Notre Dame is the key. Them and, say, Oregon to the B1G would light a fire in Birmingham and nothing the SEC could do would have the same impact. Such a development would mean that whatever the SEC would do in response would have to be as meaningful as it could possibly be, worth at least an A-minus.
I don't disagree with that. That's why I earlier said, "we don't know what we don't know". Would there be a college playoff after the contact expires in a few years? If so, would ND be a part of that? If the SEC and Big 10 decide to have their own playoff, would allowance be made to make ND a participant if they qualify, in their current status? Would the SEC agree to exclude them, possibly forcing them into the Big 10? If so, then the SEC would probably have to bite the bullet and agree to pay for a couple of ACC members (which they could do today but, evidently, decided not to go down that road). Would ND be willing to give up its over 100 years independent status, which they obviously hold dearly. Clearly, ND does not need the money. If you have a "national championship" decided between the SEC and Big 10, you don't really have a "national championship". ND may then conclude, why not hold a "national championship" playoff between the remaining schools in the ACC, PAC 10 and Big 8. So, then you have 2 "national champions" and ND gets to keep their cherished, long-standing independent status. As I said earlier, "we don't know what we don't know". And as I said earlier, there are no guarantees.
Those two would be very significant in terms of market. I think that, when things start to happen again, and I'm not saying it will be soon, that there will be an eruption. We're at a point now that, any time one of the Big Two moves, the other will have to respond. Financial supremacy will be at stake. I find myself hoping that Notre Dame will hold the line unless they decide to join the SEC, and I can't see that happening.
Yeah. And that's what has happened. The SEC has been proactive in expansion since 1990. The Big 10 has been reactive to the SEC for 30 years. We could have a situation where the roles reverse. If Notre Dame holds the line, we may go back to the days when polls decided the national champion, with the possibility of 2 national champions. Except now, 2 national champions would be decided on the field.
North Carolina and either of the Arizona schools. There really aren't many. After that, you get into "B-plus" schools: Florida State, maybe Virginia. Then you get into the B-minus schools: UPC, N.C State - schools that add little to nothing. I give the edge to N.C. State because of market factors, but they really are a nondescript institution compared to the Chapel Hill aggregation.
Funny you should mention those three teams. Imagine if they were all in a consortium to advance their agenda.I really wish FSU, Miami or Clemson could join the SEC. Not that the SEC needs them. It adds exciting match ups. The Carolina/Clemson game would have more at stake.
The moon has to be out there to take a shot at it. They get Oregon and ND and idk if there is a moon.
Doubtful. My guess is that will be a joint decision between the two schools....and is one of the primary reasons I think they will end up in the B1G. along with UVA.
I, for one. would seriously doubt to ever see ND in the SEC, though it would not shock me to learn that the SEC makes them turn us down. Oregon? I still believe the SEC will eventually stick to contiguous boundaries and at least want to make an attempt to stay in the south (with apologies to Missouri) after ND says no. To me, that means going up north of us in the east. But, as always, of course, no guarantees about that.
Or the SEC could offer both UNC and Duke, though in-state schools have have left their rival behind in the past. And I would not sell NC State to the SEC short, especially since State is located in the state capital. Adding tv market is what the SEC historically has gone for. NC is number 9. VA is number 12 (not including the DC market). IF ND decides to stay put, no one is going anywhere for awhile. Will ND give up independence? Who really knows?
Got to read back up. We are discussing those teams going to the big 10 and what the sec could do in response.
My point is that there's nothing to stop the SEC from making an offer before the B10, as traditionally, the SEC has been proactive and the B10 reactive. And I later said I would expect the SEC to eventually go up the eastern seaboard to expand.
I get your logic. How is marginalizing the majority of teams, and fans, going to be good for viewership and college football in general?
Three or more of FSU, Clemson and Miami, NCSU and VaTech from the ACC (wrap up the Florida market as best possible). Both AZ school and probably Utah in another fast growing state.
They could only Duke adds another small school similar to Vandy and of all the schools except maybe UVA I think they would be lured more by the research money that the B1G offers. Just trying to consider every aspect involved in all this.
I agree that some would. If your team was one of the marginalized teams would you be as interested? I know my viewership wouldn’t be as much.
We have been one of those marginalized teams for the large majority of our existence....as have many schools whose fans support them win or lose.
And, IMO that’s where Carolina separates itself from other schools. Very few teams with that history have as big a following