Should high-value NIL players be prohibited from opting out?

KOTR

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Just want your thoughts on this. If a player is getting millions to play for a school, then should the NIL deal include prohibiting opting out?
 

Forkcock

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Just want your thoughts on this. If a player is getting millions to play for a school, then should the NIL deal include prohibiting opting out?
They should play but you can't force anyone to play ball.
 

Lurker123

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Yeah, you can't force someone, but you could make playing in a bowl part of the NIL agreement.

Bit would that skirt close to the "pay for play" that might actually be enforceable by the NCAA?

In short, it would be nice, but not sure how to really do it.
 
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92Pony

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Until we have real binding contracts, there’s no way. Then I can see the new thing of getting 3/4 through the season and filing a lawsuit to get out of the contract so as to not have to play in the bowl game. The lunacy k owes no bounds. And at this point, I don’t think it will ever make sense again.
 

muscleknight

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With the playoff bowls to me are meaningless. If I was a coach I would treat it like a 2nd spring practice. I would play my starters for a quarter then play the rest of my team for the rest of the game. If any of my starters don't want to play I'm not worrying about it.
 

bayrooster

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Just want your thoughts on this. If a player is getting millions to play for a school, then should the NIL deal include prohibiting opting out?
If one opts out for the NFL draft any NIL agreements they signed would be terminated, I would hope.
 

Guy in the Back

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Apparently, I am in the minority, but yes they should play. They wanted money, if someone pays any of us they expect services rendered. And yes I know they aren’t getting paid to play, but rather their image and likeness use. But in reality they are getting paid to play. Not only that, but a large number are choosing their stop/stops based off of money and money alone.

If revenue sharing happens, then opt-outs should definitely have to repay their money since they did not fulfill their end.
 

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It's really simple. Make NIL deals dependent on games. Games missed from injury won't cut the pay, but there should be some accountability. You're a paid athlete now, same as the pros.
 

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Just want your thoughts on this. If a player is getting millions to play for a school, then should the NIL deal include prohibiting opting out?
Yes. Absolutely.

Make it a simple "x", "y", scenario...... in the form of penalties to final pay. If you miss "X" game, or games, you lose "Y" amount of dollars.....INCLUDING potential bowl games.

Problem solved. It likely wouldn't impact the highest of potential draft players, as it would still benefit them (Selfishly) to sit out anyway, but it would stop some of the divas from quitting. Would it be perfect? No. Better? Yes.
 

secocks

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What if USC demands this in their nil deals but all the other sec schools don’t
 

ThinnyJ

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Why not just offer NIL money on a "per-game" basis. Where a better game puts more money in your pocket, while a bad one puts less... That would incentivize better players and harder work...
 

atl-cock

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I agree. I should have worded my question differently. Would you be in favor of NIL deals being set up to prohibit big-time players from opting out?
I would structure the contract to prohibit opting out for all players, big and small.
 

atl-cock

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Why not just offer NIL money on a "per-game" basis. Where a better game puts more money in your pocket, while a bad one puts less... That would incentivize better players and harder work...
Interesting thought.
 

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Just want your thoughts on this. If a player is getting millions to play for a school, then should the NIL deal include prohibiting opting out?
It’s not pay for play so no.
 

Piscis

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It’s not pay for play so no.
The value of the name, image and likeness is directly proportional to the player actually playing. Players who never set foot on the field don't, or shouldn't, get near the same NIL deal as the "stars". If I'm paying a player for his NIL, the value of that NIL should definitely be tied to his playing time. A great player who is injured on the first drive of the season and out for the season is worth next to nothing when it comes to his value in marketing using his name, image and likeness.

It is not pay for play but the act of playing creates the value of the product the player is being paid for. There should definitely be penalties for a player deciding to not play in a game. I also think NIL contracts should have performance clauses. If a player doesn't play and perform up to expectations, there should be monetary penalties.
 

18IsTheMan

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What if USC demands this in their nil deals but all the other sec schools don’t

And there's the problem.

It would be very easy for any NIL contract to simply state that a player agreeing to the deal is also agreeing to be available to play in all of their team's games, including postseason.

Why is nobody doing this? It will only work if EVERYONE does it. There are a lot of changes that could be made easily and quickly of all P5 programs agreed do it.
 

VZVZ

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The value of the name, image and likeness is directly proportional to the player actually playing. Players who never set foot on the field don't, or shouldn't, get near the same NIL deal as the "stars". If I'm paying a player for his NIL, the value of that NIL should definitely be tied to his playing time. A great player who is injured on the first drive of the season and out for the season is worth next to nothing when it comes to his value in marketing using his name, image and likeness.

It is not pay for play but the act of playing creates the value of the product the player is being paid for. There should definitely be penalties for a player deciding to not play in a game. I also think NIL contracts should have performance clauses. If a player doesn't play and perform up to expectations, there should be monetary penalties.
Let me boil that down for you - it’s not pay to play.
 

Gamecock Jacque

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I like the idea of players having a QR code on their helmets. Fans could just click and send money straight to their Vemo account. Collectives are unnecessary overhead.
 
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Gamecock Jacque

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Only those who pay for 4K streaming will be able to read the QR codes with their phones.
I scan them off TV all the time. And I had televised games in mind. Make a great play? Get an instant reward. They could just raise a code in the corner after the play. May have to pause for a second 🙂. Or something like that, seems like could be done.
 

Gamecock Jacque

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Or fans could have the chance to download the whole team's codes. Fans could click the codes they want after a good play.
 

bayrooster

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I scan them off TV all the time. And I had televised games in mind. Make a great play? Get an instant reward. They could just raise a code in the corner after the play. May have to pause for a second 🙂. Or something like that, seems like could be done.
I was thinking of them on helmets of players on the field. The ones displayed in the frame of commercials aren't moving. 🙂
 

Gamecock72

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The short answer is no, not until we get a CBA. A CBA would go a long way in fixing a lot of issues we have right now. Until then, there is really no power to do anything like that.
 
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