Sounds like it’s a head issue with Juice

[18IsTheMan]

Listened to Beamer’s comments on Wells’ status today. He never says, and hasn’t for a while, that Juice isn’t playing bc of his injury. But he sure made it sound today like it’s a head issue. He said Juice’s status could change tomorrow or next week. I can’t think of a physical issue that could clear up by tomorrow.

 

[18IsTheMan]

To clarify, I don’t mean mental health issue.

 

[accock]

To clarify, I don’t mean mental health issue.

Damage done lol

 

[18IsTheMan]

Damage done lol

Haha, well, edited the OP

 

[Deleted11512]

This is a weird way to say he’s out. The word smithing Beamer has done regarding Juice’s injury is peculiar to say the least.

“It’s kind of where he is mentally and where he is physically and where we are with the things.”

 

[18IsTheMan]

This is a weird way to say he’s out. The word smithing Beamer has done regarding Juice’s injury is peculiar to say the least.

“It’s kind of where he is mentally and where he is physically and where we are with the things.”

Maybe he just don’t mentally trust the foot. Whatever it is, it doesn’t sound physical.

 

[Deleted11512]

Maybe he just don’t mentally trust the foot. Whatever it is, it doesn’t sound physical.

Either that or he could be just struggling with the decision. Go back out and suffer another setback and miss the combine, skip the rest of the season and just try to have workouts the way Marcus did, or potentially come back to be a 1st round pick. It’s a helluva decision that could cost him millions if he chooses wrong. Honestly, the safer of the three is to return. But I’m not in his shoes. We’ll see what happens.

 

[Cackmandu]

Listened to Beamer’s comments on Wells’ status today. He never says, and hasn’t for a while, that Juice isn’t playing bc of his injury. But he sure made it sound today like it’s a head issue. He said Juice’s status could change tomorrow or next week. I can’t think of a physical issue that could clear up by tomorrow.

Yeah, that's what I heard and Shane just doesn't know anything else to say!

 

[Jonesz2]

Either that or he could be just struggling with the decision. Go back out and suffer another setback and miss the combine, skip the rest of the season and just try to have workouts the way Marcus did, or potentially come back to be a 1st round pick. It’s a helluva decision that could cost him millions if he chooses wrong. Honestly, the safer of the three is to return. But I’m not in his shoes. We’ll see what happens.

I would have insurance to cover me and I would let ‘em drop and play if I was able. But that’s just me. I’m a man and I would be there to help my team that helped me get to where I am

 

[18IsTheMan]

Either that or he could be just struggling with the decision. Go back out and suffer another setback and miss the combine, skip the rest of the season and just try to have workouts the way Marcus did, or potentially come back to be a 1st round pick. It’s a helluva decision that could cost him millions if he chooses wrong. Honestly, the safer of the three is to return. But I’m not in his shoes. We’ll see what happens.

Man, I sure it's not that he's medically ready but doesn't want to risk injury and hurt his draft stock. I would hope Beamer wouldn't even keep him on the team if that were the case.

 

[Deleted11512]

Man, I sure it's not that he's medically ready but doesn't want to risk injury and hurt his draft stock. I would hope Beamer wouldn't even keep him on the team if that were the case.

Beamer has said from the beginning he's going to do what best for Juice. And I'm good with that. He's injured. He's already tried to come back once, and it went bad on him. I've got no issue with him wanting to make sure that's not going to happen again. The LAST thing Beamer needs is the perception that he's trying to force injured players to play before they're ready. He's got enough headwinds.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Beamer has said from the beginning he's going to do what best for Juice. And I'm good with that. He's injured. He's already tried to come back once, and it went bad on him. I've got no issue with him wanting to make sure that's not going to happen again. The LAST thing Beamer needs is the perception that he's trying to force injured players to play before they're ready. He's got enough headwinds.

Not speaking from Beamer's perspective. Just Juice's. Not sure how you could sit on the sidelines and watch your teammates struggle, knowing you could help the team in a major way. Rattler basically puts his life on the line every time he goes out there, but he keeps going out there. No, he hasn't been injured, but goodness, he's been beaten like a rag doll this season.

I remember watching Max Duggan in the Big 12 championship game last year. He could barely walk at the end, but he was still out there gutting it out.

Obviously, I have no idea what's going on in Juice's head. If it's just that he's not mentally confident his foot will hold up, that's one thing. If it's that he's protecting himself for the combine, that's lame and he shouldn't be on the team.

 

[SSIGamecock]

Maybe he just don’t mentally trust the foot. Whatever it is, it doesn’t sound physical.

Not hard to discount that either. Considering he trusted it, came back, didn't make much of an impact, and then on the first play where it looked like he truly opened up, hurt it again. I'd think that's a tough hump to get over when trying to come back again.

 

[Deleted11512]

Not speaking from Beamer's perspective. Just Juice's. Not sure how you could sit on the sidelines and watch your teammates struggle, knowing you could help the team in a major way. Rattler basically puts his life on the line every time he goes out there, but he keeps going out there. No, he hasn't been injured, but goodness, he's been beaten like a rag doll this season.

I remember watching Max Duggan in the Big 12 championship game last year. He could barely walk at the end, but he was still out there gutting it out.

Obviously, I have no idea what's going on in Juice's head. If it's just that he's not mentally confident his foot will hold up, that's one thing. If it's that he's protecting himself for the combine, that's lame and he shouldn't be on the team.

If he's 100% but afraid of getting hurt, I agree. That would be a bad look. Doesn't sound like that's the case. My point was, if he's 75-80%, I can see him not wanting to risk it. He's got a future to look out for as well. Who knows if we'll ever find out.

 

[Gradstudent]

Looking at the comments in black and white, if these are the ones 18 is referring to, he says it depends on where he is mentally and physically.

To, me just seems like Juice rushed back before and is taken his time to make sure he is truly ready after the last comeback was obviously to soon.

But its all interpretation of Beamer's comments, and since its "coach speak" people will have different views on what he is really trying to say.

So far Juice seems like a player, if he can play, he plays, but is coming off a screw in the foot injury and seems to taken his time after what happened earlier, which makes sense to me.



“I would say he’s OK,” “If it gets to the point these next three games where Juice is able to play, I’ll let you know. I don’t want to come in here every single week; ‘He’s basically out until I tell you otherwise and don’t anticipate him playing this week.’ I’m not trying to B.S you. There’s a chance that he could play. It’s just kind of where he is mentally and where he is physically and where we are with things.

“He told you guys on the teleconference Sunday he ran, (and) he ran well. He was out at practice today, and he didn’t practice today, but he was out there. So, he continues to get closer and closer, but he’s out right now. That can change tomorrow; that can change next week. I don’t really know. It’s kind of a day-to-day type of thing.”

 

[Deleted11512]

Looking at the comments in black and white, if these are the ones 18 is referring to, he says it depends on where he is mentally and physically.

To, me just seems like Juice rushed back before and is taken his time to make sure he is truly ready after the last comeback was obviously to soon.

But its all interpretation of Beamer's comments, and since its "coach speak" people will have different views on what he is really trying to say.

So far Juice seems like a player, if he can play, he plays, but is coming off a screw in the foot injury and seems to taken his time after what happened earlier, which makes sense to me.



“I would say he’s OK,” “If it gets to the point these next three games where Juice is able to play, I’ll let you know. I don’t want to come in here every single week; ‘He’s basically out until I tell you otherwise and don’t anticipate him playing this week.’ I’m not trying to B.S you. There’s a chance that he could play. It’s just kind of where he is mentally and where he is physically and where we are with things.

“He told you guys on the teleconference Sunday he ran, (and) he ran well. He was out at practice today, and he didn’t practice today, but he was out there. So, he continues to get closer and closer, but he’s out right now. That can change tomorrow; that can change next week. I don’t really know. It’s kind of a day-to-day type of thing.”

Agree. Can't imagine Juice not wanting to be out there. But strange that he's day to day but not practicing....but at practice.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Looking at the comments in black and white, if these are the ones 18 is referring to, he says it depends on where he is mentally and physically.

To, me just seems like Juice rushed back before and is taken his time to make sure he is truly ready after the last comeback was obviously to soon.

But its all interpretation of Beamer's comments, and since its "coach speak" people will have different views on what he is really trying to say.

So far Juice seems like a player, if he can play, he plays, but is coming off a screw in the foot injury and seems to taken his time after what happened earlier, which makes sense to me.



“I would say he’s OK,” “If it gets to the point these next three games where Juice is able to play, I’ll let you know. I don’t want to come in here every single week; ‘He’s basically out until I tell you otherwise and don’t anticipate him playing this week.’ I’m not trying to B.S you. There’s a chance that he could play. It’s just kind of where he is mentally and where he is physically and where we are with things.

“He told you guys on the teleconference Sunday he ran, (and) he ran well. He was out at practice today, and he didn’t practice today, but he was out there. So, he continues to get closer and closer, but he’s out right now. That can change tomorrow; that can change next week. I don’t really know. It’s kind of a day-to-day type of thing.”

The main comment that stuck out to me is when Beamer said "it could clear up tomorrow or next week." I can't think of an injury situation like this that would clear up in 24 hours.

 

[Deleted11512]

Seems to be more thought that it's not out of question that he returns.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Seems to be more thought that it's not out of question that he returns.

Everyone's just guessing at this point. If Juice didn't like his draft grade last year, I'm not sure it's going any higher this year though.

 

[Deleted11512]

Everyone's just guessing at this point. If Juice didn't like his draft grade last year, I'm not sure it's going any higher this year though.

I know JC is tied in with him through CR/Park Ave. So I tend to listen when he opines. Obviously he's not going to say anything he shouldn't.

 

[Cluster Cock]

On the Insiders Forum someone posted that Juice has a new tattoo across his stomach and that takes 3 weeks to heal.
I don't know since I don't have any tattoos.
Personally, I think Juice comes back next year but maybe not with us.

 

[Deleted11512]

On the Insiders Forum someone posted that Juice has a new tattoo across his stomach and that takes 3 weeks to heal.
I don't know since I don't have any tattoos.
Personally, I think Juice comes back next year but maybe not with us.

I'm calling BS on that one. Beamer is a player's coach, but I'd highly doubt Juice would still be around if it was b/c of a tattoo. Beamer is too much of a culture guy to let that happen.

It's possible he could chase $$. But he damn sure ain't hurting for $$ here.

 

[18IsTheMan]

On the Insiders Forum someone posted that Juice has a new tattoo across his stomach and that takes 3 weeks to heal.
I don't know since I don't have any tattoos.
Personally, I think Juice comes back next year but maybe not with us.

He's already his one free transfer, right?

 

[Deleted11512]

He's already his one free transfer, right?

True, but not sure of his academic status. If he graduates, he can go as a grad transfer.

 

[18IsTheMan]

True, but not sure of his academic status. If he graduates, he can go as a grad transfer.

Not sure why, but hearing him talk hasn't given me the impression he's here for a degree haha. Just assuming he wasn't going to graduate this year.

 

[Forkcock]

Not speaking from Beamer's perspective. Just Juice's. Not sure how you could sit on the sidelines and watch your teammates struggle, knowing you could help the team in a major way. Rattler basically puts his life on the line every time he goes out there, but he keeps going out there. No, he hasn't been injured, but goodness, he's been beaten like a rag doll this season.

I remember watching Max Duggan in the Big 12 championship game last year. He could barely walk at the end, but he was still out there gutting it out.

Obviously, I have no idea what's going on in Juice's head. If it's just that he's not mentally confident his foot will hold up, that's one thing. If it's that he's protecting himself for the combine, that's lame and he shouldn't be on the team.

Deebo had no problem with it.

 

[Kappa Koch1]

If he is scares to play now, how can he perform at the Combine. I think if we win against Vandy he plays the last 2 games....

 

[Deleted11512]

Deebo had no problem with it.

how soon we forget.

 

[Forkcock]

how soon we forget.

I haven't. He screwed over his teammates. Stood on the sideline and watched his brothers get their asses kicked.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I haven't. He screwed over his teammates. Stood on the sideline and watched his brothers get their asses kicked.

Yup. No use for him.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Did Beamer even bother addressing Juice's status yesterday? Can't find anything and didn't see the presser.

I find it hard to believe Beamer would keep him on the team if he was capable of playing but had shut it down to prepare for the draft, so I doubt that's it.

 

[Deleted11512]

Did Beamer even bother addressing Juice's status yesterday? Can't find anything and didn't see the presser.

I find it hard to believe Beamer would keep him on the team if he was capable of playing but had shut it down to prepare for the draft, so I doubt that's it.

He just said he's not "mentally" ready. Sounds to me like he's not trusting it. If that's the case, no need to put him out there.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I take back the OP title.

It wasn't a head issue, it was a heart issue. Juice simply didn't want to play.

 

[Deleted11512]

I take back the OP title.

It wasn't a head issue, it was a heart issue. Juice simply didn't want to play.

Yikes. Beamer got played. That's a bad look. You simply cannot allow that to happen.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Yikes. Beamer got played. That's a bad look. You simply cannot allow that to happen.

In hindsight, isn't it obvious? Several of us, mostly you and I, talked about it throughout the season.

Beamer was very cautious in his wording for a significant part of the season, never outright saying Antwane (I'm not using his nickname any longer) was physically incapable of playing. Numerous times he said it was basically up to Antwane when he would play.

No idea why Beamer would put up with it. Goes fully against his team culture approach.

 

[Deleted11512]

In hindsight, isn't it obvious? Several of us, mostly you and I, talked about it throughout the season.

Beamer was very cautious in his wording for a significant part of the season, never outright saying Antwane (I'm not using his nickname any longer) was physically incapable of playing. Numerous times he said it was basically up to Antwane when he would play.

No idea why Beamer would put up with it. Goes fully against his team culture approach.

I agree. I’ve been a huge supporter of Beamer, but he screwed the porch here big time. Hopefully he learns from it. Just strange bc of how he handled McLeod. Maybe Juice was just a better liar? Also sucks that Juice would post that message about coming back if he was just going to jump in the portal.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I agree. I’ve been a huge supporter of Beamer, but he screwed the porch here big time. Hopefully he learns from it. Just strange bc of how he handled McLeod. Maybe Juice was just a better liar? Also sucks that Juice would post that message about coming back if he was just going to jump in the portal.

I hope, truly hope, Beamer was duped here and not complicit. Hopefully, it wasn't that he was so desperate to hang onto Wells talent b/c he knew we would need him next year, that he tolerated him choosing not to play.

 

[Deleted11512]

I hope, truly hope, Beamer was duped here and not complicit. Hopefully, it wasn't that he was so desperate to hang onto Wells talent b/c he knew we would need him next year, that he tolerated him choosing not to play.

I can't imagine he would do that...that would go against everything he's preaching to these guys. If he would do something like that, go ahead and start the search for the next HC, b/c he's a dead man walking.

 

[The Reel Ess]

His head's already someplace else.