So If Clemson smashes SMU is SMU out and we are in?

[Gradstudent]

If Clemson wins the ACC does our win look better? Enough to jump Alabama? Given Miami is out, and SMU drops out after losing to Clemson?

Was Beamer onto something, more than making a nice gesture toward his friend Dabo, when he said he was rooting for Syracuse to lose and Clemson to make and win the ACC Championship?

Our scenarios may have dwindled on Saturday, even with the win, but is this one that is still left?

 

[Blues man]

nm

 

[HuntinAces]

I think they are so adamant against 3 loss teams until presented with no other alternative.
meaning I’m not convinced they will drop Miami out. Bama moves to 12. Then we have to think of the real possibility Texas beats UGA. Then and only then will a 3 loss team get in, and maybe a reason Bama is ahead of us. It will be UGA or Bama in that scenario.
Also have a hard time seeing SMU dropping out regardless of the outcome against Clemson. Though I obviously think they should and would also have us ahead of Miami at this point

 

[Hoganman1]

It may be futile to try to figure out what the committee will do and I hate that. A better system imo (and no it probably wouldn't help us this year) is for the committee to make their decisions before the conference championship games are played. Or if after, dont take the games in to account other than the winners get byes. I just dont see the fairness in judging teams that get more opportunities than others to show the committee what they can do. In other words, everybody plays X amount of games and pick the at-larges at that point.

You are right. It’s a little weird that some teams will have thirteen game resumes while others only have twelve. It will help the conference winners get a bye but may eliminate the losers. The problem is the system assumes the conferences are equal when clearly they are not. I guess we are stuck with this until they decide to change it again.

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

If Clemson wins the ACC does our win look better? Enough to jump Alabama? Given Miami is out, and SMU drops out after losing to Clemson?

Was Beamer onto something, more than making a nice gesture toward his friend Dabo, when he said he was rooting for Syracuse to lose and Clemson to make and win the ACC Championship?

Our scenarios may have dwindled on Saturday, even with the win, but is this one that is still left?

Its possible. They seem to want to send a message that 3 losses, even regardless if you happen to play in the NFC North, ain't getting you in. They're not picking the top 12 teams. Of the 12 I projected in my recent "Jason Autrey Villain" thread, our Cocks would be favored on a neutral field vs over half of them.

 

[Vegas13]

If Clemson wins the ACC does our win look better? Enough to jump Alabama? Given Miami is out, and SMU drops out after losing to Clemson?

Was Beamer onto something, more than making a nice gesture toward his friend Dabo, when he said he was rooting for Syracuse to lose and Clemson to make and win the ACC Championship?

Our scenarios may have dwindled on Saturday, even with the win, but is this one that is still left?

I think so for them to save face. Close win by Clem and they take both. Let's just pull for an SMU blowout.

 

[Bubba Fett]

Miami will be in.

 

[Vintage_54]

If Clemson wins the ACC does our win look better? Enough to jump Alabama? Given Miami is out, and SMU drops out after losing to Clemson?

Was Beamer onto something, more than making a nice gesture toward his friend Dabo, when he said he was rooting for Syracuse to lose and Clemson to make and win the ACC Championship?

Our scenarios may have dwindled on Saturday, even with the win, but is this one that is still left?

SMU will not drop out …. Clemson needs to lose

 

[Vintage_54]

Its possible. They seem to want to send a message that 3 losses, even regardless if you happen to play in the NFC North, ain't getting you in. They're not picking the top 12 teams. Of the 12 I projected in my recent "Jason Autrey Villain" thread, our Cocks would be favored on a neutral field vs over half of them.

He said he was pulling FOR Syracuse to WIN ….

 

[Vintage_54]

Miami will be in.

Out

 

[DrMickeySC]

So, I listened to a sports reporter (National not local) discussing the fact that the committee talks a good game about strength of schedule…until it’s time to rank teams. And then it’s 1 loss is better than 2 is better than 3, no matter what kind of schedule a team played. So it’s lip service, but they not willing to put the votes with their statements. He noted that if that’s the case, you have ZERO incentive to play a power conference team out of conference. And sadly, I suspect he is correct. He wasn’t happy about it, either.

But alas, snatching a victory from Clemson softens the blow. Which is why I wonder about this thread…The correct answer is NEVER pull for Clemson under any circumstances. Seriously.

 

[SouthernBelly]

The Gamecocks are not getting into the playoffs.

 

[HI Cock1]

No way we jump Ole Miss and Bama. Not going to happen, especially because they have head-to-head wins against us (one at home). Injuries could play a role in the decision, but not likely again this year. SMU is in no matter what. They screwed the ACC last year, and even though the product on the field isn't as good as SEC, they'll get at least TWO in (SMU win: +Miami, SMU lose: SMU+Clemson... maybe Miami, too).

They certainly aren't going to take a 2-loss SEC team and 4 3-loss SEC teams. No way.

Pretty cool that we're in the conversation at least... unfinished business for next year.

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

He said he was pulling FOR Syracuse to WIN ….

Huh?

 

[Gradstudent]

But alas, snatching a victory from Clemson softens the blow. Which is why I wonder about this thread…The correct answer is NEVER pull for Clemson under any circumstances. Seriously.

For the record, I did not say I was pulling for them, but was more of a discussion, about was it a possible scenario? But the Tuesday ranking will really explain what if any scenarios are left.

I think like the AP we jump Miami and Ole Piss but Alabama is still in front of us.

 

[92Pony]

The Gamecocks are not getting into the playoffs.

 

[Bubba Fett]

Out

Maybe, but I would not bet on that.

Here is the thing:

Eight teams are in no matter what else happens. That's Oregon, Notre Dame, Georgia, Tennessee, Ohio State, Indiana, Ohio St, and Pen State.

Three more teams will be get Conference auto bids:

Boise State vs UNLV
SMU vs Clemson
Az St vs Iowa St.

Anything can happen, but Boise and Az St. should win. That's spots 9 and 10.

If SMU wins, they get spot 11, and spot 12 would go to:

Miami, SC, Bama, or Miss. If the committee wants to avoid giving the 12 spot to a 3 loss regular season team, then they will give it to Miami. Or they could go Bama, because Bama will be ranked higher.

If Clemson wins, then I don't know what the heck will happen... They might still give the 12 spot to SMU.

Polling wise, it looks like they have already said no to Ol Miss and Miami. So. it's either Bama or us!

So... yeah, Miami is probably out, but the whole 3 loss thing might be a factor.

Sadly, I think when it's done we'll be #13.

 

[Lurker123]

Polling wise, it looks like they have already said no to Ol Miss and Miami. So. it's either Bama or us!

The last playoff poll still had Ole Miss ahead of us. Are you talking AP or coach's poll?

 

[Anon1674955375]

SMU is in win or lose.

 

[Bubba Fett]

The last playoff poll still had Ole Miss ahead of us. Are you talking AP or coach's poll?

AP... but point taken. If the current playoff pole is the really, really, real thing, then Miami is a lock and there will be no open 12 spot.

If they think Miami is the 6th best now, nothing will move them out of the top 12. It's just a matter of the Conference winners.

I could see it working out that way. The message being, don't lose 3 regular season games.

Even though we got robbed, I would be okay with that.

 

[Bubba Fett]

SMU is in win or lose.

They are 9th in the playoff poll. They are out if they lose. If they are in with a loss, name who they would displace?

 

[treyno2722]

The only robbing was us losing to LSU.

 

[Bubba Fett]

Playoff Poll: https://collegefootballplayoff.com/rankings.aspx

Hat tip to @Lurker123 for reminding me I should have been looking at this poll, and not the AP Poll.

 

[cockyferg]

Miami will be in.

You're probably right, but they would be taking the 3rd place finisher in the ACC over a team who would have possibly beaten the ACC champions--assuming Clemson wins.

 

[Evilchicken]

I can’t believe we are discussing SMU, Boise, IU, or Arizona State being in the playoffs. Freaking cupcakes with cupcake schedules. ******* laughable.

 

[Bubba Fett]

I can’t believe we are discussing SMU, Boise, IU, or Arizona State being in the playoffs. Freaking cupcakes with cupcake schedules. ******* laughable.

Yep, but sadly that's the way it is.

And 2 or 3 really good SEC teams will be outside looking in.

 

[Swifty]

They are 9th in the playoff poll. They are out if they lose. If they are in with a loss, name who they would displace?

The 3-loss SEC teams. I believe the 12 are going to be, in no order:
Oregon
Penn St
Ohio St
Indiana
Texas
Georgia
Tennessee
Notre Dame
Big XII Champ
MWC (Boise or UNLV) OR possibly Tulane if they roll Army and UNLV wins
ACC Champs
Miami if SMU wins/SMU if climpson wins

 

[Bubba Fett]

The 3-loss SEC teams. I believe the 12 are going to be, in no order:
Oregon
Penn St
Ohio St
Indiana
Texas
Georgia
Tennessee
Notre Dame
Big XII Champ
MWC (Boise or UNLV) OR possibly Tulane if they roll Army and UNLV wins
ACC Champs
Miami if SMU wins/SMU if climpson wins

Ugh, it's so confusing... everybody seems to think they're going to drop Miami 6+ spots. IDK

 

[Yard_Pimps]

They are 9th in the playoff poll. They are out if they lose. If they are in with a loss, name who they would displace?

We will have to wait and see. I find it hard to believe the committee will punish a team for playing in a championship while another team sits at home. Not to mention a one loss team vs a 3 loss.

 

[Swifty]

We'll know the pecking order tomorrow night. The highest rated among Miami, Bama, SC and Ole Miss will be the one who can get in.

 

[Beanerball]

Miami is out, as stated before. It all depends on where they rank us Tuesday night. If Clemson blows out SMU , who knows maybe? ACC weakness could come into play. Best chance is still SMU winning. If ASU loses, does Iowa State get a bid. Not a given, another conference champ possibly could. A’m I correct on that?

 

[SouthernBelly]

I can’t believe we are discussing SMU, Boise, IU, or Arizona State being in the playoffs. Freaking cupcakes with cupcake schedules. ******* laughable.

End autobids and repeal the 19th.

 

[Bubba Fett]

Listening to what the committee people are saying... the 12 that comes out tonight will be "locked." The only thing that would change is the possible upsets in the Conference Championship games. So, pay serious attention to the poll tonight.

 

[Swifty]

Yep.
I have a suspicion the committee is going to have it Miami 11, Bama/Carolina 12/13 and wait to see who wins the ACC to either lace SMU/Miami or climpson/SMU in and then the highest rated of the Boise St/UNLV winner and Tulane/Army winner. to round it all out.

 

[WendellGee]

They are 9th in the playoff poll. They are out if they lose. If they are in with a loss, name who they would displace?

Losses to 2 teams still ranked ahead of you doesn’t help

 

[Lurker123]

Listening to what the committee people are saying... the 12 that comes out tonight will be "locked." The only thing that would change is the possible upsets in the Conference Championship games. So, pay serious attention to the poll tonight.

I had heard similar things about the committee not wanting to "punish" teams for losing conference title games while others don't play that weekend.

But nothing official.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I had heard similar things about the committee not wanting to "punish" teams for losing conference title games while others don't play that weekend.

But nothing official.

Yes, that is true. I think, though, that mostly applies to conference championship matchups between CFP teams. In the ACCCG, you have a CFP team vs a non-CFP team. The one thing I could see knocking SMU out is if they were to be thoroughly outclassed by Clemson. Given their past, I think this is something that could happen if Clemson brings their A game. I don't think it's what will happen. I would wager on Clemson winning a decently close game, which gets both them and SMU and knocks us/Bama/Miami/Ole Miss out.

 

[Lurker123]

Yes, that is true. I think, though, that mostly applies to conference championship matchups between CFP teams. In the ACCCG, you have a CFP team vs a non-CFP team. The one thing I could see knocking SMU out is if they were to be thoroughly outclassed by Clemson. Given their past, I think this is something that could happen if Clemson brings their A game. I don't think it's what will happen. I would wager on Clemson winning a decently close game, which gets both them and SMU and knocks us/Bama/Miami/Ole Miss out.

Yeah, that mirrors my thoughts. They dont want to have a team qualify for the playoffs, then loses their title game, and give the spot to a team that didn't have to play.

I think this came from a situation with our conference a few years back?

Either way, Clemson winning would be bad all around for us. I hesitate to even guess if there's a point margin that knocks SMU out completely.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Yeah, that mirrors my thoughts. They dont want to have a team qualify for the playoffs, then loses their title game, and give the spot to a team that didn't have to play.

I think this came from a situation with our conference a few years back?

Either way, Clemson winning would be bad all around for us. I hesitate to even guess if there's a point margin that knocks SMU out completely.

I would think something on the order of a 30 point loss is what it would take. Basically Clemson would have to make SMU look like they don’t belong on the same field.

 

[Lurker123]

I would think something on the order of a 30 point loss is what it would take. Basically Clemson would have to make SMU look like they don’t belong on the same field.

Ha. We've seen clemson play. I don't think they have it in them.

I've seen very little SMU, but they seem like a feast or famine team. Get on track and they might crush clemson.