But imagine how many more Cups the Pens would have won if they hadn’t drafted MAF.
I'm not a casual fan, but same with me regarding the Flyers fans. On my dorm floor there were a bunch of Flyer fans who had no regard for anyone else. They would monopolize the study room to play street hockey. And no one could say anything to them. That was the year the Steelers won their first Super Bowl. I got a little payback on that day.
I'm not a casual fan, but same with me regarding the Flyers fans. On my dorm floor there were a bunch of Flyer fans who had no regard for anyone else. They would monopolize the study room to play street hockey. And no one could say anything to them. That was the year the Steelers won their first Super Bowl. I got a little payback on that day.
Steeler fans were just as bad in my day at State. We had to watch the last seconds of a 55-0 win in our TV room in our dorm while the Eagles were playing a close game vs Dallas.I'm not a casual fan, but same with me regarding the Flyers fans. On my dorm floor there were a bunch of Flyer fans who had no regard for anyone else. They would monopolize the study room to play street hockey. And no one could say anything to them. That was the year the Steelers won their first Super Bowl. I got a little payback on that day.
As a long time Flyers fan, it's just sad to see what has become of the franchise.
Well...let me ask. Were the Steeler fans a majority in the TV room? Majority rules my friend. In my case, these guys were NOT the majority.
Well...I guess fans are the same all over. Though most don't throw snowballs at Santa Claus.
You couldn’t pay me to go to an Eagles game. Too many fans think it’s a license to engage in thug activity. Name me one other professional franchise who had a district judge stationed at the stadium to process criminal charges after the game.
Uh, no. You probably never saw Boomer--he wasn't around long for obvious reasons.
Dumbest & stupidest mascot in sports!
Steely McBeam included.
Uh, no. You probably never saw Boomer--he wasn't around long for obvious reasons.
Gotta be the Columbus Blue Jackets. They shoot off a cannon after the team scores.
That kid Jagr was pretty good too.
I don’t know if you would call that “draft lucky”. They were pretty bad leading up to those drafts to “earn” those picks. Plus, the franchise was in complete disarray from an ownership perspective and there rumors of a sale and possibly moving the franchise. That’s how Lemieux ended up owning the franchise.
Full disclose before I say this and I am not arguing with you or attacking you, just giving you my perspective. I’m a Pens fan who has a lot of friends who are Flyers fans.
Given that the position was determined by lottery? Lucky. Given that the they got to draft well two years running from only one bad season, due to the missed season (lockout)? Still a bit lucky. The Blue jackets have had more bad seasons, overall, than the Pens. In all their seasons they've only drafted the no. 1 pick once--and that due to a trade. Other than that? One No. 2, two No. 3's (one of which was involved in the Nash trade). That's it. That Pens team was born on third base and the fans think they hit a triple.
Spoken like a true bitter Flyers fan.
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It's easy to hit it out of the park if you draft that high. As I noted, the Jackets, by lottery, have only ever had one #2 pick. In 20+ seasons. Zero #1's by the lottery. The Pens had three #1 or #2 in four years (and a fourth by trade).Pittsburgh Penguins Historical Statistics and All-Time Top Leaders | Hockey-Reference.com
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The 01-02 Pens only had 28 wins, 69 points and finished 5th in the Atlantic, missing the playoffs.
02-03 27 wins, 65 points, 5th, no playoffs
03-04 23 wins, 58 points, 5th, no playoffs
05-06 22 wins, 58 points, 5th, no playoffs.
So, did they get a favorable lottery, sure. Did they get draft lucky from “only one bad season” as you assert? Not exactly. They were pretty bad for a few years there. As you said, they nailed the high draft picks also. They hit it out of the park. The GM and front office in those drafts were spot on and the Pens have reaped the benefits ever since. Subsequent GMs since then have made very good trades along the way that have kept the team on track.
Making a trade has nothing to do with lottery luck. And that's what we have been talking about. Give me any team, other than the Pens, who had the same lottery luck over 4 years. You'll be waiting quite some time.
Weren’t you the one saying the Pens benefitted from a trade to get another top end pick?
My point was, if you go back to the top of the thread, that one (not the only reason) for the Pens success was getting lucky in the draft-specifically the draft lottery. I haven't moved that bar at all. It's a heck of a lot easier to pick good players when you are picking first or second overall four years running. Sure the Pens had bad seasons. But that's not luck--good or bad, The Jackets have had equally as horrid seasons--over a much longer period of time--but no lottery pick luck.
