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Maccmaine12

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My main takeaways was that our run defense was better than I initially thought. We made mistakes and missed tackles but that’s normal for the first game. I thought the play calling was good minus the gadget plays watching it live but now I believe we should’ve called more quick throws to help the OL. Some RB screens or wideout tunnel screens. If our OL could’ve held up we probably would’ve blown the Tarheels out. Our Nickels got picked on in the passing game a lot. I also think our DL pass rush was weak throughout the whole game. Overall the game starts at the LOS and if we can’t get better there then we won’t win much games. I believe in Beamer considering what he showed us the last two years from improving throughout the season standpoint.
 
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I tend to agree with you. It was not a pretty game in many phases, but outside of the o-line I think there were bright spots here and there. For this first one I will chalk it up to Loggains not knowing exactly what we have. There’s only so much you can find out scrimmaging against your own team and until you’re out there against a real opponent it’s still a bit of a guessing game. Now that he’s seen it, he has two weeks basically to fix things we will see if there is any improvement against GA.
 
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After rewatching, my main takeaway was the lack of quickness and desire to win individual battles on both lines of scrimmage. In addition, DL did not do a good job of getting off blocks to pressure Maye or make tackles. Rattler was impressive and if we find an OL to give him time, he will have a monster year. Leggette also was outstanding and showed why he may be an early pick at the next level with his speed and strength. Leggette also had an attitude and desire which needs to spread to the rest of the team - he was not going to be denied and it showed on the field.
 

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As Steve Logan used to say, playing offensive line is simply learning to "be run over slowly."

It takes skill to play, but frankly not that much skill. Every P5 team should be able to find 5 decent blockers.

Look at Duke last night, I bet not a single one of their OL is a better athlete than our OL, yet they worked their butts off for 4 quarters, and got it done. They got run over slowly, and when they could, they pushed back. I saw one of their guards hustling WAY down field to lay a nice block.
 

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As Steve Logan used to say, playing offensive line is simply learning to "be run over slowly."

It takes skill to play, but frankly not that much skill. Every P5 team should be able to find 5 decent blockers.

Look at Duke last night, I bet not a single one of their OL is a better athlete than our OL, yet they worked their butts off for 4 quarters, and got it done. They got run over slowly, and when they could, they pushed back. I saw one of their guards hustling WAY down field to lay a nice block.

I had the same thoughts watching Duke and is why I started a thread "I hope our coaches and players are watching this Duke - CU game."
Hopefully what you stated above registered with our staff and players. If Duke can do it ........
Cumulative individual effort and desire leads to team success!
 
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Heard their players were saying after the game that they knew when we were running and when we were passing. Apparently we were tipping somehow. And the general thinking is that Kitchens had a hand in that. So that likely played into the poor OL play as well.
 
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Heard their players were saying after the game that they knew when we were running and when we were passing. Apparently we were tipping somehow. And the general thinking is that Kitchens had a hand in that. So that likely played into the poor OL play as well.

I'm still not sure I buy the Kitchens angle. If the fans anticipated Kitchens cluing UNC in about our tendencies on offense, is it conceivable that our coaches didn't? If the they did not, would they not have made in-game adjustments to counter whatever tips Kitchens was giving them? I just find it hard to believe that our coaches would not have anticipated that.

I think the most likely explanation is that we simply got dominated on the line.

I was initially very unimpressed with our defense and turned the game off when we failed to do anything on offense after UNC went up 24-14. However, they DID shut UNC out for the last half of the 3rd quarter and all of the 4th quarter, picking Maye off twice in the process. He's the best QB we'll face this year (unless someone else emerges). As ineffective as we were on offense b/c of the OL, it was a 3-point game at halftime and the D held UNC's offense off for much of the 2nd half. The OL just screwed us.

Defensively, we played more than well enough to win the game.

After the first pick, we had 1st and goal at the 6, but our complete inability to run the ball doomed us to a FG. If you can pick up 6 yards, you're screwed. That would make it a 1 score game.

All-in-all, the loss falls squarely on the OL.
 

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I'm still not sure I buy the Kitchens angle. If the fans anticipated Kitchens cluing UNC in about our tendencies on offense, is it conceivable that our coaches didn't? If the they did not, would they not have made in-game adjustments to counter whatever tips Kitchens was giving them? I just find it hard to believe that our coaches would not have anticipated that.

I think the most likely explanation is that we simply got dominated on the line.

I was initially very unimpressed with our defense and turned the game off when we failed to do anything on offense after UNC went up 24-14. However, they DID shut UNC out for the last half of the 3rd quarter and all of the 4th quarter, picking Maye off twice in the process. He's the best QB we'll face this year (unless someone else emerges). As ineffective as we were on offense b/c of the OL, it was a 3-point game at halftime and the D held UNC's offense off for much of the 2nd half. The OL just screwed us.

Defensively, we played more than well enough to win the game.

After the first pick, we had 1st and goal at the 6, but our complete inability to run the ball doomed us to a FG. If you can pick up 6 yards, you're screwed. That would make it a 1 score game.

All-in-all, the loss falls squarely on the OL.
It was their guys saying they knew exactly what we were doing. I don't know how they did...just speculating that it was perhaps something FK knew about. I guess it could be some new tell we had developed.
 
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I'm still not sure I buy the Kitchens angle. If the fans anticipated Kitchens cluing UNC in about our tendencies on offense, is it conceivable that our coaches didn't?
They didn't know our OL was a disaster!
 

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It was their guys saying they knew exactly what we were doing. I don't know how they did...just speculating that it was perhaps something FK knew about. I guess it could be some new tell we had developed.
I remember a few years ago Georgia had a qb who would telegraph whether or not a play was run or pass by how he set his feet before the snap. If his feet were squared and parallel to the LOS it was a run play. On every pass play he would have his right foot behind his left foot before he took the snap. The tell can be something as simple as that.
 
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It’s tough when you truly don’t know what you have on the line because you’re playing against your defense for 30 days but at some point you have to help the line out by the play selection. I kinda knew when we were running or passing too.
 

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I'm still not sure I buy the Kitchens angle. If the fans anticipated Kitchens cluing UNC in about our tendencies on offense, is it conceivable that our coaches didn't? If the they did not, would they not have made in-game adjustments to counter whatever tips Kitchens was giving them? I just find it hard to believe that our coaches would not have anticipated that.

I think the most likely explanation is that we simply got dominated on the line.

I was initially very unimpressed with our defense and turned the game off when we failed to do anything on offense after UNC went up 24-14. However, they DID shut UNC out for the last half of the 3rd quarter and all of the 4th quarter, picking Maye off twice in the process. He's the best QB we'll face this year (unless someone else emerges). As ineffective as we were on offense b/c of the OL, it was a 3-point game at halftime and the D held UNC's offense off for much of the 2nd half. The OL just screwed us.

Defensively, we played more than well enough to win the game.

After the first pick, we had 1st and goal at the 6, but our complete inability to run the ball doomed us to a FG. If you can pick up 6 yards, you're screwed. That would make it a 1 score game.

All-in-all, the loss falls squarely on the OL.
It was their guys saying they knew exactly what we were doing. I don't know how they did...just speculating that it was perhaps something FK knew about. I guess it could be some new tell we had developed.
I like how our Corners and Lbs played. They were around the ball and made plays. Stone and Williams will get better in the pass game
 
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I like how our Corners and Lbs played. They were around the ball and made plays. Stone and Williams will get better in the pass game
I agree. Never heard Dial's name called, which is good. OD had a couple of nice plays, and some physical tackles on the outside. Nickel and DL killed us.
 
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I agree. Never heard Dial's name called, which is good. OD had a couple of nice plays, and some physical tackles on the outside. Nickel and DL killed us.
3 TDs on the Nickels. I think we should move DQ there and put Nick and Jalen Kilgore at safety. We can’t afford players not playing great defense through the air. Especially with the lack of pass rush
 

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I'm still not sure I buy the Kitchens angle. If the fans anticipated Kitchens cluing UNC in about our tendencies on offense, is it conceivable that our coaches didn't? If the they did not, would they not have made in-game adjustments to counter whatever tips Kitchens was giving them? I just find it hard to believe that our coaches would not have anticipated that.

I think the most likely explanation is that we simply got dominated on the line.

I was initially very unimpressed with our defense and turned the game off when we failed to do anything on offense after UNC went up 24-14. However, they DID shut UNC out for the last half of the 3rd quarter and all of the 4th quarter, picking Maye off twice in the process. He's the best QB we'll face this year (unless someone else emerges). As ineffective as we were on offense b/c of the OL, it was a 3-point game at halftime and the D held UNC's offense off for much of the 2nd half. The OL just screwed us.

Defensively, we played more than well enough to win the game.

After the first pick, we had 1st and goal at the 6, but our complete inability to run the ball doomed us to a FG. If you can pick up 6 yards, you're screwed. That would make it a 1 score game.

All-in-all, the loss falls squarely on the OL.
It was reported on TOS that they checked into the FK angle and it checked out.
 

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It was reported on TOS that they checked into the FK angle and it checked out.
Then our entire staff needs to be fired tomorrow morning.

It is dereliction of duty if our staff was unable to account for one former analyst spilling the beans.
 

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Then our entire staff needs to be fired tomorrow morning.

It is dereliction of duty if our staff was unable to account for one former analyst spilling the beans.
Especially when that former analyst wasn't even here with the current OC. That's pretty bad.
 
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Then our entire staff needs to be fired tomorrow morning.

It is dereliction of duty if our staff was unable to account for one former analyst spilling the beans.
Absolutely, if one analyst (not an actual coach) going to an opponent can cost the team a game, the problem is much bigger than one analyst.
 
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After rewatching, my main takeaway was the lack of quickness and desire to win individual battles on both lines of scrimmage. In addition, DL did not do a good job of getting off blocks to pressure Maye or make tackles. Rattler was impressive and if we find an OL to give him time, he will have a monster year. Leggette also was outstanding and showed why he may be an early pick at the next level with his speed and strength. Leggette also had an attitude and desire which needs to spread to the rest of the team - he was not going to be denied and it showed on the field.
What HE said!
 

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After rewatching, my main takeaway was the lack of quickness and desire to win individual battles on both lines of scrimmage. In addition, DL did not do a good job of getting off blocks to pressure Maye or make tackles. Rattler was impressive and if we find an OL to give him time, he will have a monster year. Leggette also was outstanding and showed why he may be an early pick at the next level with his speed and strength. Leggette also had an attitude and desire which needs to spread to the rest of the team - he was not going to be denied and it showed on the field.
Sooooooft. Plain and simple.
 
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After rewatching, my main takeaway was the lack of quickness and desire to win individual battles on both lines of scrimmage. In addition, DL did not do a good job of getting off blocks to pressure Maye or make tackles. Rattler was impressive and if we find an OL to give him time, he will have a monster year. Leggette also was outstanding and showed why he may be an early pick at the next level with his speed and strength. Leggette also had an attitude and desire which needs to spread to the rest of the team - he was not going to be denied and it showed on the field.
I agree with your assessment. After rewatching this game it looks as if our defense played well on 1st and 2nd downs but lost containment on 3rd downs. If the O-Line cand give us a little more time, Legette, Brown and Wells will have a fields day.
 

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As Steve Logan used to say, playing offensive line is simply learning to "be run over slowly."

It takes skill to play, but frankly not that much skill. Every P5 team should be able to find 5 decent blockers.

Look at Duke last night, I bet not a single one of their OL is a better athlete than our OL, yet they worked their butts off for 4 quarters, and got it done. They got run over slowly, and when they could, they pushed back. I saw one of their guards hustling WAY down field to lay a nice block.
Not that much skill……tell me youve never played or coached OL. Without saying it…
 

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I don't know about the Kitchings angle, but this is not the first time we've heard this. Several games the last year where we heard post game comments from other team's players the they knew what we were running. So this could be more than just Kitchings. Maybe Rattler has a tell that he and others saw.
 

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After rewatching, my main takeaway was the lack of quickness and desire to win individual battles on both lines of scrimmage. In addition, DL did not do a good job of getting off blocks to pressure Maye or make tackles. Rattler was impressive and if we find an OL to give him time, he will have a monster year. Leggette also was outstanding and showed why he may be an early pick at the next level with his speed and strength. Leggette also had an attitude and desire which needs to spread to the rest of the team - he was not going to be denied and it showed on the field.
Well let’s hope he can self evaluate better than Satterfield and make adjustments
 

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Not that much skill……tell me youve never played or coached OL. Without saying it…
LOL. Wrong. Played and coached. There is a reason why some positions are called skill positions and others not.

As I said, it does take skill, just not the same.