Monroe County School District adding soccer to their sports programs. It is time for State to add men's soccer!
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Add beach volleyball to satisfy Title IX (oh, and a few million BDC dollars to run both) and I’m in.
How do these other schools afford to have these other sports and we don’t?
Is it that complicated to waive tuition for the athletes wanting to represent our institution on the field? I understand that there are rules that won’t allow the waiver but how do other schools do it?
Surely soccer and beach volleyball couldn’t be that expensive of sports to have. We already have a soccer field.
Is it that complicated to waive tuition for the athletes wanting to represent our institution on the field? I understand that there are rules that won’t allow the waiver but how do other schools do it?
Surely soccer and beach volleyball couldn’t be that expensive of sports to have. We already have a soccer field.
We should add lawn darts and pickleball too. We could dominate all of the sports on The Ocho with all of our resources... I mean we are MState, the school with all the extra resources.
How about this, let's it make like Trump did with the regulations... For every new sport added, two existing ones of equal resources must be cut.
How about this, let's it make like Trump did with the regulations... For every new sport added, two existing ones of equal resources must be cut.
It's not complicated, it's illegal. It's a state institution funded by tax payers. You can't give away their assets (i.e., tuition). None of our athletes get tuition waived. Every time we give an athletic scholarship, the tuition owed the university is paid for by the Bulldog Club.
Do you not understand that our revenue is about half that of most of the other schools in our conference. It costs about $2,000,000 to field a soccer team (more if you want to be competitive). I'm all for adding men's soccer. I love soccer. But what sport are you going to cut to do it?
I get they have more money but I wasn’t sure about how expensive each sport is. I also wasn’t sure where the funding actually came from.
I’m really shocked that it’s that expensive for soccer but I’m assuming the main costs are for coaches and admin.
This, to me, increases the conundrum of giving to the BI or BC.
Thanks.
Ok. I'm ignorant on the matter and that’s why I’m asking. It sucks that we don’t have moneybag farmers for alumni!
For those smarter than me on this issue, I only see two other SEC schools with men's soccer teams, Kentucky and South Carolina. They play in the Sun Belt Conference. If we were to add any other sport, wouldn't we want it to be part of the SEC and would there be a revenue share from the TV contract for that sport. For example, do we get any shared revenue from the SEC TV contract for women's soccer or is what the conference pays us each year just one big lump sum that covers all sports?
Also, I learned last night while watching our softball team that Vanderbilt is the only team in the SEC without a women's softball team. They do have bowling and swimming however.
Also, I learned last night while watching our softball team that Vanderbilt is the only team in the SEC without a women's softball team. They do have bowling and swimming however.
Title IX does much more harm than good therefore MUST be reviewed and sent back to court. My opinion has NOTHING against women sports it's just that things are not fair based on Men's football schollies. Don't we have a women's soccer team? How is it fair that women have one but men can't? Title IX MINUS Football Schollies would be fair to both sexes and would in no way limit women opportunities or discriminate against women. Right now it is pure discrimination against Men's Sports outside of football.
TV money for the minor sports is next to nothing. But yeah, we're not adding a sport the SEC doesn't sponsor. I mean, we're not adding one anyway, but if we did, it would be an SEC sport.
According to the report linked below, Kentucky spent the following on men’s soccer in 2019:
$250,000 on head coach’s salary
$216,000 on assistant coaches’ salaries
$531,000 on player tuition
$60,000 on recruiting
$231,000 on team travel
$117,000 on equipment
$18,000 on in game expenses
$65,000 on camp expenses
$17,000 on medical expenses/insurance
$48,000 on “other operating expenses”
So, about $1.6 million for just one of the two sports mentioned, and that’s for a program that’s been running for years. You’d need additional funding for start up costs like funds to make improvements to the soccer facilities to accommodate two separate teams playing during the same time of year.
We do, they just don't give a schlit about soccer.
Title IX actually has very little to do with NCAA scholarship limits. In fact, some schools have faced difficulty satisfying Title IX while being hampered by scholarship limits. Title IX is often used by athletic directors as a scapegoat so they don’t have to pay for more non-revenue men’s sports.
If you look at the “active” roster vs scholarship ratio for the only two true revenue sports, football and men’s basketball, against all other sports, you’ll see a huge gap. The NCAA members set those limits, not Title IX.
There is literally nothing stopping athletic departments from adding more men’s sports outside of money.
So Titile IX does not demand a school give an equal number of schollies to men and women?
My school, which wasn't particularly progressive and located in rural MS, added soccer in 1997. Is this some big accomplishment?
I was able to find LSU’s beach volleyball numbers. They spent about $1 million on beach volleyball from 2020-2021:
So what does this mean and what did Polk Biatch about so many years?:
Under Title IX, an educational institution must provide male and female athletes with equal access to financial aid. This means that funds allocated to athletic scholarships must be proportionate to the participation of male and female athletes.Jul 14, 2022
You wouldn't have to add that much facilites wise. Maybe a men's locker room and possibly a practice field. Don't we already have fields for intermurals? Both teams playing competitive games on the same field is no problem.
Let's solve the baseball scholly problem first, and foremost. Then, and only then, should we even consider adding sports.
There are SEC sports that State doesn't have. We shouldn't consider adding sports that we have to compete in the Sun Belt or Conference USA in until we have all of the SEC sports.
It's ludicrous we don't have women's equestrian, for example. We have one of the top equestrian facilities in the country. There was serious talk about MSU hosting a high level college equestrian meet even though we don't have a team.
It's ludicrous we don't have women's equestrian, for example. We have one of the top equestrian facilities in the country. There was serious talk about MSU hosting a high level college equestrian meet even though we don't have a team.
Athletic Budget
UCF and USF have smaller budgets but have several more sports programs than State. Both have men's soccer and other sports.
Why are we poormouthing ourselves when "it just means more!"
UCF and USF have smaller budgets but have several more sports programs than State. Both have men's soccer and other sports.
Why are we poormouthing ourselves when "it just means more!"
When I was in school 10+ years ago, the IM fields could barely keep up with demand between IM games and club sports trying to use them for practice. Games basically ran every night 5-11pm almost year round, and the fields themselves were pretty beat up most of the time.
The last MSU master plan from 2016 showed an additional 5 multipurpose fields being added east of the IM softball complex, and burying the ditch on the old IM fields on Stone Blvd to convert those into 2 useable fields for clubs/IM.
None of that has been built yet, so a new men’s soccer team would either practice on the game field like the women’s team or the whole program would need a new practice field.
All of the field club sports (rugby, soccer, ultimate frisbee, lacrosse) used to have to practice on the softball outfields because that was the only way to get a field with lights for most of the semester. Some teams ended up paying for fields with lights at the Starkville RecPlex even though it wasn’t cheap.
Communism**
Some small schools in Monroe county have good sports programs. They should have fun with this.
Yes, it’s just money that stops them, but Title IX pretty significantly ups the money necessary to add a men’s sport because whatever options schools technically have to satisfy Totle IX, there is a reason they more or less all end up using the proportionality test.
title IX even prohibits donors from funding a men’s sport they care about unless they or the school will provide resources for a “matching” women’s sport.
I bet a lot of girls get sports schollies on sports they never played just to fill the numbers. "Just come and we'll teach you and you'll get a schollie" in order to stay in Title IX Compliance. No time spent prior to college earning the scholly.
I hope you all realize that if MSU ever added men's soccer that having roster slots filled with players who played HS soccer in Mississippi would be the exception - if you wanted them to be competitive. Take a look at the women's side. The roster would be filled with foreigners - or with kids from the Mid-Atlantic states, Texas and maybe Florida. It is just the nature of higher-level soccer in the US. The really good MS kids tend to leave to develop past a given age.
I just hope it will lead to us developing someone that can kick field goals.
Long term it will lead to improved soccer players in high school in Mississippi. Isn't that what our universities are supposed to do? Lead the state or become insignificant.
Be careful though. Aunt Becky went to jail for that.
What - in like 40 years? I honestly am not sure that it will. Those players will never really go on to play college at a D1 level. The population just isn't there. It is hard to see unless you live in an area that is much more populated and has an ultra high-level if investment in youth soccer. MS has some great coaches - but once a player his 10 or so years old, they can't keep up with the development needed (for the most part). Not enough players playing and training at a high-level.
Maybe a medium level though?
The only in-state colleges I’m aware of that play soccer with mostly in-state student athletes are the jucos.
Jones did well in men’s soccer this past season. They were a 2-seed in the national JUCO D2 tournament.
Holmes and Jones both advanced to the national tournament in women’s D2 soccer. The Bulldogs beat the Bobcats to go to the finals— which they lost.
The gap between Juco soccer and D1 soccer is way way wider than you can imagine. There aren’t really any D1 players playing juco soccer like other sports.
Oh, I know it’s wide.
That’s why I said medium level?
And that’s just that way in comparison to D1.
And we know both are lower levels compared to the major European leagues.
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