Darnold, Barrett, Luwerke, Stroud....not like a pantheon of Hall of Fame QBs. When will the defense actually show up late in a game?
Recurring PSU Football Theme -- Late Lead, Shredded in the 4th Quarter
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Franklin’s teams MO and he owns it at $7.5 million a year.
I’m disgruntled. There is no good way to lose, but we had a shot today. I was feeling pretty gruntled early in the 4th quarter, and then the wheels fell off. It happened, again, but I won’t pretend to know why. For some reason, the wheels fell off. Lots of MOVING. PARTS. 
when you consider all the coaches and players, on offense and defense, but the bottom line is that the team fell apart late when they had a chance to win. 
when you consider all the coaches and players, on offense and defense, but the bottom line is that the team fell apart late when they had a chance to win.
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You should be pretty accustomed to this by now, Bob.I’m disgruntled. There is no good way to lose, but we had a shot today. I was feeling pretty gruntled early in the 4th quarter, and then the wheels fell off. It happened, again, but I won’t pretend to know why. For some reason, the wheels fell off. Lots of MOVING. PARTS
I've lowered my expectations. 10-2 with NYD bowl game might be the ceiling from now on
I looked at the last three games and I thought the best this team could do was 1-2. There is no reason to be all that upset.
Don’t be mad at Clifford. He is average at best. After six years we all know what he gives you. Putting him out there and asking him to produce miracles is just wrong. You have to look at the men who put Clifford in that position, and don’t put the blame on him.
Franklin gives you the same thing almost every year. Losses to ranked teams. 4th quarter collapses. Bowl victories only over teams with names like Memphis. Then he complains about spending more money, just so he can give you the same results. This is the coach who raved after another loss to tOSU that more had to be done for Penn Stste to be elite. That’s true. However it begins with getting rid of him, unless you want nine more years of the same.
So how do you get rid of An overpaid coach with a guaranteed contract? You make life unbearable for him. Ask the hard questions. Put the blame on him and don’t let him do his dance. Then, pray Auburn or someone else hires him away. At least that would be my plan.
Don’t be mad at Clifford. He is average at best. After six years we all know what he gives you. Putting him out there and asking him to produce miracles is just wrong. You have to look at the men who put Clifford in that position, and don’t put the blame on him.
Franklin gives you the same thing almost every year. Losses to ranked teams. 4th quarter collapses. Bowl victories only over teams with names like Memphis. Then he complains about spending more money, just so he can give you the same results. This is the coach who raved after another loss to tOSU that more had to be done for Penn Stste to be elite. That’s true. However it begins with getting rid of him, unless you want nine more years of the same.
So how do you get rid of An overpaid coach with a guaranteed contract? You make life unbearable for him. Ask the hard questions. Put the blame on him and don’t let him do his dance. Then, pray Auburn or someone else hires him away. At least that would be my plan.
Two best players on the field; Harrison, Jr. and J.T. Tuimoloau. Each dominated. PSU doesn't have a dominant player. Was it 24 points off turnovers? Killer.I’m disgruntled. There is no good way to lose, but we had a shot today. I was feeling pretty gruntled early in the 4th quarter, and then the wheels fell off. It happened, again, but I won’t pretend to know why. For some reason, the wheels fell off. Lots of MOVING. PARTS
I’m with you. I won’t make believe to know all the in’s and outs. But I do know this. This Ohio State team was not markedly more physically talented than this Penn State team. At a certain point, it comes down to coaching. We were clearly out-coached and it really, really disappoints me. I’m not really sure how else to say it. I think we could have won this this game but we were out-coached by Ohio State. Again.I’m disgruntled. There is no good way to lose, but we had a shot today. I was feeling pretty gruntled early in the 4th quarter, and then the wheels fell off. It happened, again, but I won’t pretend to know why. For some reason, the wheels fell off. Lots of MOVING. PARTS
Back in the day, playing for a great bowl game was a goal. I think that’s why many of us were ok with going 9-3, 10-2 etc because it meant we’d see PSU play on New Years etc. Now with the conference championships and the National Championship games, the bowls don‘t mean as much especially to the younger fans. Things have changed… and Like it or not, we have to make some changes… whatever those changes might be…. to be able to win games like this one today.
Hang in there everyone!
2031 is not that far away.
2031 is not that far away.
Maybe I’m dumb, but I’m not sure how T
osu suddenly driving for TDs easily in the 4th quarter squares with getting outcoached. PSU’s defense had been playing well, but suddenly they were out of position and missing assignments. Sure, one could argue X’s and O’s, but is that it? Why all of a sudden? Or did our players make mistakes? Did our players lose focus? I don’t know, and neither does anyone else here.The bottom line is it isn’t good enough, and the $72 MM bucks stop with Franklin, but we still don’t know what went wrong.
Maybe I’m dumb, but I’m not sure how T
The bottom line is it isn’t good enough, and the $72 MM bucks stop with Franklin, but we still don’t know what went wrong.
No adjustments. How many times did an OSU receiver camp out between the Lbs and DBs? I was listening on the radio and on a late TD drive for OSU they mentioned our DBs were 8 yards off the LOS and had no chance. We see this all the time. There is one constant.
Disagree. The game is won and lost in the trenches. OSU is consistently better there. Stroud had the luxury of sitting in the pocket much more than Clifford.
This drives me crazy. It can be 3rd and 5, and our guys will give 6 yards of cushion. It goes back to the end of the JoePa days.
I agree you shouldn’t blame Clifford, but for **** sake, the first two interceptions
Throwing a 1-yard pass on 3rd and 3 (or whatever it was in the first quarter) that gets intercepted is coaching. A history of losing leads in the 4th quarter is coaching.Maybe I’m dumb, but I’m not sure how T
The bottom line is it isn’t good enough, and the $72 MM bucks stop with Franklin, but we still don’t know what went wrong.
Like I said, I’m not going to make believe to know all of the ins and outs, but I do know that when a trend exists for 9 years and there is one constant, that constant is probably the reason. We didn’t lose this game because of the talent disparity (which I think was the case in the Michigan game). I think this loss is on the coaches.
I’ll save the fan boys time and puke up their defense of the latest outcome.
1. The coaches don’t play the game.
2. They are college kids, we can’t be too critical.
3 What the program needs is more support. Nutrition, nice lounge chairs, $ for coaches.
4. James can recruit as well as anyone.
5. When I coached at Possum Butt Prep I learned things you critics don’t understand.
6. We can still go to a New Years bowl game. You think you deserve more?
7. We are still coming off sanctions not too long ago.
1. The coaches don’t play the game.
2. They are college kids, we can’t be too critical.
3 What the program needs is more support. Nutrition, nice lounge chairs, $ for coaches.
4. James can recruit as well as anyone.
5. When I coached at Possum Butt Prep I learned things you critics don’t understand.
6. We can still go to a New Years bowl game. You think you deserve more?
7. We are still coming off sanctions not too long ago.
Clifford rarely sits in the pocket, whether he could or not.
All games are won and loss in the trenches. All of them. Coaching is part of that.
I do love that he is going to make you gnash your teeth for 9 more years.
I f n hate when we lose, but I get over it quick since it really doesn’t impact my life. CJF lives rent free in your head.
CJF has taken a spot in my head as well. I’m sick of being out-coached.
The good news is that Franklin has 9 more years to put his stamp on the program and reach the elite level.
Point #2 - No they are professional players now because of NIL and I feel I should be able to criticize the hell out of them. When they were amateurs, no they were just students and we should not have been too hard on them.
We were right there. 3 plays ended the game.
1) OSU went fast and the D didn't get lined up on the long run.
2) brown was up as contain man and collapsed in on OT or TE. Osu pulled 2 guys right past his spot and runner waltzed in to the EZ.
3) DE pick 6
1) OSU went fast and the D didn't get lined up on the long run.
2) brown was up as contain man and collapsed in on OT or TE. Osu pulled 2 guys right past his spot and runner waltzed in to the EZ.
3) DE pick 6
"Not markedly more physically talented"?? Which game did you watch?
If you know any way or anybody who can coach up the PSU D line to the level of OSU, you should let CJF know immediately.
OSU has at least two kids on their line who will be first round picks. Don’t know if PSU has more than one who will even be drafted.
No one is hiring James Franklin away from PSU. Unless it’s a TV broadcasting deal.
I’m getting ready to eat some great food and drink some great bourbon. I’m over it already.
Yes, and this is why I wouldn't get too excited about the new QB next year. This staff cannot develop first rate offensive or defensive lines. I don't care how many skill players he recruits, Penn State is not going to be a Top Ten program under Franklin. Either he doesn't recruit or can't develop line players. And at some point the HS skill players may catch on, and stop coming to Penn State. Years like this are probably the ceiling for Penn State. How do you think Blackledge or Collins would have performed behind this offensive line? Yeah, they were both far better than Clifford, but National Championships, no way.
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Larry Johnson was able to do that. I don’t know how to get in touch with Franklin but if you do, let him know.
I’m drinking beer. I’ve accepted our place in the college football landscape as well, sadly.
Is it really the offensive line though? Seems to me that we moved the ball well on first downs, then ****** around with the play calling.
To be totally honest, it was going to take an effort of gargantuan quantity to win today. Everything we did today was a struggle. Passing was hard. Running was hard. Defending that amount of offensive talent was even harder. And they were missing their #1 WR and their #1b RB (he went out after 2 rushes today).
I don't like it. Truthfully I hate it. However, the amount of 5*s and top 100 type kids on the Buckeyes 2 deep eventually overwhelmed us. We needed them to play like shìt and basically they played about 80% great and 20% not great.
Back to your point on the DBs. They couldn't contain Harrison Jr. He's going to be the first WR taken whenever he is draft eligible. Unless JSN goes before him. We did really well to neutralize Egbuka until late when he beat Dixon on a go route. Dixon actually caught up and played the ball decently, but the throw was perfect.
Fleming caught 2 passes, 1 of which we didn't even cover him and another on a quick screen that went for 4 yards. That's pretty good on keeping those 2 from running loose.
The problem we have and had today: weak DL and weak LBs. Your front 4 has to get more pressure than ours did. Your LBs have to be able to cover better than ours do. Our secondary isn't perfect, but with our front 6-7, they have to be or else we fail.
OL was an issue at times as well, particularly RT. Effner held up some, but when he didn't it was DISASTROUS. I hope we get the next man up some experience, be it a recovering Tengwall or Shelton or whoever. Effner is great for depth, but he's not going to hold up vs top 5 talent.
Clifford is who he is and barring injury he's not ceding much time to Allar I don't figure (JF wants 10-2 I'm sure). I would like to see our depth building continue. Need to audition some of these guys. This is a business. You are Essentially semipro. Cut some dead weight. Bring in options from the portal.
Also, John Scott. Time to cut, maybe? I'd pay Robinson highest DL coach/recruiter/associate HC wages and bring him in. Or someone like him.
Everyone is talking about LJ Sr., but they forget about Coach Chaos (Sean Spencer) who was a pretty good DL coach and recruiter. Too bad Penn State still doesn’t have him on the staff.
The line had a good game. They weren't completely overmatched save for RT. We had success running the ball, but we ask too much of 2 true freshman. Allen's is the superior RB, but he doesn't have that next gear yet to turn 5s into 12s and 15s into 50s. Singleton is getting better, running tougher, but he lacks the vision to turn Allen's type of runs into homers against the better competition.
Pass blocking was good, minus RT, but it really felt like we had to work hard for everything we got.
I'll be honest, if it's a dry November day when Michigan plays OSU, I could see it being a shoot out. Perhaps advantage Michigan because they dominated us in the trenches and we contained the Buckeyes for 52 minutes and played punch for punch. But, we might be within 7 if we replayed Michigan today. I don't know.
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