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<h2>Editorial: Time for some straight talk</h2> <h4>Editorial Board</h4> <div id="meta"> Issue date: 3/25/08 Section: Opinion </div> <div class="goner" id="cp_article_top"> <ul id="cp_article_top_left"> [*]Print [*] Email [*] Article Tools [/list] <ul id="cp_article_top_right"> [*] <div> Page 1 of 1 </div> [/list] <div class="cp_article_clear"></div> </div> <div id="cp_story_text"> The Great Bulldog Nation has crumbled. Now it's time to pick up the pieces and rebuild The People's University.

For better or worse, MSU President Robert "Doc" Foglesong is departing after just two years on the job. Some have called him a great man who went beyond the call of duty to help advance the university. Others have called him an unqualified, megalomaniacal dictator whose personal goals were more important to him than the interests of the MSU community. Those of us who have lived with him since April 2006 are likely to agree that both descriptions can be considered true.

Great things happened under Foglesong's leadership. New programs were introduced, and student enrollment reached an all-time high. While he did not do these things single-handedly, there is no denying that his drive, knowledge and charisma played a vital role.

He started strong, playing a proactive role among students and faculty, such as inviting student leaders to his home for dinner or dropping in on a class to introduce himself. Administratively, initiatives such as the Appalachian Leadership Honors Program, the Center for America's Veterans, Young Guns and, most notably, the important African-American studies program launched under his direction.

But then a bleaker side of "Doc" began to appear.

Interestingly, the Clarion-Ledger recently reported the following about Foglesong:

"In less than two years as president of Mississippi State University, 'Doc' Foglesong established himself as a laid-back guy willing to talk to all students, not just student leaders."

Sounds great. Unfortunately, it's grossly untrue.

Many troubles with Foglesong started this academic year for students and faculty, but what most people do not know is that The Reflector has experienced this "bad side" since the spring of 2007.

Since that time, Foglesong has refused to speak to The Reflector. And if you think it's likely for a legitimate reason, think again.

Before our first issue of that spring, editor in chief Tyler Stewart received a call from one of the president's assistants requesting that a letter Foglesong had written welcoming students back to campus be published in the upcoming edition. Stewart said it would be fine, and that it would be printed on the opinion page. However, the president requested that it be printed on the front page. The editor explained that by The Reflector's standards, and by most respected newspapers' standards, this was not a feasible option and that if it ran, it would have to go where all letters go.

Rather than compromise, "Doc" presented an ultimatum: It would run on the front page, or it wouldn't run at all. Furthermore, he would no longer speak to The Reflector, even about important campus issues. The editor, as well as the whole editorial staff, decided to stand for journalistic integrity rather than bend to the threat. The same man who expressed the desire to bring award-winning programs to State refused to speak to the college newspaper that ranked No. 1 in the South that year, and in doing so limited learning opportunities for enthusiastic young reporters, and most importantly, students. Meanwhile, University Relations' "Student Express," an official newsletter, came to life.

Bringing this to light now may seem a bit after-the-fact, but it is important to note especially given the upcoming search for a new president. Why did we not previously publicize this? Because we wanted to give "Doc" a chance to come around. Unfortunately it never happened.

To his credit, though, he spoke with a Reflector reporter when Greg Byrne was hired as the new athletic director, and he was very cordial.

This academic year, we have heard more and more stories about staff, students, faculty and even parents experiencing this side of "Doc." It all came to a head this semester with daffodil and architecture stories that seemed trivial at the surface but were indicative of a much deeper underlying problem. Some Reflector staff have received calls or e-mails from concerned parents, students and anonymous employees who felt that the culture and identity of MSU were being sucked away, or that people were being mistreated and undermined.

This is what MSU has been like this year, despite what type of picture the president's office or some media may present. This is the reality the people of this campus and this state, and especially the College Board, must acknowledge.

Is "Doc" an evil man with black helicopters and a penchant for controversy? Of course not. Did he resign because of recent dissent from the MSU community? Who knows?

We believe he is a man who had good intentions coming in but couldn't properly adapt to civilian life and the complex system known as academia. He is a bright man with many accomplishments, and his positive contributions to MSU will leave a lasting impact.

We wish him success with "Plan 1." And we hope MSU can move forward without missing a beat.

Now to the bigger issue: IHL, listen up. No matter how right you think you are, the methods used in the 2006 presidential search were monumentally wrong, and MSU's current debacle has "perfect example of what not to do" written all over it. We may have been Foglesong's "Plan 2," but he wasn't even a top 4 candidate for us. If the College Board is too stubborn to take this seriously and listen to the outstanding majority of alumni, students, faculty and even some state legislators saying the search should be open, they should expect to face far more criticism than our outgoing president. </div>
 

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<h2>Editorial: Time for some straight talk</h2> <h4>Editorial Board</h4> <div id="meta"> Issue date: 3/25/08 Section: Opinion </div> <div class="goner" id="cp_article_top"> <ul id="cp_article_top_left"> [*]Print [*] Email [*] Article Tools [/list] <ul id="cp_article_top_right"> [*] <div> Page 1 of 1 </div> [/list] <div class="cp_article_clear"></div> </div> <div id="cp_story_text"> The Great Bulldog Nation has crumbled. Now it's time to pick up the pieces and rebuild The People's University.

For better or worse, MSU President Robert "Doc" Foglesong is departing after just two years on the job. Some have called him a great man who went beyond the call of duty to help advance the university. Others have called him an unqualified, megalomaniacal dictator whose personal goals were more important to him than the interests of the MSU community. Those of us who have lived with him since April 2006 are likely to agree that both descriptions can be considered true.

Great things happened under Foglesong's leadership. New programs were introduced, and student enrollment reached an all-time high. While he did not do these things single-handedly, there is no denying that his drive, knowledge and charisma played a vital role.

He started strong, playing a proactive role among students and faculty, such as inviting student leaders to his home for dinner or dropping in on a class to introduce himself. Administratively, initiatives such as the Appalachian Leadership Honors Program, the Center for America's Veterans, Young Guns and, most notably, the important African-American studies program launched under his direction.

But then a bleaker side of "Doc" began to appear.

Interestingly, the Clarion-Ledger recently reported the following about Foglesong:

"In less than two years as president of Mississippi State University, 'Doc' Foglesong established himself as a laid-back guy willing to talk to all students, not just student leaders."

Sounds great. Unfortunately, it's grossly untrue.

Many troubles with Foglesong started this academic year for students and faculty, but what most people do not know is that The Reflector has experienced this "bad side" since the spring of 2007.

Since that time, Foglesong has refused to speak to The Reflector. And if you think it's likely for a legitimate reason, think again.

Before our first issue of that spring, editor in chief Tyler Stewart received a call from one of the president's assistants requesting that a letter Foglesong had written welcoming students back to campus be published in the upcoming edition. Stewart said it would be fine, and that it would be printed on the opinion page. However, the president requested that it be printed on the front page. The editor explained that by The Reflector's standards, and by most respected newspapers' standards, this was not a feasible option and that if it ran, it would have to go where all letters go.

Rather than compromise, "Doc" presented an ultimatum: It would run on the front page, or it wouldn't run at all. Furthermore, he would no longer speak to The Reflector, even about important campus issues. The editor, as well as the whole editorial staff, decided to stand for journalistic integrity rather than bend to the threat. The same man who expressed the desire to bring award-winning programs to State refused to speak to the college newspaper that ranked No. 1 in the South that year, and in doing so limited learning opportunities for enthusiastic young reporters, and most importantly, students. Meanwhile, University Relations' "Student Express," an official newsletter, came to life.

Bringing this to light now may seem a bit after-the-fact, but it is important to note especially given the upcoming search for a new president. Why did we not previously publicize this? Because we wanted to give "Doc" a chance to come around. Unfortunately it never happened.

To his credit, though, he spoke with a Reflector reporter when Greg Byrne was hired as the new athletic director, and he was very cordial.

This academic year, we have heard more and more stories about staff, students, faculty and even parents experiencing this side of "Doc." It all came to a head this semester with daffodil and architecture stories that seemed trivial at the surface but were indicative of a much deeper underlying problem. Some Reflector staff have received calls or e-mails from concerned parents, students and anonymous employees who felt that the culture and identity of MSU were being sucked away, or that people were being mistreated and undermined.

This is what MSU has been like this year, despite what type of picture the president's office or some media may present. This is the reality the people of this campus and this state, and especially the College Board, must acknowledge.

Is "Doc" an evil man with black helicopters and a penchant for controversy? Of course not. Did he resign because of recent dissent from the MSU community? Who knows?

We believe he is a man who had good intentions coming in but couldn't properly adapt to civilian life and the complex system known as academia. He is a bright man with many accomplishments, and his positive contributions to MSU will leave a lasting impact.

We wish him success with "Plan 1." And we hope MSU can move forward without missing a beat.

Now to the bigger issue: IHL, listen up. No matter how right you think you are, the methods used in the 2006 presidential search were monumentally wrong, and MSU's current debacle has "perfect example of what not to do" written all over it. We may have been Foglesong's "Plan 2," but he wasn't even a top 4 candidate for us. If the College Board is too stubborn to take this seriously and listen to the outstanding majority of alumni, students, faculty and even some state legislators saying the search should be open, they should expect to face far more criticism than our outgoing president. </div>
 

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<h2>Editorial: Time for some straight talk</h2> <h4>Editorial Board</h4> <div id="meta"> Issue date: 3/25/08 Section: Opinion </div> <div class="goner" id="cp_article_top"> <ul id="cp_article_top_left"> [*]Print [*] Email [*] Article Tools [/list] <ul id="cp_article_top_right"> [*] <div> Page 1 of 1 </div> [/list] <div class="cp_article_clear"></div> </div> <div id="cp_story_text"> The Great Bulldog Nation has crumbled. Now it's time to pick up the pieces and rebuild The People's University.

For better or worse, MSU President Robert "Doc" Foglesong is departing after just two years on the job. Some have called him a great man who went beyond the call of duty to help advance the university. Others have called him an unqualified, megalomaniacal dictator whose personal goals were more important to him than the interests of the MSU community. Those of us who have lived with him since April 2006 are likely to agree that both descriptions can be considered true.

Great things happened under Foglesong's leadership. New programs were introduced, and student enrollment reached an all-time high. While he did not do these things single-handedly, there is no denying that his drive, knowledge and charisma played a vital role.

He started strong, playing a proactive role among students and faculty, such as inviting student leaders to his home for dinner or dropping in on a class to introduce himself. Administratively, initiatives such as the Appalachian Leadership Honors Program, the Center for America's Veterans, Young Guns and, most notably, the important African-American studies program launched under his direction.

But then a bleaker side of "Doc" began to appear.

Interestingly, the Clarion-Ledger recently reported the following about Foglesong:

"In less than two years as president of Mississippi State University, 'Doc' Foglesong established himself as a laid-back guy willing to talk to all students, not just student leaders."

Sounds great. Unfortunately, it's grossly untrue.

Many troubles with Foglesong started this academic year for students and faculty, but what most people do not know is that The Reflector has experienced this "bad side" since the spring of 2007.

Since that time, Foglesong has refused to speak to The Reflector. And if you think it's likely for a legitimate reason, think again.

Before our first issue of that spring, editor in chief Tyler Stewart received a call from one of the president's assistants requesting that a letter Foglesong had written welcoming students back to campus be published in the upcoming edition. Stewart said it would be fine, and that it would be printed on the opinion page. However, the president requested that it be printed on the front page. The editor explained that by The Reflector's standards, and by most respected newspapers' standards, this was not a feasible option and that if it ran, it would have to go where all letters go.

Rather than compromise, "Doc" presented an ultimatum: It would run on the front page, or it wouldn't run at all. Furthermore, he would no longer speak to The Reflector, even about important campus issues. The editor, as well as the whole editorial staff, decided to stand for journalistic integrity rather than bend to the threat. The same man who expressed the desire to bring award-winning programs to State refused to speak to the college newspaper that ranked No. 1 in the South that year, and in doing so limited learning opportunities for enthusiastic young reporters, and most importantly, students. Meanwhile, University Relations' "Student Express," an official newsletter, came to life.

Bringing this to light now may seem a bit after-the-fact, but it is important to note especially given the upcoming search for a new president. Why did we not previously publicize this? Because we wanted to give "Doc" a chance to come around. Unfortunately it never happened.

To his credit, though, he spoke with a Reflector reporter when Greg Byrne was hired as the new athletic director, and he was very cordial.

This academic year, we have heard more and more stories about staff, students, faculty and even parents experiencing this side of "Doc." It all came to a head this semester with daffodil and architecture stories that seemed trivial at the surface but were indicative of a much deeper underlying problem. Some Reflector staff have received calls or e-mails from concerned parents, students and anonymous employees who felt that the culture and identity of MSU were being sucked away, or that people were being mistreated and undermined.

This is what MSU has been like this year, despite what type of picture the president's office or some media may present. This is the reality the people of this campus and this state, and especially the College Board, must acknowledge.

Is "Doc" an evil man with black helicopters and a penchant for controversy? Of course not. Did he resign because of recent dissent from the MSU community? Who knows?

We believe he is a man who had good intentions coming in but couldn't properly adapt to civilian life and the complex system known as academia. He is a bright man with many accomplishments, and his positive contributions to MSU will leave a lasting impact.

We wish him success with "Plan 1." And we hope MSU can move forward without missing a beat.

Now to the bigger issue: IHL, listen up. No matter how right you think you are, the methods used in the 2006 presidential search were monumentally wrong, and MSU's current debacle has "perfect example of what not to do" written all over it. We may have been Foglesong's "Plan 2," but he wasn't even a top 4 candidate for us. If the College Board is too stubborn to take this seriously and listen to the outstanding majority of alumni, students, faculty and even some state legislators saying the search should be open, they should expect to face far more criticism than our outgoing president. </div>
 
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Righted the ship, but pissed alot of people off, which was expected. Then took it a little too far. Oh well, sets up nicely for the next president who will reap the rewards, but do exactly the same things Doc did, although a little more diplomatically.
 

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Faculy can generally whine about one president, but are generally ignored if they complain about consecutive presidents. The college board would be well-served to put another strong leader in place knowing that any opposition has utilized all their leverage.
 

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[b said:
NutherT[/b]]<h2> The editor explained that by The Reflector's standards, and by most respected newspapers' standards, this was not a feasible option and that if it ran, it would have to go where all letters go.</h2>
too bad the reflector sucks and isn't a "respected" newspaper...what a joke. giving any credence to ANY article in that rag is a joke.
 

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I e-mailed and talked to General Fogelsong after his appointment and for about a year, our relationship remained cordial and respectful. Then, I sent him an e-mail alerting him to some of the same issues and the dissent growing among faculty members who were personal friends of mine, among some Bulldog Club members I know, and the word on the street in Starkville from students. That was back late last fall. He responded, "your e-mail is not being constructive." I subsequently sent several other e-mails, only one which he responded too and that was when I told him the brown paint being used on some of the College of Agriculture Buildings was being put on without a primer. I got a one liner that said, "I'll check on it." It seemed to me that he was positive as long as he got positive strokes. He didn't react well to constructive criticism. It seemed it was his way or the highway for some.
 
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If you actually read the Daily Mississippian (UM Newspaper) and the Reflector, the difference is night and day. UM might have the overall better journalism school, but after being a student at both places (MState undergrad, UM law school), I personally enjoyed the Reflector much, much more. The articles were much more informative overall, and the editorials usually weren't baiting for the sake of baiting.
 

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run by 18-22 yr olds. When you take that into consideration, the Reflector's not bad.
 

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but you are correct about the DM: </p>
editorials usually weren't baiting for the sake of baiting
It is terrible and usually written w/ some 18 year old nitwit's political agenda clearing showing through.
 

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Remember the episode when the Mayor came to visit Cheers? Cliff often wrote to politicians in the Boston area. When the mayor came to visit and Cliff introduced himself and mentioned his letters he was arrested and detained.

I'm surprised the same thing didn't happen to you.
 

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KurtRambis4 said:
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NutherT[/b]]<h2>The editor explained that by The Reflector's standards, and by most respected newspapers' standards, this was not a feasible option and that if it ran, it would have to go where all letters go.</h2>
too bad the reflector sucks and isn't a "respected" newspaper...what a joke. giving any credence to ANY article in that rag is a joke.

Care to use any facts to back that up? Or do you simply like to call someone out and run off behind a corner?</p>
 

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It was good most of the time I was a student, except for around 2002 when it got real bad. The word I heard is that the head editor's hometown pastor got a subscription to the Reflector mailed to him and she didn't want to do anything remotely controversial.
 

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From wikipedia, but mentioned here previously:

The student newspaper is the Reflector, published twice per week on Tuesday and Friday. The publication was named the #1 college newspaper in the South in 2007 by the Southeast Journalism Conference. In previous years, The Reflector has consistently ranked in the top 10 among college newspapers in the southern United States.
 

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That's true, and the paper got #2 in the South this year. First place was given to a private university. Given that Mississippi State doesn't have a journalism school, that makes this a little more significant, especially to the university itself.

As to the liberal bias, there are other members of the MSU community, especially members of the Black Student Alliance, who feel the paper is far too conservative.
 
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get a message posted in the school newspaper in some fashion other than a letter, something is wrong. I think it's called not serving the public interest, and was anti-MSU, and Anti-Doc. Sounds like ******** to me. Just my opinion.
 

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whining that they were mistreated. everybody has a boss. boss rules. Dont like it? Split.
 

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get a message posted in the school newspaper in some fashion other than a letter, something is wrong. I think it's called not serving the public interest, and was anti-MSU, and Anti-Doc. Sounds like ******** to me. Just my opinion.

</p>The public interest of The Reflector is first and foremost its students. You have to understand that anything, whether it be a letter or something directly from the president, would go in opinion because it is his opinion. There wouldn't be any objective reporting going on with it. I'm sure he wouldn't directly go out and interview people. He wanted a letter prominently displayed on the front page. Most other newspapers wouldn't have stood for it, either. All other letters, including some he sent previously (I remember reading one in 2006) got published in the Opinion section where they belong. That wasn't good enough for him and he stonewalled Reflector reporters for more than a year. See if you can find how many stories in the web site's archives have "Foglesong could not be reached for comment" or "Foglesong refused comment." The paper itself 1) serves its public interest (the students) and doesn't have an obligation to serve the university blindly because it is not funded with state dollars (just as the Clarion-Ledger doesn't have to blindly serve city government because their true audience is first, Jackson residents, and secondly, the state), 2) is not anti-MSU, but at the same time isn't an obligatory mouthpiece for the organization. That's what the President's Office, University Relations, and the Student Express newsletter are all for...to be a PR extension of the university and bury anything remotely controversial. Finally 3) The paper is not anti-Doc. Almost every news story regarding Foglesong was relatively free of bias. You may point out the opinion section, but that is a section devoted to commentary for editors and students/faculty/whoever wants to write in to give their two cents. Editorial cartoons, satire. I think maybe 3 or 4 opinion articles actually mentioned Doc's name directly, and one was satirical in nature. Another featured a debate with his "straight talk" response in the Student Express newsletter. The students' stance on members of the administration doesn't necessarily mean "Doc" directly. There were articles criticizing the IHL for its secretive process at the beginning of Doc's tenure, but again...people IN the article criticized the IHL. People were fighting mad over that issue, as I assume they will be again this year when the process remains closed, unfortunately.
 

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Still just my opinion, still ********.</p>

</p>It is located on campus, and does pay rent. The newspaper also has U.S. Supreme Court precedence in an earlier case that prevents the university from restricting, censoring, or managing content. All salaries, equipment, rent, etc. are funded from advertising sales.
 

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whining that they were mistreated. everybody has a boss. boss rules. Dont like it? Split.

</p>And Doc is not the boss of the campus newspaper. Not one single MSU official is in charge of it. The boss is the editor in chief, a student.
 

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was at work and not on the 6pack 24/7...but as far as you're take on me calling someone out and running into a corner, my opinion is that the reflector is a joke and i don't really give and thought to what they think. i base this on many of the joke articles that they have written in the past, and the many joke articles that they will write in the future. for one, i remember the clown that wrote about how we should spice up baseball by adding/changing some rules. anyone with half a brain that read that article would know that is was a complete disaster. in closing, nice life. you've obviously never been interviewed before.
 
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helps improve a lot of bad situations. Now, Civic Duty, are you familiar with that? It's part of being part of the community in the Real World. That thing we all face after school. All newspapers that I am familiar have some level of community involvement ( or they don't survive) why not the Reflector also?

Truth is you seem to be missing my point. I'm just expressing MY opinion, just like the the Reflector crew, "It's still", this is ********!
 

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for one, i remember the clown that wrote about how we should spice up baseball by adding/changing some rules. anyone with half a brain that read that article would know that is was a complete disaster. in closing, nice life. you've obviously never been interviewed before.

</p>I've actually been interviewed several times before. And if all you can drum up is one article that was written several years ago (by a completely different staff, I might add, since the staff changes every year)...wow. I'd hate to see the grade your teacher gave you in debate class.
 

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nor are they a business where the boss does whatever he wants. If the paper has a policy about running letters in certain places it should be followed. The fact that this man reacted in the manner he did displays once again what a jack *** he really is. Good riddance.
 

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Cains Major said:
helps improve a lot of bad situations. Now, Civic Duty, are you familiar with that? It's part of being part of the community in the Real World. That thing we all face after school. All newspapers that I am familiar have some level of community involvement ( or they don't survive) why not the Reflector also?

Truth is you seem to be missing my point. I'm just expressing MY opinion, just like the the Reflector crew, "It's still", this is ********!

</p>Granted...everyone is entitled to expressing their opinions. I'm trying to follow this logic, though.

So...your point is...that one should allow the president to comandeer the front page of a newspaper simply because of a social responsibility to Mississippi State?

Civic duty doesn't give one blanket admission to print whatever the community wants, wherever the community wants. Furthermore, The Reflector (like other newspapers) has a policy that has been refined over the last hundred years.

And simply, it is unethical according to that policy for the paper to print a letter from anyone, whether that be Foglesong, Haley Barbour, or Dubya himself....ANYWHERE but the opinion section.

Social responsibility is very important. I give you that. Should the paper be exercising that more? Sure. However, it doesn't give permission for one to violate a long-standing policy simply because someone wanted a letter on the front page.

After this event, the Student Express newsletter was formed in an effort to give students a propaganda-flavored helping of whatever University Relations (and the president) wanted to showcase. Funny thing is, on the first day of the "Express" launch, Doc said that the site would have news unfiltered, good AND bad about Mississippi State. Hell of a track record so far. Not one single slightly negative story has been posted, aside from basketball/baseball/football losses. No mention of players arrested, no mention of rapes. Judging from how few frequent the site, people see right through the PR machine that it is.
 
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where you stand.You have a beef with Doc? I'm still not siding with or against Doc, just MSU. (Please reread my first post.) Otherwise good evening.
 

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Actually, no. I don't. I think he got dealt a bad hand from the IHL, and in the end, the university will feel the brunt of that impact. I will readily admit a bias against Thomas Meredith. I respect Foglesong for his service to his country and for his willingness to go into an environment like this and try his own techniques for two years here. I also have a bias against public relations, mostly because I'm a broadcasting/PR major. The longer I stay in PR, the more I feel like I'm being taught to cover up murder. Public relations is the exact opposite of journalism. My apologies if I came across as anti-Doc. I'm not anti-Doc. I just hate PR spin machines. Doc, to his credit, did his own thing without worrying about the PR implications. I doubt many in his position would have had the courage to do that.
 

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every time someone pulls out 6pack jargon, some ***-clown newbie takes it literally and gets their feelings hurt. listen dubmass *****, you asked me to point out some facts to back up my point that the reflector blows and i did. what's hard to understand about that. sorry i don't have eVERY single reflector article archived. maybe i should find the reflectors version of ronnyatmosphere...and yes dumbass i realize that the reflectors staff changes yearly, and that still doesn't change the fact it blows. wow, they won best college paper in the south or whatever. that's like saying you're the best public access channel on tv...well yeah, but you still blow, wayne's world. why don't you and the rest of your reflector buddies go join the debate team in the library and debate the fact that y'all are a bunch of ***-clowns. i'm done with you.

sincerely,

get a clue
 

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People can be sensitive about things they care about-- whether it's fraternities, friends, or organizations such as The Reflector, and the newspaper's staff has done good work the past few years. There hasn't been a noticeable embarassment in the past few years to my knowledge (unlike Alabama's Crimson & White and Bobby Bozeman).
 

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KurtRambis4 said:
every time someone pulls out 6pack jargon, some ***-clown newbie takes it literally and gets their feelings hurt. listen dubmass *****, you asked me to point out some facts to back up my point that the reflector blows and i did. what's hard to understand about that. sorry i don't have eVERY single reflector article archived. maybe i should find the reflectors version of ronnyatmosphere...and yes dumbass i realize that the reflectors staff changes yearly, and that still doesn't change the fact it blows. wow, they won best college paper in the south or whatever. that's like saying you're the best public access channel on tv...well yeah, but you still blow, wayne's world. why don't you and the rest of your reflector buddies go join the debate team in the library and debate the fact that y'all are a bunch of ***-clowns. i'm done with you.

sincerely,

get a clue

</p>First of all, I didn't take it literally. I asked you to backup your rant. You provided one meandering sentence. I seriously doubt there's an air of intelligence inside that stream-of-consciousness "***"-filled reply you just gave.

It's your opinion the newspaper sucks. It's my opinion that it doesn't. If throwing out empty threat after empty threat makes you feel better, go for it. But at some point, yes some point, KurtRambis4....guess what? You have to back it up.

Have fun pulling your head out of your *** for what I'm sure isn't the first time.

Sincerely,

***-Clown Newbie
 

KurtRambis4

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by me saying "you've obviously never been interviewed" and then you responding with (basically) "yes i have been interviewed" leads me to believe you are taking it literally. 2nd: you asked me to provide some proof to them sucking. i did. then you came back with (basically) "oh yeah, that's proof, but it's just one time!" to which i stated that i was sorry that i didn't have the reflector archived, otherwise i could provide about 10000000 more examples. 3rd: empty threats? empty threats? what the hell are you talking about? where did i threaten you? you obviously are on staff with the reflector (do they actually have a staff, or just morons in 7th grade english at SA submitting rants) and get your feelings hurt when someone says your paper sucks (which it does), please work on your reading comprehension so your paper will suck less...and you don't have to quote my eNTIRE post. it's already there and i know what i said. what's hard to understand about that. i know this is futile because you work for the reflector = moron so you won't get it.
 

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Kurt, I don't work for them. Wrong again. Enjoy that one-way ticket to KurtRambis Land, where people can say "***" 12 times and win arguments! And the paper archives issues so you don't have to. It's called a...say it with me...WEBSITE. All right. Off to a good start now.
 
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