This part, and just this part, is definitely on brand, my "Hell Bent for Leather" friend.
So … it appears B Shapen is set to return while
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MVB isn’t worth $1.5 million.
I’m glad you aren’t making the decisions around here
Kinda like saying the economy is doing great because the Dow is hitting all time highs while average Joes are struggling to afford eggs and milk.
I have that gettup, but I wear it like a real man....
ETA: If I croak and my wife and kids find this board, tell them I'm sorry, I was just drunk most of the time I typed.
If you’re locking a player in for 3 years with a contract I see your point, but the odds of keeping a player for 3 years is slim to none unless you want to renegotiate and overpay each year.
I don't know where you live, but in central MS every restaurant is full, parking lots for every store are full, when I travel up the east coast (once per year), every airport and train station is full. I went to Austin a couple months ago, everything was full of people. I hear folks are struggling, but don't see it with my eyes.
The problem would still remain. As long as you run common schemes, then if you do find a value player one year and he does well, then the big boys come in and out bid us. With less of a pocket book or to prevent this as much, the answer is to run niche systems. This, value players in a niche system wouodnt translate as well to the big boys common schemes they run.
I wouldn't sign him for $1.5 at State, I assuming our yearly salary cap is $6-$8mil. If Arnold wanted $700k and MVP wanted $800k, I'd probably sign MVB over him. If we're paying Shapen more than $250k, we're overpaying. He's a quality backup, not a SEC season long starter.
I'd love to see one of these contracts. Are the multi year? How are payment structured, game checks like the NFL? I'm assuming there are outs for the player?
No idea what they look like. I figure it will take a couple of years until we see some stability/improvement. Once you have time for a couple of cycles of experienced players overvaluing themselves and jumping in the portal with no takers, then trying to go back where they came from and being told “sorry we’re full”, then I think we’ll see some sanity brought into it.
Again, are you sure it's disposable income which would support your assumption or could it be people blowing through savings and running up credit cards? Not everything is always what it seems.
I like MVB a lot, he did well under the circumstances this year. But thinking longterm, would you rather have MVB or Kamario Taylor starting in 2027? If you pick MVB, who would be your QB in 28? This is a long game, and Lebby needs the next 2 years of solid QB play until the highest rated QB to ever come to State takes over. That's the plan.
He is trying like hell to get Arnold to come in so that, between Shapen and Arnold, we would have two solid starters with experience next year. Arnold would clearly be the starter in 2026. Kamario Taylor will take the reigns from there. That's pretty plainly what he's trying to accomplish.
MVB is asking for more money than Shapen and Arnold (combined, possibly), and we need OL and DL much much more than we need to pay him that much - so if you don't like that he's leaving, you need to direct your ire at him, not Lebby. He's playing the cards he has.
Anecdotal right? Isn't that what you guys always say?
Facts are facts. Prices up astronomically over last 4 years. Wages not up as much.
$700k is probably too much for any QB at MSU right now. Even Cam Newton. If we can get 3 to 5 above average D-Linemen and a couple of above average O-Line and theres money left to pay $700k, sure go ahead.
Which mathematical means a lot of people are spending savings or running up credit.
*assuming there has been no change in discretionary spending which is the claim
Unfortunately people always do that. Be crazy if the government and secondary education taught against that.
For the money he's demanding, the headaches he brings, the VERY inconsistent play, and the other glaring needs we have, we're better off letting him go. Hopefully, we get Arnold and if not hopefully Shapen is healthy all year.