Rutgers to Gator?

[leinbacker]

Apparently they have right of first refusal of the 5-7 teams because they are the smartest of that bunch.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...9-issues-force-aggies-to-withdraw-per-report/

 

[Classof09]

Apparently they have right of first refusal of the 5-7 teams because they are the smartest of that bunch.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...9-issues-force-aggies-to-withdraw-per-report/

Well, I’m glad it’s not based upon being able to spell their school’s name correctly on the uniform.
And it shouldn’t be that hard to get good grades at Rutgers where majors include Sopranos Studies and Jersey Shore Sciences.

 

[Tom_PSU]

I hate their scumbag fan base. But they’ve got kids who have been playing four or five years. They have been smashed, bashed and stomped on by virtually everyone. I’m sure most of them broke their balls trying their best with their limited skills. Hell, if those kids can say they played in a bowl game (no matter the circumstances) I’m happy for them.

 

[Catch1lion]

More money into the Big10 pool . Could be the best move by a Knight since Ted groped MTM.

 

[FK3JM]

I hate their scumbag fan base. But they’ve got kids who have been playing four or five years. They have been smashed, bashed and stomped on by virtually everyone. I’m sure most of them broke their balls trying their best with their limited skills. Hell, if those kids can say they played in a bowl game (no matter the circumstances) I’m happy for them.

Maryland or Rutgers? I think Maryland is douchier to be honest.

 

[GrimReaper]

All based on a ******** number. LMAO.

 

[PhillyBillyReprise]

I, I, I, I, I, am speechless!

 

[PrtLng Lion]

I'm not clear on why Rutgers would get the nod. Are there no 6-6 teams that didn't already get a bowl invite?

 

[PSUFTG]

Apparently they have right of first refusal of the 5-7 teams because they are the smartest of that bunch.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...9-issues-force-aggies-to-withdraw-per-report/

Not for nothing, but only people who have no idea what the "APR" is, or how it is calculated - which is probably 98% of the sports world population - would think it is reasonable to base anything on it.

Money-wise - assuming the full Bowl Payout share goes from the SEC (Texas A&M) to the Big Ten (Rutgers) - the result will be that Rutgers will likely lose money by participating, and each of the remaining Big Ten teams will pocket $50,000-$100,000, depending on exactly how the Big Ten, Warren, decides to allocate "expenses" to Rutgers. I could imagine a scenario where Warren gives a larger than normal cut to Rutgers, likely making them whole, as a bit of an incentive to play in the game - but we may not know that until well down the road.

 

[PSUFTG]

I'm not clear on why Rutgers would get the nod. Are there no 6-6 teams that didn't already get a bowl invite?

No. 84 6+ win teams, 42 bowls.

 

[84lion]

Not for nothing, but only people who have no idea what the "APR" is, or how it is calculated - which is probably 98% of the sports world population - would think it is reasonable to base anything on it.

Money-wise - assuming the full Bowl Payout share goes from the SEC (Texas A&M) to the Big Ten (Rutgers) - the result will be that Rutgers will likely lose money by participating, and each of the remaining Big Ten teams will pocket $50,000-$100,000, depending on exactly how the Big Ten, Warren, decides to allocate "expenses" to Rutgers. I could imagine a scenario where Warren gives a larger than normal cut to Rutgers, likely making them whole, as a bit of an incentive to play in the game - but we may not know that until well down the road.

According to this article: https://fanbuzz.com/college-football/bowl-game-payouts/

The Gator pays out $5.35 million which is only about a million less than the Outback. So if Rutgers is going to lose money by participating, then wouldn't Penn State be in a similar situation? I find that difficult to believe, but who knows?

The article also states that each conference gets $300,000 for teams participating in a postseason bowl that meet the APR requirements - even accounting for a 14-way split and B1G office overhead costs, that should still cover the onion dip bill and possibly a bit more.

I think it's nuts what ESPN shells out for these games but it is what it is. Sports have jumped the shark in terms of the $$$ for sure. Evidently people watch and the shark gets fed.

 

[GrimReaper]

According to this article: https://fanbuzz.com/college-football/bowl-game-payouts/

The Gator pays out $5.35 million which is only about a million less than the Outback. So if Rutgers is going to lose money by participating, then wouldn't Penn State be in a similar situation? I find that difficult to believe, but who knows?

The article also states that each conference gets $300,000 for teams participating in a postseason bowl that meet the APR requirements - even accounting for a 14-way split and B1G office overhead costs, that should still cover the onion dip bill and possibly a bit more.

I think it's nuts what ESPN shells out for these games but it is what it is. Sports have jumped the shark in terms of the $$$ for sure. Evidently people watch and the shark gets fed.

Disregard the $300k per team. Has nothing to do with non-CFP bowls.

The Big Ten split of Gator Bowl revenue is about $380k per member. After expenses and likely eating a chunk of unsold ticket allocation, Rutgers will be lucky to break even. Illinois, which is staying home, gets to keep the entire $380k

 

[PSUFTG]

According to this article: https://fanbuzz.com/college-football/bowl-game-payouts/

So if Rutgers is going to lose money by participating, then wouldn't Penn State be in a similar situation? I find that difficult to believe, but who knows?

Believe it.

For non-NY6 Bowls, Penn State (and many other programs, I would expect) typically lose money - or, at best, about break-even.

When Penn State went to the bowl against Kentucky (I forget which one it was, but it was the last Penn State non-NY6 bowl. Was that the Outback?), their cut of the payout, for their expenses, (as determined by the Big Ten - based on whatever formula they use - which is higher for " bigger" bowl games) was $2.4 Million. Their actual expenses were $2.8 Million (plus another $700,000 in bonuses for Franklin and staff)

Now, the remainder of the payout from the bowl went to the Big Ten conference kitty - to be divided among the teams and the league office (I believe the league office gets a share, but I could be mistaken). I don't know what that payout, in total, was - but if we say it was $5 million, just as a for instance, that would mean $2.6 million ($5 million, less Penn State's $2.4 expense allowance) went into the conference pool, and each team would have gotten about $150,000.

So, financially, Penn State would have been $400,000 better off ($1.1 Million, if you count the "Franklin Bonuses") to stay home, and not go to the bowl, and let someone else go in their place (that, obviously, wouldn't be a realistic option). That is not atypical - in fact, it is the norm.

 

[Pennst8]

Great! Another chance to watch Rutgers lose!

 

[psuro]

Watch Rutgers blow out Wake.

 

[CyphaPSU]

From a school's perspective, bowl games are really for the players (and fans, I suppose). Imagine trying to recruit kids if your AD decided to skip out on a bowl due to financial reasons.

 

[PSUFTG]

From a school's perspective, bowl games are really for the players (and fans, I suppose). Imagine trying to recruit kids if your AD decided to skip out on a bowl due to financial reasons.

Obviously. Although I doubt that Texas A&M's recruiting will suffer due to saying "Thanks, but no", to the Gator Bowl.

How much the players benefit? Who knows, that would be up to the individual (and, obviously, a lot of them couldn't care at all, especially for the minor bowls, judging by the opt-outs by seniors and NFL draft prospects), but most of them are required to go, obviously. Peripheral groups - like the band and cheerleaders? Depends on the individual - I expect a lot enjoy the trip - depending on how much the school allocates to their expenses - while some others would just as soon be home for the holidays. The fans? Again, up to the individual. The coaches? In most cases, quite a bit, since most have bowl bonuses - often substantial bowl bonuses - that kick in. The administrators and various and sundry others, who get a nice vacation? Again, would depend on the individual.

 

[GrimReaper]

From a school's perspective, bowl games are really for the players (and fans, I suppose). Imagine trying to recruit kids if your AD decided to skip out on a bowl due to financial reasons.

That's a legitimate point, but have you ever seen the size of the entourage of people unrelated to the football program (administrators, faculty, alumni and families et al) that travel and party on the school's dime?

 

[GrimReaper]

Believe it.

For non-NY6 Bowls, Penn State (and many other programs, I would expect) typically lose money - or, at best, about break-even.

When Penn State went to the bowl against Kentucky (I forget which one it was, but it was the last Penn State non-NY6 bowl. Was that the Outback?), their cut of the payout, for their expenses, (as determined by the Big Ten - based on whatever formula they use - which is higher for " bigger" bowl games) was $2.4 Million. Their actual expenses were $2.8 Million (plus another $700,000 in bonuses for Franklin and staff)

Now, the remainder of the payout from the bowl went to the Big Ten conference kitty - to be divided among the teams and the league office (I believe the league office gets a share, but I could be mistaken). I don't know what that payout, in total, was - but if we say it was $5 million, just as a for instance, that would mean $2.6 million ($5 million, less Penn State's $2.4 expense allowance) went into the conference pool, and each team would have gotten about $150,000.

So, financially, Penn State would have been $400,000 better off ($1.1 Million, if you count the "Franklin Bonuses") to stay home, and not go to the bowl, and let someone else go in their place (that, obviously, wouldn't be a realistic option). That is not atypical - in fact, it is the norm.

Conference revenue sharing isn't done by an exacting formula, but it's pretty simple. Take all of the revenue (tv, bowls, NCAA distributions, conference championship gates, etc), subtract conference-level expenses, and adjust for conference working capital requirements. Divide what remains by the number of conference members. The "conference", per se, doesn't get an (equal) share.

 

[Catch1lion]

Disregard the $300k per team. Has nothing to do with non-CFP bowls.

The Big Ten split of Gator Bowl revenue is about $380k per member. After expenses and likely eating a chunk of unsold ticket allocation, Rutgers will be lucky to break even. Illinois, which is staying home, gets to keep the entire $380k

But an Illini grad , the Jax Jaguars owner , would love the Illini in his stadium . Better investment than Urban .

 

[psuro]

From a school's perspective, bowl games are really for the players (and fans, I suppose). Imagine trying to recruit kids if your AD decided to skip out on a bowl due to financial reasons.

There have been scant few teams that have turned down bowl opportunities. UCLA did a few years ago. Joe did in 1984 because the squad was “babies”. But in either case it didn’t move the needle much with recruiting.

 

[GrimReaper]

But an Illini grad , the Jax Jaguars owner , would love the Illini in his stadium . Better investment than Urban .

He's lucky that he collects a fixed rental fee for providing the venue. Gate is gonna be a stinker.

 

[Quint526]

Watch Rutgers blow out Wake.

You could have stopped at blow.

 

[Tom_PSU]

You could have stopped at blow.

I just visited the Rutgers board to read what their saying. This is bigger than the the original moon landing. More consequential then a Pitt Natty. Their giddy as s$$t.

 

[CyphaPSU]

There have been scant few teams that have turned down bowl opportunities. UCLA did a few years ago. Joe did in 1984 because the squad was “babies”. But in either case it didn’t move the needle much with recruiting.

It would if it were common practice for a school, and that is what I had in mind.

 

[GrimReaper]

I just visited the Rutgers board to read what their saying. This is bigger than the the original moon landing. More consequential then a Pitt Natty. Their giddy as s$$t.

The scene at the rutgersal house:

 

[psu31trap]

Does anyone give Rutgers a punchers chance? Anyone?

Ok can they keep it close or is WF too strong this year?

 

[Liontown]

It appears NBCNews are not Rutgers fans.

Rutgers takes Gator Bowl bid left behind by Covid-ravaged Texas A&M

The Scarlet Knights finished near the bottom of the Big Ten but will get to play on New Year's Eve.

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