy.

On a positive, he did say that State was not out of it - not a front runner but not out.

So you're saying there's a chance.

 

[ZombieKissinger]

There seems to be a pretty limited number of 4 star OL recruits who’ve visited us, A&M, UGA and Bama

 

[Cooterpoot]

NWA going to NWA

 

[PBDog]

I hypothesize that it won't last. People will get tired of shelling out that much money for uncertainty, and it will come back to Earth. Right now it's new and shiny, being able to do that out in the open, but I don't think the ROI on that big of an investment is going to be worth it.

And if I'm wrong about that, the conferences will get involved and set some kind of cap with real and significant punishments for breaking it.

Sounds like you don’t know any rich Bama fans

 

[GloryDawg]

I hypothesize that it won't last. People will get tired of shelling out that much money for uncertainty, and it will come back to Earth. Right now it's new and shiny, being able to do that out in the open, but I don't think the ROI on that big of an investment is going to be worth it.

And if I'm wrong about that, the conferences will get involved and set some kind of cap with real and significant punishments for breaking it.

Especially when these guys transfers out the next season for another NIL deal.

 

[GloryDawg]

If the Bama QB made 900k this past season, I wonder how much he will make next season.

 

[codeDawg]

They may have promised deals in the millions but IF they are contributing $20 million per year or 4 years even, college football is over. At least as we know it.

It’s been over. People just don’t want to admit it.

 

[Shmuley]

5. Also said Bama and UGA were the only 2 that had young ladies as escorts (respectable show them around campus type, not the hoochie mama ole miss kind)

Well, our bat girls aren't doing anything at the moment.

 

[047Dog]

It’s been over. People just don’t want to admit it.

Exactly. What's changed? While LT was pinching pennies in the 90s with our 10 million dollar budget, Bama had a 100 million dollar budget. Now, thanks to SEC revenue sharing, our budget is ~110 million and Bama is now at 250. We are STILL a have not, we just have more money at our disposal to put a better shade of lipstick on the pig.

 

[The Peeper]

-Bama and GA are not the only ones using young ladies as escorts. We use them, I know two that are daughters of my friends, and they seldom get to tailgate w/ us anymore because they're always helping with recruits.
-If a recruit or his dad decides to sign or doesn't sign w/ a university because they are not impressed by the size of a room they'll never be in again then, well........
-Sounds like this dads 4* didn't get an offer...........

 

[Dawgbite]

Recruiting Rules:
1. Never have the hookers and the parents in the same room at the same time.
2. Never call the hookers on a University issued cellular device.
3. everything else is pretty much fair game.

 

[Maroonthirteen]

A buddy of mine.... his son signed with a ACC school. He had offers from many ACC schools and a few sec.

His words. Mississippi State was the most conservative visit they had. They were reminded of the rules often. This was during Moorhead era.

He said OM was playing games. Turned him off.

The school his son signed with, rolled out the red carpet but they barley met the HC. Just assistants. He said their hostess was smoking hot.

 

[paindonthurt]

10/100 is 10%
100/250 is 40%

The gap has been narrowed and we’ve passed a lot of people by since the early 90s. Whether you want to admit it or not. Of course bama is way ahead of us, that is true.

But the new NIL deal is abt to make a top 6 to top 15 that won’t be in the same league as anyone else. IF PEOPLE LIKE TEXAS AM are really putting together $20m.

If that happens, those 10 or so teams will eventually have their own league.

Then everyone else will have something that looks different.

 

[047Dog]

10/100 is 10%
100/250 is 40%

The gap has been narrowed and we’ve passed a lot of people by since the early 90s. Whether you want to admit it or not. Of course bama is way ahead of us, that is true.

But the new NIL deal is abt to make a top 6 to top 15 that won’t be in the same league as anyone else. IF PEOPLE LIKE TEXAS AM are really putting together $20m.

If that happens, those 10 or so teams will eventually have their own league.

Then everyone else will have something that looks different.

Sure, we may have gotten to or past equal footing with other middling programs, but we don't know for sure because we compete in the SEC where we fall in the 8-13 range of the pecking order depending on the season. So while we may hold our own against a Kansas State, NC State, or other mid-tier program from another conference that we play against one time the only other measuring stick is a bowl game. And as you have seen in numerous threads on here, those apparently don't matter anymore.

So, once again does it really matter? We are in the bottom tier of the conference we currently compete in. And we still have the smallest budget.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

Dad sounds like a pathetic, horny old goat and a gold digger. Don't need.

 

[aTotal360]

Not surprised. Not surprised. Not surprised. Not surprised. And not surprised.

 

[Seinfeld]

Yep, and personally, I find it amazing that there are people out there that D’ONT think a school like A&M is burning through $20 mil on NIL. They just signed 25 4-5* players, and hell… Jimbo all but spelled out to everyone that they’ve been doing well before NIL was a thing

 

[Go Budaw]

They may have promised deals in the millions but IF they are contributing $20 million per year or 4 years even, college football is over. At least as we know it.

They are, and it is.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

We could easily have a top 20 crootin budget instead of top 50….

 

[ChinaDogSunflower]

I just spoke to the dad of a 4 star OL prospect. Here are some of his comments:

1. The room at the stadium where State brings recruits pre-game is small and uncomfortable for 10-15 kids plus guests. Said UGA and Bama could probably handle close to a hundred kids at once. Other schools use practice facilities and just shuttle over.

2. Said it seems State is complaining about other people cheating/paying instead of just cheating/paying too - at least not at same level as others.

3. All SEC schools have state of art work out areas, etc. Seemed every school is either just updated or about to start updating. Lots of keeping up with Jones' going on.

4. A&M said that they have 20 mil in NIL to spread across all scholarship players guaranteed.

5. Also said Bama and UGA were the only 2 that had young ladies as escorts (respectable show them around campus type, not the hoochie mama ole miss kind)

Not saying it's true, but I've seen more than enough to corroborate this in my mind. It was already a given since $Cam

 

[8dog]

What is your basis for saying our recruiting budget should be Top 20?

 

[Smoked Toag]

Yep, and personally, I find it amazing that there are people out there that D’ONT think a school like A&M is burning through $20 mil on NIL. They just signed 25 4-5* players, and hell… Jimbo all but spelled out to everyone that they’ve been doing well before NIL was a thing

20M, huh? That's like almost 1M per player. I don't know what line of work you are in, but people can't just 'do' that, for literally no return on investment besides your team winning.

Walter White didn't make but 80M and he was the meth kingpin of the Southwest.

The 3 richest Waltons are worth over 60B a piece. Why isn't Arkansas getting this done? It's because it doesn't work that way. It's simply not worth it. That number isn't just cash sitting around the basement.

A&M is paying players, for sure, which they've been doing since the 80s. They've been in the Top 10 since Jimbo got there save for his first class after he was hired and they were 17. They rose up this year, and it probably is a combination of beating Bama and playing players, for sure. But 20M? Come on.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Some people do weird **** for their hobbies and things that make them feel better about themselves. We have billionaires building rockets to take them to them to space just because they can. These Texas billionaires that want their team to be first for dick measuring contest against another billionaires. Who knows what they are willing to give.

 

[PooPopsBaldHead]

20M, huh? That's like almost 1M per player. I don't know what line of work you are in, but people can't just 'do' that, for literally no return on investment besides your team winning.

Walter White didn't make but 80M and he was the meth kingpin of the Southwest.

The 3 richest Waltons are worth over 60B a piece. Why isn't Arkansas getting this done? It's because it doesn't work that way. It's simply not worth it. That number isn't just cash sitting around the basement.

A&M is paying players, for sure, which they've been doing since the 80s. They've been in the Top 10 since Jimbo got there save for his first class after he was hired and they were 17. They rose up this year, and it probably is a combination of beating Bama and playing players, for sure. But 20M? Come on.

You have very little appreciation for how many Aggies there are, how much money they have, and how stupid they are about A&M football. 500,000+ living alumni. They raised $270 million dollars in 2013 alone for the updates to Kyle Field. $20 million in donations to pay players doesn't move the needle.

 

[Smoked Toag]

Some people do weird **** for their hobbies and things that make them feel better about themselves. We have billionaires building rockets to take them to them to space just because they can. These Texas billionaires that want their team to be first for dick measuring contest against another billionaires. Who knows what they are willing to give.

I hope MSU is right there waiting in the wings (i.e. portal) for all these guys to get upset and transfer within 2 years. We really do sit in a good position to take the leftovers from the SECW haves. And that chip on their shoulder they will have? That's even better.

I mean both Tyrell Shavers and Scott Lashley were immediate starters for us, and maybe Shavers works out had it not been a COVID year with all that 17ed up stuff, and Costello maybe panned out with more practice, whatever, we will never know, but he definitely had talent and better than most WRs we sign. Marcus Banks will be immediate impact too. I wish we could pick up Alex Adams or Deion Smith from LSU, but I bet they'll end up at Ole Miss.

So far on 247 for 2022, we have 0.88 average ratings coming in, vs. 0.84 going out. That dog will hunt. For 2021, the numbers aren't really clear because the rule just started, but getting Polk/Charlton/Green/Calvin heavily outweigh the losses.

Good luck, aTm. We'll be waiting. The one DL from Mississippi they bought ended up in jail for a little while, I think.

 

[Smoked Toag]

You have very little appreciation for how many Aggies there are, how much money they have, and how stupid they are about A&M football. 500,000+ living alumni. They raised $270 million dollars in 2013 alone for the updates to Kyle Field. $20 million in donations to pay players doesn't move the needle.

Maybe not. So let's say it's all true. The consolation prize is going to be watching the shift of power out of Alabama, and I for one would welcome that. And watching them keep up this billion dollar game will be funny, especially if the weirdness of aTm hampers them from success like it has their entire existence. Been hearing this 'sleeping giant' deal forever, maybe it finally comes true this time.

I will say that it appears that they have ventured out of TX to get top defensive linemen. That makes you think Jimbo has it together. TX talent alone hasn't done much outside of Vince Young and Johnny.

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

20M, huh? That's like almost 1M per player.

His post said $20M for all scholarship players, not all signees. So more like $230k per player. Still a lot of money, but much different than almost $1M each for players who have never stepped on the field.

But even if it was just for the signing class, I doubt they'd have much trouble coming up with $20M per year in NIL money.

 

[PooPopsBaldHead]

Nice pivot. I hate the underachieving 17er's more than you will ever imagine. Plenty of talent in Texas at every position. Damn near half the QBs in the NFL playoffs from Texas. Dozens of dlineman and olineman in the NFL as well. Aggies suck because they hire coaches that are hype and players get smoke blown up their asses from the moment they step on campus.

But with all that said, the idiots have some money.

 

[Smoked Toag]

Nice pivot. I hate the underachieving 17er's more than you will ever imagine. Plenty of talent in Texas at every position. Damn near half the QBs in the NFL playoffs from Texas. Dozens of dlineman and olineman in the NFL as well. Aggies suck because they hire coaches that are hype and players get smoke blown up their asses from the moment they step on campus.

But with all that said, the idiots have some money.

No pivot at all. Let me be clear because you obviously don't get it....I do not believe they spent that type of money. It's called a hypothetical. They may start winning, NIL or not. Depends on if Jimbo can neutralize the weirdness.

And Texas talent is soft, on a per capita basis. That's why they haven't won big, except for having 2 All-World QBs.

 

[PooPopsBaldHead]

No pivot at all. Let me be clear because you obviously don't get it....I do not believe they spent that type of money. It's called a hypothetical. They may start winning, NIL or not. Depends on if Jimbo can neutralize the weirdness.

And Texas talent is soft, on a per capita basis. That's why they haven't won big, except for having 2 All-World QBs.

Yes, you are right.

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[thatsbaseball]

Once again that 20mil is now deductible...that's a big deal .