Since DowntownDumbass says Pat Casey is #1...

[Coach34]

for the job and me and KB21 are the only ones that dont have him as our top candidates...lets examine this a little further...

Pat Casey in 14 seasons at Oregon St has been to THREE postseasons...THREE in FOURTEEN YEARS

In the last 10 years, he has finished 6th or lower in a 9 team conference(Oregon doesnt play baseball yet) EIGHT times.

He has never coached in the Southeast, has no ties to this area, and would have to spend a helluva lot of time building relationships and hiring people that know this area somewhat. If he hires just West Coast guys that dont know **** about the area, we are 17'ed.

I respect the hell out of the man for winning CWS titles. But to annoit him the best candidate possible based on his total track record is crazy. DowntownDumbass will call me out for not wanting Casey as the top choice in baseball, yet calls Rcky our best basketball coach due to his consistentcy and says Williams just got lucky with good players in 95 and 96. It appears to me Casey "just got lucky" with good players in 2006 ad 2007.

If we want to say Ricky has been unlucky in the NCAA Tourney, then you certainly have to say Casey has been very fortunate in the NCAA Tourney. Cause he damn sure dont get there often (3 times in 14 years).

And by the way, Cohen is in the NCAA Tourney this year and probably hosting a regional, Casey can come interview now because he wont be.

 

[Coach34]

for the job and me and KB21 are the only ones that dont have him as our top candidates...lets examine this a little further...

Pat Casey in 14 seasons at Oregon St has been to THREE postseasons...THREE in FOURTEEN YEARS

In the last 10 years, he has finished 6th or lower in a 9 team conference(Oregon doesnt play baseball yet) EIGHT times.

He has never coached in the Southeast, has no ties to this area, and would have to spend a helluva lot of time building relationships and hiring people that know this area somewhat. If he hires just West Coast guys that dont know **** about the area, we are 17'ed.

I respect the hell out of the man for winning CWS titles. But to annoit him the best candidate possible based on his total track record is crazy. DowntownDumbass will call me out for not wanting Casey as the top choice in baseball, yet calls Rcky our best basketball coach due to his consistentcy and says Williams just got lucky with good players in 95 and 96. It appears to me Casey "just got lucky" with good players in 2006 ad 2007.

If we want to say Ricky has been unlucky in the NCAA Tourney, then you certainly have to say Casey has been very fortunate in the NCAA Tourney. Cause he damn sure dont get there often (3 times in 14 years).

And by the way, Cohen is in the NCAA Tourney this year and probably hosting a regional, Casey can come interview now because he wont be.

 

[Brad.sixpack]

I'd rather take a shot with Cohen than Casey.</p>

The fact that he has no ties to the Southeast worries me the most.</p>

 

[SanfordRJones]

I can't say I disagree with your sentiment, although not your whole argument. He's at the top of my list because of his post-season success, but it still concerns me that he hasn't consistently gotten there. I may be wrong to assume this, but I would expect him to get to the post-season more often at MSU by being able to recruit top talent more consistently here than at OSU. I may be being woolly, but I think we can get to the post-season just as much or more than we have historically if Casey is the head coach, and I'd love to have a coach who knows how to win in the post-season.

 

[patdog]

Polk's done a good job of getting us to the NCAA tournament but has trouble winning games there. Casey's not so great at getting his team to the tournament, but is hell once he does get there.

 

[Coach34]

that him not being my #1 choice is not unreasonable. I think that 3 postseason trips in 14 years is kinda ******. Now, there is no doubt he has made the most of his chances, but its kinda like Richard Williams- couple of great seasons along a bunch of mediocre ones

 

[Coach34]

doesnt have to share talent in the West like the SEC, ACC, and other teams of the Southeast do. In case people havent noticed, its kinda competitve in this region. The Pac-10 aint no SEC, thats fo sho

 

[SanfordRJones]

There's also a much bigger talent pool here than there is in the Northwest.

 

[Todd4State]

doesnt have to share talent in the West like the SEC, ACC, and other teams of the Southeast do. In case people havent noticed, its kinda competitve in this region. The Pac-10 aint no SEC, thats fo sho

</p>to himself, and Washington and Northern California have some pretty good players as well.

To be honest, Washington, and WSU usuaally have pretty good teams, but no one cares about college baseball up there.

 

[BlindDawg]

Its funny that you are comparing Casey to Richard Williams since you think Williams was such a great coach. I view Cohen as a baseball Rick Stansbury (consistently vying for the postseason but no real success to date). It cracks me up that you rake Rick over the coals for this and proclaim guys like John Brady and Mark Gottfried better coaches cause they had one good run, yet you're doing a 180 when it comes to baseball and proclaiming Cohen to be better than Casey. You can't have it both ways, which is it? For the record, I won't be upset with either choice, but I think its nuts to say a guy who has had no postseason success yet is a better candidate than a guy with two championship rings.How many times he has or hasn't gotten to the postseason isn't nearly as important in knowing that he knows what to do when he gets there and I believe with MSU's resources he could have us there consistently.

 

[Coach34]

how in the 17 hell does he miss the Tourney in 2008 after winning back to back championships? Is he Richard Williams 95-96?</p>

Many of you hammer Richard for this yet want to hire this guy...I dont understand....</p>

 

[SanfordRJones]

Yeah, he must be as terrible as Billy Donovan, who missed the NCAA tournament this year after back-to-back titles. ...And in case you forgot, Williams went to the Sweet Sixteen and the Final Four, which isn't the same as 3 straight CWS appearances and two straight titles.

 

[Coach34]

Williams was just unlucky in the Sweet 16 and Finals like Stansbury has been...Casey is actually the Coach34 perfect candidate- he makes it and wins. All you 17'ers apologize for Ricky cause you say he has been unlucky and will make it farther eventually cause he gets alot of chances.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Oregon State's series with Pacific this weekend will likely determine their fate. If I had to bet, I'd say that Oregon State will receive a bid to the tournament.

 

[Coach34]

Oregon State's series with Pacific this weekend will likely determine their fate. If I had to bet, I'd say that Oregon State will receive a bid to the tournament.

</p>at 25-24 and 8th in the Pac-9 it would take a miracle for them to make the Tourney

 

[BlindDawg]

I have never once hammered Richard Williams. I think he was a great coach. Whether him or Rick is a better coach is debatable, but that's for another day. About the baseball coach - He missed the 2008 tournament after making it for three years most likely cause most of his roster was depleted either by the draft or graduation much the same way Billy Donovan's team was(as has already been pointed out). Don't turn this onto someone else talking about Williams vs. Stansbury. I want to know how you can proclaim Williams greater than Stansbury for having more postseason success yet have the exact opposite view when it comes to Casey vs. Cohen? Is it because Cohen has MSU ties?

 

[SanfordRJones]

Coach34 proves himself incapable of rational discussion.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Oregon State's series with Pacific this weekend will likely determine their fate. If I had to bet, I'd say that Oregon State will receive a bid to the tournament.

at 25-24 and 8th in the Pac-9 it would take a miracle for them to make the Tourney

their Pac-10 record is better than it was last year. Also, since their Pac-10 season is done, but most aren't, and they're probably going to end up 5th or 6th. Anyway, they may not deserve a bid, but I bet they get one.
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[Coach34]

have I been berated on here for defending Williams when the majority defends Ricky? Yet the board wants to flip-flop now in baseball?

 

[Coach34]

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[RobertF50]

probably took some years. In 14 years maybe he's only been to post season 4 times, but they have been in the CWS for 3 straight years. It makes sense to have a down year after that kind of success. I would be happy with Cohen or Casey, but my favorite choice is still Mike Kinnisson from Delta State.

 

[Coach34]

have I been berated on here for defending Williams when the majority defends Ricky? Yet the board wants to flip-flop now in baseball?

 

[Todd4State]

There's also a much bigger talent pool here than there is in the Northwest.

</p>There's a LOT more talent in the Northwest. Mainly because of Seattle/Tacoma and Portland. Spokane is also about the size of Jackson. There are a ton of people up there- and a lot of them are big, rugged people who are pretty athletic looking. Northern California is not the Pacific Northwest per se, but there is a lot of talent there as well.

The biggest difference is the level of interest. In Oregon, they're more into the Mariners and trying to get a MLB team to Portland than they are college baseball. It may have changed since I was last there, because I left before OSU had their run. I am sure the interest has picked up some- Oregon starting their program back up is evidence of this- but I would still say that most of the people are into pro baseball than college.

 

[BlindDawg]

You don't get berated for defending Williams. You get berated for not being even handed and giving Stansbury little to no credit. Once again, you still haven't answered my question of how you can view the same situation in different sports two different ways? Quit talking about everything but the issue at hand. Again, in case you forgot the original argument/question here it is broken down for you -

Issue #1 You think: Williams > Stansbury
Your reason: Williams had deeper tournament runs albeit in fewer appearances than Stansbury
Issue #2 You think: Cohen > Casey
Your reason: Cohen has been more consistent in getting to the postseason in his career in spite of Casey winning the National Championship in 2 of 3 appearances.

Please explain.

 

[SanfordRJones]

I can't find a list of current MLB players by home state, so my list below is pretty pointless. There are a lot more people in Oregon and Washington, but not as much baseball talent. According to wikipedia, here are the numbers of past and current major leaguers by state:

Oregon: 65
Washington: 84

Mississippi: 93
Louisiana: 118
Alabama: 156

 

[rebel law]

So you really want Cohen over Casey? I hope Byrne feels the same way. Wow.

 

[Todd4State]

that the population of the Pacific Northwest has grown a lot since the early 1900's, which is when some of those numbers came from.

Plus in the early days of baseball, most of the better players from that region played in the Pacific Coast League until about the 1940's, which was very comparable to the Major Leagues at that time.</p>

 

[RHobbs9]

BlindDawg wrote:
Issue #1 You think: Williams > Stansbury
Your reason: Williams had deeper tournament runs albeit in fewer appearances than Stansbury

Please explain.

I am not Coach34 and basketball is not my speciality, but I will have to jump in and defend Coach34 on this one. Stansbury's philosophy is based on defense and rebounding. He has had success stressing these two phases of the game. Richard also stressed these two phases, however with Richard, we actually ran an offense! Watch how many people we have standing around under Rick's system. Even go back to before the Jamont Offense that we have run lately. Our players stand around. I hate having to watch us throw the ball to our center 5 feet above the top of the key, because that is the only pass we can make. I don't ever remember seeing us having to pass to Dampier beyond the arc. I miss seeing guys setting back picks and moving without the ball.

I will say that Rick is a better recruiter.....I would love to have seen how far Richard would have taken us with the talent we have had in the 2000's. </p>

 

[SanfordRJones]

You're not going to convince me that there is more baseball talent in the Pacific Northwest, so you can stop wasting your time. Just because there are more people up there (admittedly, a lot more) and they are lumberjack types doesn't mean they all play baseball.

 

[Coach34]

Williams was a better coach than Ricky. Now, you cant debate which of the two is the better recruiter. Thats been shown the last 8 years.

 

[Stormrider81]

This isn't about Williams versus Stansbury, this is about the inconsistency of Peaches in making arguments.

He takes Williams over Stansbury largely because of his postseason success even though Williams only made 3 NCAA Tourney appearances. In two of those trips he made it to the Sweet 16 or further whereas Stansbury hasn't made it past the second round in 5 trips. We've argued this point over and over again and we know for sure where Peaches stands here.

But now he takes Cohen over Casey in what appears to be a complete reversal of philosophy. Casey hasn't made many postseason trips but won 2 straight national championships. Cohen has been a little big more consistent but has no postseason success to speak of. That's a pretty close comparison to Williams v Stansbury and Peaches takes the opposte stance that he does in that argument, and that is why Blind is asking for clarification.

I won't be upset with either hire. Casey gives you a guy that has won 2 national titles at Oregon State. Think about that for a second. Oregon State, where people didn't give a crap about baseball before his success. Oregon State, which was a craphole of an athletic department until Byrne's crew was hired there and raised the donor base and level of expectations. Cohen has won a lot of games at Kentucky, another place that doesnt' care about baseball. Their record crowd is circa 3K. Kentucky people are busy paying attention to horse racing during the heart of baseball season. Both coaches would be slam dunk hires and I would be thrilled with either. I would put Casey over Cohen because that would give us a coach who has won a national title, which would be huge. Still, either one would excite me about MSU baseball again.

 

[SoxFan343]

Cohen is the second to last coach I want to see in Starkville. Tim Corbin would be the last. Pat Casey wouldn't worry me as much as those two, especially at first. Casey has no clue what he is getting himself into. Corbin and Cohen would know exactly what they are getting themselves into.

 

[Coach34]

is that many of the same people that constantly say Stansbury is better than Williams, want Casey over Cohen. It works both ways ya know.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

is that many of the same people that constantly say Stansbury is better than Williams, want Casey over Cohen. It works both ways ya know.

If Richard Williams had won 2 National Championships, we probably would think he's better than Stansbury.</p>

 

[Stormrider81]

Casey has 3 trips in 13 years. Cohen has 1 trip in 4 years.

Williams went to 3 NCAAs in 12 years. Stansbury has gone to 5 NCAAs in 10 years.

The people that appreciate Stansbury's consistency, such as myself, point to that as one reason to put him above Williams. Williams' accomplishments should not be overlooked however. One thing to remember is that Stansbury was a key assistant during Williams' heyday. Cohen has no consistency in getting his teams to the postseason. There really isn't a valid argument there. If you are going to argue lack of consistency in getting to the postseason then it should be applied to both men.

Now, you down on Rick for lack of success once in the postseason while talking up those less consistent than him that have one or two good postseason runs. Then you turn around and downgrade someone with 3 trips to the CWS and 2 straight national titles while talking up someone with no postseason success to speak of. You've yet to address the inconsistency in your belief in what makes a good coach. Is it postseason success or not?

Cohen's lack of postseason success doesn't really concern me. If we can get a 2 time national champion coach here who is still in the prime of his career, that's what I'd rather us do. Still, I'd take Cohen as well.

 

[BlindDawg]

This is your classic coach34 move. When called out, argue about everything else in hopes of avoiding and deflecting attention from the fact that you just got called out for blatant double-standard or faulty information. Since it is apparent I'll get no real answer from you, I am through with this thread. Carry on with your usual ways coach...