Satterfield will not be retained next season

[18IsTheMan]

I knew his contract went through 12/31, but I had forgotten that he was one of only 2 assistants who did not receive a 1-year extension and raise back in February. The other was OL coach Adkins. If he was identified as one of only two assistants to not merit an extension and raise in February, what has he shown since then to merit a new contract?

At this point, it's really just a matter of whether we want to pay the $200,000 buyout or let him finish his contract out through 12/31.

With this detail, I think it's a virtual guarantee that he's gone. Not getting an extension with the rest of the staff certainly appears to have been a message: "you need to show something this year."

I think most fans would groan in bewildered discontent if he were retained on an existing contract. There might be an all-out riot if he's actually given a new contract. There cannot be a Gamecock fan out there that thinks he's done enough to merit a new contact after not being given an extension like the rest of the staff.

 

[Lurker123]

There cannot be a Gamecock fan out there that thinks he's done enough to merit a new contact after not being given an extension like the rest of the staff.

Oh, I bet you I can find one.

Seriously, I did not know that about his contract and take it as a good sign.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Oh, I bet you I can find one.

Seriously, I did not know that about his contract and take it as a good sign.

Yeah, there is at least one Satterfield lover on here.

For me, this all but assures a new OC next year. New contracts are rewards. Not even the most ardent Satterfield supporter, if they were in Beamer's shoes, could, in good conscience, say Satterfield's body of work merits the reward of a new contract. If he had another year left or whatever, I could see some arguing he needs more time etc. But not a new contract. No way.

Side note: I don't know if it was Beamer or the BOT who decided that Satterfield did not deserve an extension and raise earlier this year.

 

[Cocky99]

If his contract ends 12/31 then I say keep him on if it saves $200,000. In the meantime I would literally make Satt the water boy and let Beamers 10 year old son take over o/c duties. At least the team would score a little more. Lol

 

[18IsTheMan]

If his contract ends 12/31 then I say keep him on if it saves $200,000. In the meantime I would literally make Satt the water boy and let Beamers 10 year old son take over o/c duties. At least the team would score a little more. Lol

Depends. If we could line up a new OC soon and have him installed to take advantage of the bowl game practices, that could be enormously beneficial in the long run. The $200,000 buyout is peanuts.

 

[muscleknight]

Let's have a fan drawing and let a fan call the offense for the last 2 games. Limit it to gamecock club members as that will limit any possible sabotage. I bet the fan will outgain Satt.

 

[Rogue Cock]

If his contract ends 12/31 then I say keep him on if it saves $200,000. In the meantime I would literally make Satt the water boy and let Beamers 10 year old son take over o/c duties. At least the team would score a little more. Lol

He's working off his "buyout" this year. His 2 year agreement end 12/31 so he gets paid the same whether his stays until 12/31 or is let go before.

 

[Prestonyte]

I knew his contract went through 12/31, but I had forgotten that he was one of only 2 assistants who did not receive a 1-year extension and raise back in February. The other was OL coach Adkins. If he was identified as one of only two assistants to not merit an extension and raise in February, what has he shown since then to merit a new contract?

At this point, it's really just a matter of whether we want to pay the $200,000 buyout or let him finish his contract out through 12/31.

With this detail, I think it's a virtual guarantee that he's gone. Not getting an extension with the rest of the staff certainly appears to have been a message: "you need to show something this year."

I think most fans would groan in bewildered discontent if he were retained on an existing contract. There might be an all-out riot if he's actually given a new contract. There cannot be a Gamecock fan out there that thinks he's done enough to merit a new contact after not being given an extension like the rest of the staff.

Thanks for digging up this info. Like the sound of this - gives us all some hope.

 

[BigJC]

Getting a new OC is probably not going to reap immediate dividends. A team, any team, switching OCs generally have something of a learning curve adjusting to the new OC. Also, the new OC will have to learn the player's strengths and weaknesses and he may come to the conclusion that the current players do not fit his style of offense and he will waste a year installing his offense and forcing current players to try and learn his system. Sometimes, the new guy is no better than the guy he replaces.

I'm not arguing to keep Satterfield but I'm not going to be booking a trip to Atlanta next December simply because we have a new OC.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Getting a new OC is probably not going to reap immediate dividends. A team, any team, switching OCs generally have something of a learning curve adjusting to the new OC. Also, the new OC will have to learn the player's strengths and weaknesses and he may come to the conclusion that the current players do not fit his style of offense and he will waste a year installing his offense and forcing current players to try and learn his system. Sometimes, the new guy is no better than the guy he replaces.

I'm not arguing to keep Satterfield but I'm not going to be booking a trip to Atlanta next December simply because we have a new OC.

You obviously don't know this crowd. LOL.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Getting a new OC is probably not going to reap immediate dividends. A team, any team, switching OCs generally have something of a learning curve adjusting to the new OC. Also, the new OC will have to learn the player's strengths and weaknesses and he may come to the conclusion that the current players do not fit his style of offense and he will waste a year installing his offense and forcing current players to try and learn his system. Sometimes, the new guy is no better than the guy he replaces.

I'm not arguing to keep Satterfield but I'm not going to be booking a trip to Atlanta next December simply because we have a new OC.

Sometimes it is simply a matter of the offensive system that the coordinator runs. Pro-style like the one Satterfield runs is very complex and takes a while to install from all aspects....blocking, play call variations based on what the defense is doing, route running, etc. Some like the basic spread are very simple because they tend to use more motion to confuse the defense, wider splits among the linemen to create running lanes, etc...but the calls are more simple and there aren't as many variations based on what the defense is doing. That is my understanding based on conversations with some coaches. In other words, a spread offense would be quicker to install and for the players to pick up.....not to mention many run that in high school.

 

[loring_gdeau]

Look at the pictures from Saturday's game. In one shot there is Kitchens, Zeb, Satt and Rattler discussing upcoming play. This would explain some of the confusion and delays of getting plays called...too many cooks in the kitchen. Also, didn't seem to help with the results.

 

[Gamecock Disciple]

Depends. If we could line up a new OC soon and have him installed to take advantage of the bowl game practices, that could be enormously beneficial in the long run. The $200,000 buyout is peanuts.

Agreed 100%!!!

 

[Lurker123]

I'm not arguing to keep Satterfield but I'm not going to be booking a trip to Atlanta next December simply because we have a new OC.

Excellent summation. It would be nice to simply see an offense aggressively working together for a change.

 

[Boudreaux and Pete]

Depends. If we could line up a new OC soon and have him installed to take advantage of the bowl game practices, that could be enormously beneficial in the long run. The $200,000 buyout is peanuts.

No one on staff is capable and trying to bring someone else in to handle the Clemson game and a bowl game as well - don't know if anyone wants to risk their reputation for 2 games with the mess things are currently in.

 

[cocean]

Time to start talkin about the D Cord

 

[18IsTheMan]

No one on staff is capable and trying to bring someone else in to handle the Clemson game and a bowl game as well - don't know if anyone wants to risk their reputation for 2 games with the mess things are currently in.

Oh, no, definitely not the Clemson game. I was thinking get the new OC in for bowl practices. Even that is probably a longshot. I’m guessing Beamer would like to let Satterfield just finish up his contract and move on. Then he doesn’t have to actually fire him.

 

[Poultrygeist]

I want him gone too. But, I think it looks bad on a program (to other coaches) to fire a coach during the season. Other coaches will think that if we do that to Satt., then they could do it to me.

 

[KingWard]

Getting a new OC is probably not going to reap immediate dividends...

It very well might.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Getting a new OC is probably not going to reap immediate dividends. A team, any team, switching OCs generally have something of a learning curve adjusting to the new OC. Also, the new OC will have to learn the player's strengths and weaknesses and he may come to the conclusion that the current players do not fit his style of offense and he will waste a year installing his offense and forcing current players to try and learn his system. Sometimes, the new guy is no better than the guy he replaces.

I'm not arguing to keep Satterfield but I'm not going to be booking a trip to Atlanta next December simply because we have a new OC.

It won’t reap maximum benefits immediately, but you can certainly see progress immediately. A good OC will figure out how to maximize what he has to work while also implementing the system he wants to run. No easy task, which is why finding a good one is difficult.

 

[CockofEarle]

I knew his contract went through 12/31, but I had forgotten that he was one of only 2 assistants who did not receive a 1-year extension and raise back in February. The other was OL coach Adkins. If he was identified as one of only two assistants to not merit an extension and raise in February, what has he shown since then to merit a new contract?

At this point, it's really just a matter of whether we want to pay the $200,000 buyout or let him finish his contract out through 12/31.

With this detail, I think it's a virtual guarantee that he's gone. Not getting an extension with the rest of the staff certainly appears to have been a message: "you need to show something this year."

I think most fans would groan in bewildered discontent if he were retained on an existing contract. There might be an all-out riot if he's actually given a new contract. There cannot be a Gamecock fan out there that thinks he's done enough to merit a new contact after not being given an extension like the rest of the staff.

The mayo bowl sent a false sense of security to all Cocks.
What was thought throughout last season was put on pause.
This yr it has returned like a cancer after chemo.

 

[Go Gamecocks]

....not to mention many run that in high school.

Same old zone run plays that Shanahan ran @ Broncos are run every weekend in HS.
We won 33 games in 3 seasons with those plays as part of our offense.

 

[Go Gamecocks]

He's working off his "buyout" this year. His 2 year agreement end 12/31 so he gets paid the same whether his stays until 12/31 or is let go before.

He can be reassigned. No biggie.

 

[Atlanta Cock]

I want him gone too. But, I think it looks bad on a program (to other coaches) to fire a coach during the season. Other coaches will think that if we do that to Satt., then they could do it to me.

So? Most young hotshots DGAS about the last guy.

 

[ToddFlanders]

My prediction - Matt Rhule takes another job this season (maybe Nebraska), and gives Satterfield a nice landing spot for next season - but as a TE coach.

 

[18IsTheMan]

My prediction - Matt Rhule takes another job this season (maybe Nebraska), and gives Satterfield a nice landing spot for next season - but as a TE coach.

I was thinking the same thing. Actually works out well all around. Though we will all know what’s for real, he can just fulfill his contract here and then go back to work for his old boss. Beamer doesn’t have to fire him.

 

[KingWard]

It won’t reap maximum benefits immediately, but you can certainly see progress immediately. A good OC will figure out how to maximize what he has to work while also implementing the system he wants to run. No easy task, which is why finding a good one is difficult.

If this cast of characters is not going to be competitive in the SEC, then we're fast reaching a tipping point. This offseason will define whether Beamer makes it or not. Winning a crap bowl game - if we can do it, won't be turning the corner that needs to be turned. Beating UPC AND winning the crap bowl game would be good indicators, but that scenario is most unlikely.

 

[Viennacock]

No one on staff is capable and trying to bring someone else in to handle the Clemson game and a bowl game as well - don't know if anyone wants to risk their reputation for 2 games with the mess things are currently in.

Stepp is the only one on staff I would consider for an interm OC. Beamer has lost the team and could potentially lose a good bit of the fanbase if he's not careful. New blood is needed even if it's for the balance of the season.

I know the Stepp brothers personally. He would welcome the opportunity.

 

[Go Gamecocks]

Beamer has lost the team...

I wouldn't count that yet. Shane has already shown an ability to come back & play hard the next week.

Regardless, in this day and age....coaches have a much shorter shelf life.

Not that it's desired, but Todd Ellis allegedly played under 4 different OCs while he was here.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I wouldn't count that yet. Shane has already shown an ability to come back & play hard the next week.

Regardless, in this day and age....coaches have a much shorter shelf life.

Not that it's desired, but Todd Ellis allegedly played under 4 different OCs while he was here.

Saban's had 8 OCs in his 16 years at Bama.

 

[Viennacock]

I wouldn't count that yet. Shane has already shown an ability to come back & play hard the next week.

Regardless, in this day and age....coaches have a much shorter shelf life.

Not that it's desired, but Todd Ellis allegedly played under 4 different OCs while he was here.

Based on some if the comments made by Rattler and the effort on the field, he has lost the team. They have no confidence in what they are doing and I'm not even sure they know what they are doing.

I hope you are right and they bounce back but I don't see it happening.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Based on some if the comments made by Rattler and the effort on the field, he has lost the team. They have no confidence in what they are doing and I'm not even sure they know what they are doing.

I hope you are right and they bounce back but I don't see it happening.

Some folks pin the offensive failures on execution alone. I'm sure there are some execution issues, but I also think execution issues are multiplied when players don't have confidence in what they are doing. Like when you keep running between the tackles when it never works.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Some folks pin the offensive failures on execution alone. I'm there are some execution issues, but I also think execution issues are multiplied when players don't have confidence in what they are doing. Like when you keep running between the tackles when it never works.

Complexity also results in execution issues....have to know all the variations like the back of your hand. if you have to think about them you won't execute it properly. I think we are saying the same thing just in different ways.

 

[Backyard Archer]

I want him gone too. But, I think it looks bad on a program (to other coaches) to fire a coach during the season. Other coaches will think that if we do that to Satt., then they could do it to me.

Any decent coach that has watched us play the last two years would know a firing was deserved no matter when it comes. If a guy is that scared of being fired mid-season then he obviously doesn't believe he'll be better than Satterfield and we shouldn't want him.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Any decent coach that has watched us play the last two years would know a firing was deserved no matter when it comes. If a guy is that scared of being fired mid-season then he obviously doesn't believe he'll be better than Satterfield and we shouldn't want him.

I think the point is that midseason firings are for show, not to improve the team.

 

[Go Gamecocks]

Based on some if the comments made by Rattler and the effort on the field, he has lost the team.

That's a stretch. They may get clobbered the next 2 games, but seems you're implying there's some kind of mutiny going on.

 

[Prestonyte]

If coaches don't let fans (and players) know things will be different next year a lot of bad things happen. Players transfer, recruits decommit, ticket sales and attendance drop, etc. - It's a move good coaches have to make to remove poison from the culture they have started to build. Bad coaches maintain status quo and become the poison themselves.

 

[Go Gamecocks]

I think the point is that midseason firings are for show, not to improve the team.

Also an act of desperation of things are going off the rails. We're not there yet.

 

[Viennacock]

That's a stretch. They may get clobbered the next 2 games, but seems you're implying there's some kind of mutiny going on.

Lost the team = team playing without confidence and not giving maximum effort. I don't think this is a stretch. Call it whatever you want but it's reality.

 

[Viennacock]

Also an act of desperation of things are going off the rails. We're not there yet.

I don't think we should fire Satterfield but he should be demoted until it's time to let him go. I would make him an off-field analyst immediately.