Should we scrap recruiting in Louisiana?

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Obviously, every recruit is different, but LSU is going to be able to call any of those kids home if they show promise.

That’s true the week before NSD; and, after their Freshman year; and, again after their Sophomore year; and, again after their…..
 

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You have to wonder how much the coaching staff over the past year affected the players and the trajectory of the program. I imagine some of these players have about had enough. it’s a shame there wasn’t a bridge built between Leach and Lebby where some continuity could have been maintained. we went from a shiny reliable 9-4 vehicle to a rusted out beater sitting on cinder blocks in one year.
 

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Screw recruiting out of high school. Maybe take 12 or so but then just go to the portal every year. Then slow them down in class work. Just push them to do the minimum to remain eligible. Also have a clause if they transfer when they graduate have a buy out in place.
 

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Not sure about yall but this type stuff really makes me want to spend money on our NIL collective. What a terrible investment….and it will continue to get worse as all of these farm system teams get separated from the blue bloods.

Not a damn chance we win within these parameters. It’s burning at both ends.
 

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Obviously, every recruit is different, but LSU is going to be able to call any of those kids home if they show promise.

That’s true the week before NSD; and, after their Freshman year; and, again after their Sophomore year; and, again after their…..
“Mississippi State recruiting Louisiana is useless.” —Dak Prescott **
 

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You have to wonder how much the coaching staff over the past year affected the players and the trajectory of the program. I imagine some of these players have about had enough. it’s a shame there wasn’t a bridge built between Leach and Lebby where some continuity could have been maintained. we went from a shiny reliable 9-4 vehicle to a rusted out beater sitting on cinder blocks in one year.
That's Keenum's fault. He should have gotten off his *** and hired an AD. If you were going to go the assistant AD route, why wait so long to hire. He could have hired Selmon a week after that *** hole Cohen left.
 

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LSU can take only so many. Then there is only one SEC school in that state.
We offer the opportunity to play in the SEC, it has value. Kick the tires.
Wendy's use to let McDonald do all the research as to where to build. When McDonalds built Wendy followed. Same principle. We take a chance on a guy that leaves a spot open for LSU to go sign someone else. When the guy pans out, they come in and take him away. Something is going to have to happen. It's kind like us being the testing ground for new vehicles.
 

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We'll be fine going forward. We're competitive in the NIL world now. Take less high school kids and recruit the portal heavier.
 
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Obviously, every recruit is different, but LSU is going to be able to call any of those kids home if they show promise.

That’s true the week before NSD; and, after their Freshman year; and, again after their Sophomore year; and, again after their…..

If we had not recruited Zavion because he was from Louisiana, we wouldn’t have had our best receiver this year.
You take the best players you can sign. And get more aggressive about playing the other end of the portal, stealing guys from USM and South Alabama. I’m not sure taking castoffs from Miami and Alabama is really working out for us (with the exception of Cole Smith)
 
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If we had not recruited Zavion because he was from Louisiana, we wouldn’t have had our best receiver this year.
You take the best players you can sign. And get more aggressive about playing the other end of the portal, stealing guys from USM and South Alabama. I’m not sure taking castoffs from Miami and Alabama is really working out for us (with the exception of Cole Smith)
Yep….if Nick Saban lets them go there is a reason. But we can get a lot of smaller schools best players. Heck Schrader for Mizzou was a walkon.
 

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LSU can take only so many. Then there is only one SEC school in that state.
We offer the opportunity to play in the SEC, it has value. Kick the tires.
They’ll only come back after the ones that actually turned out to be really good. They’ll have a spot or find a spot for them if they turned out be to be really good.
 

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I think you mean.... a bridge from Mullen to Lebby.

Our recruiting since Mullen walked out.... two thumbs down.
I think this an instance where "post hoc ergo propter hoc" is not a fallacy. All roads lead back to Cohen and him having to show everyone how smart he was by hiring someone like Joe Moorhead.
 

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Obviously, every recruit is different, but LSU is going to be able to call any of those kids home if they show promise.

That’s true the week before NSD; and, after their Freshman year; and, again after their Sophomore year; and, again after their…..
We should scrap recruiting high school players, period. All of them. Unless they are total projects with no P4 offers that are totally expendable on a year-to-year basis (meaning they cost nothing beyond a scholly), then 17 them.

Our limited funds need to be 100% focused into the portal. Just wait a year, and go all-in on the ones that pan out.
 
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Obviously, every recruit is different, but LSU is going to be able to call any of those kids home if they show promise.

That’s true the week before NSD; and, after their Freshman year; and, again after their Sophomore year; and, again after their…..
Yup. **** Dak.
 

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If we had not recruited Zavion because he was from Louisiana, we wouldn’t have had our best receiver this year.
You take the best players you can sign.
We assumed sunk costs well into the mid-six figures for 500 yards and 2 TD’s in 2 years from him.

We just can’t keep playing that game. We’re only half-*** playing it now, which is even worse than not playing it at all. We need all the money focused on the portal. Do that and we don’t have this problem with “retention” payments, sunk costs from evaluation misses, sunk costs required just to get elite HS kids to visit, and so forth.
 
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That's Keenum's fault. He should have gotten off his *** and hired an AD. If you were going to go the assistant AD route, why wait so long to hire. He could have hired Selmon a week after that *** hole Cohen left.
Yes because he knew Coach Leach was going to pass away right before signing day. Come on dude get a grip. At the time there was absolutely no rush to hire an AD.
 

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LSU came in at the end. Dak really like Mullen and stuck to it but if NIL was around at the time Dak would have been at LSU. If not out of high school but in 2015.
Nah. Y’all are way too cynical. Dak would have stayed with Mullen because he knew what was best for him. I mean the guy turned down the NFL after 2014 and come back get more training. That’s the type kids we need, not the RaRa’s and Zavion’s.
 

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The next Dak Prescott or Jeffrey Simmons won’t play 4 years at Mississippi State. Or even 3 years. Not saying we shouldn’t recruit those guys. But they’ll finish their college career at an elite school.
Ya’ll act like all these guys are the same. Dak and Simmons had some character and integrity. They would have gotten paid (and did, surely you don’t think the black market didn’t take care of them?), but they wouldn’t have left.
 

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Ya’ll act like all these guys are the same. Dak and Simmons had some character and integrity. They would have gotten paid (and did, surely you don’t think the black market didn’t take care of them?), but they wouldn’t have left.
They wouldn’t be able to afford not to leave. Today’s NIL is an order of magnitude greater than the old black market. Plus they would have had to sit out a year back then.
 

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They wouldn’t be able to afford not to leave. Today’s NIL is an order of magnitude greater than the old black market. Plus they would have had to sit out a year back then.
Dak could have transferred without sitting a year for his 5th year, although I think the bigger competition was the draft.

To Mullen’s credit, he put together that “graduate level QB” plan for him, and really changed a lot of tendencies to help emphasize more downfield passing, more complex progressions, etc. that really showcased for NFL scouts a lot of things he didn’t do in 2014. Only 8 teams in the whole country threw the ball more often than MSU did in 2015….it definitely wasn’t the same old “3rd and Dak” offense that it was in 2013-14. Who knows where Dak would be right now without that season.
 

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They wouldn’t be able to afford not to leave. Today’s NIL is an order of magnitude greater than the old black market. Plus they would have had to sit out a year back then.
Nah, yall are just too cynical over the state of things with all the covid clowns with extra years, etc. It’s a jarring change, no doubt, but it won’t stay this way forever.
 

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Obviously, every recruit is different, but LSU is going to be able to call any of those kids home if they show promise.

That’s true the week before NSD; and, after their Freshman year; and, again after their Sophomore year; and, again after their…..
BAMA is the same way. In fact, they took one back this year that we had committed for a long time. He was starting to blow up in high school and looked very "Brock Bowerish". Saban decided to take him off our hook and bring him home. He was a TE prospect.
 

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I do think we should give up crootin baseball in LA, those guys never pan out. Not basketball or football though, simply too much talent to ignore.
 

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Not sure about yall but this type stuff really makes me want to spend money on our NIL collective. What a terrible investment….and it will continue to get worse as all of these farm system teams get separated from the blue bloods.

Not a damn chance we win within these parameters. It’s burning at both ends.
Makes me want to reassess my fall weekend priorities and plans…
 
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BAMA is the same way. In fact, they took one back this year that we had committed for a long time. He was starting to blow up in high school and looked very "Brock Bowerish". Saban decided to take him off our hook and bring him home. He was a TE prospect.
Are you talking about Jay Lindsey ? Brock Bowers ?
 

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Yes because he knew Coach Leach was going to pass away right before signing day. Come on dude get a grip. At the time there was absolutely no rush to hire an AD.
You don't sit around because basically like you said you don't know what is going to happen. He could have hired Selmon really fast. I would bet a year's pay that he hadn't even begin to look when Leach died. In this world of, December signing day, NIL, and Transfer portal you don't leave an athletic department without a leader for two or three months. You take action as soon as you can. It is on Keenum. You can believe what you want, and I will continue to blame Keenum. College athletics have change and you need to get a grip on that fact. Those who sit around with their fingers up their *** will lose. You take action as soon as you can.
 
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GloryDawg

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They wouldn’t be able to afford not to leave. Today’s NIL is an order of magnitude greater than the old black market. Plus they would have had to sit out a year back then.
Obviously, my opinion, Dak came from a very poor family and his mother became sick. He would have had to take the most money available. I would not have blamed hm.
 

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The next Dak Prescott or Jeffrey Simmons won’t play 4 years at Mississippi State. Or even 3 years. Not saying we shouldn’t recruit those guys. But they’ll finish their college career at an elite school.
This is false. And shows how little you think of our program. We have close to 10MM in NIl just for football and are spending wisely. Meanwhile some schools in the SEC you would consider elite are having some issues with NIL.
All this hand wringing over a WR who has scored what 4 TDs in his career is a total joke. It’s like some of all are don’t think we can replace him with like or better talent. We have a lot of chicken littles right now.
 

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This is false. And shows how little you think of our program. We have close to 10MM in NIl just for football and are spending wisely. Meanwhile some schools in the SEC you would consider elite are having some issues with NIL.
All this hand wringing over a WR who has scored what 4 TDs in his career is a total joke. It’s like some of all are don’t think we can replace him with like or better talent. We have a lot of chicken littles right now.
If we have all this money, how come we're getting boat raced in recruiting and the transfer portal? We either don't have the money or we're not spending it wisely. We've just had a player transfer out just a couple of weeks after we announced a new NIL deal for him. That doesn't look good.
 
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