Southern Miss coach wants to win

DrMickeySC

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This certainly brings up the very old argument that pitchers should go straight to minors instead of college if they wanted to reach the majors. Minor league games are for giving players a learning opportunity. Yes, it’s cut-throat competition on your own roster, but the teams aren’t all-in to win. Pitchers have set pitch counts based on development, and if it’s time to come out, to heck with the score of the game. Of course, they play hard and try to win, but player development comes first.

For years, MLB organizations were hesitant on college pitchers for this reason. I think it’s teams like Vandy over the last 10 years who have put out world class pitchers while not over-pitching that have tipped the balance.

I’m sure there are exceptions to all of this, but I think the trend was certainly like I described 🤷‍♂️
 

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This certainly brings up the very old argument that pitchers should go straight to minors instead of college if they wanted to reach the majors. Minor league games are for giving players a learning opportunity. Yes, it’s cut-throat competition on your own roster, but the teams aren’t all-in to win. Pitchers have set pitch counts based on development, and if it’s time to come out, to heck with the score of the game. Of course, they play hard and try to win, but player development comes first.

For years, MLB organizations were hesitant on college pitchers for this reason. I think it’s teams like Vandy over the last 10 years who have put out world class pitchers while not over-pitching that have tipped the balance.

I’m sure there are exceptions to all of this, but I think the trend was certainly like I described 🤷‍♂️
College coaches can manage this if they have the players interest at heart. I know pitchers want to pitch but its up to the coach to manage. I heard an interview with Clemson Coach Backich tonight and he said he pulled Grice in the TN game in the 9th inning before the 3 run HR because of pitch count. He said he waved to the bullpen before he got to the mound because he knew Grice would argue to stay in when he got to the mound. That's coaching with the players interest in mind and my hats off to him.
 

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This certainly brings up the very old argument that pitchers should go straight to minors instead of college if they wanted to reach the majors. Minor league games are for giving players a learning opportunity. Yes, it’s cut-throat competition on your own roster, but the teams aren’t all-in to win. Pitchers have set pitch counts based on development, and if it’s time to come out, to heck with the score of the game. Of course, they play hard and try to win, but player development comes first.

For years, MLB organizations were hesitant on college pitchers for this reason. I think it’s teams like Vandy over the last 10 years who have put out world class pitchers while not over-pitching that have tipped the balance.

I’m sure there are exceptions to all of this, but I think the trend was certainly like I described 🤷‍♂️
Vandy and only a handful of other programs I am aware of make development a top priority anymore. They're about as hesitant as a program can be when it comes to using the portal knowing it will likely take the place of a guy they have a long standing commit to. It's a shame to see the number of schools with those types of priorities dwindle. Winning now is everything... more now than it has ever been. As each year goes by, I tend to believe more and more players should bypass college if they are serious about their sport
 

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This certainly brings up the very old argument that pitchers should go straight to minors instead of college if they wanted to reach the majors. Minor league games are for giving players a learning opportunity. Yes, it’s cut-throat competition on your own roster, but the teams aren’t all-in to win. Pitchers have set pitch counts based on development, and if it’s time to come out, to heck with the score of the game. Of course, they play hard and try to win, but player development comes first.

For years, MLB organizations were hesitant on college pitchers for this reason. I think it’s teams like Vandy over the last 10 years who have put out world class pitchers while not over-pitching that have tipped the balance.

I’m sure there are exceptions to all of this, but I think the trend was certainly like I described 🤷‍♂️
When Davidson College made it to the Super Regional vs Texas Tech in Lubbock a few years ago, they used a pitcher "excessively" to win the Chapel Hill regional. Not a big deal, because the guy was a graduating senior with no professional baseball aspirations - he was going on to graduate school in Pharmacy.

That is the most notable exception which came to mind.
 

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When Davidson College made it to the Super Regional vs Texas Tech in Lubbock a few years ago, they used a pitcher "excessively" to win the Chapel Hill regional. Not a big deal, because the guy was a graduating senior with no professional baseball aspirations - he was going on to graduate school in Pharmacy.

That is the most notable exception which came to mind.
Yeah. It's a little more dicey in HS and College. If you know that's the last time the guy is ever going to pitch, there's really no issue of "wearing his arm out". But if he's got a future, you have to look out for it. I think it's a case by case.