Speeding tickets in the mail..
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If it is a “moving violation” the answer is “no,” they are not legal. If it is for a violation that is “non-moving,” it is currently legal (but I hope the legislature puts a quietus on it this session).
non-moving would be something like expired tag or no proof of insurance.
The City of Oxford is saying hold my beer…
Subsequent Weeks: Use of Speed Enforcement Technology
After the first week, officers will continue monitoring traffic in the same areas and during the same time periods, using speed enforcement technology equipped with cameras to identify vehicles exceeding the speed limit by more than 10 MPH. Speeding drivers will not be pulled over; instead, they will receive a citation by mail. This citation will be an official City of Oxford speeding ticket, and recipients will have the same due process rights as those who are stopped by an officer. However, this program offers additional options for resolving citations that are not typically available with traditional traffic citations.
Apparently Oxford has decided to, in essence, thumb its nose at the legislature. These third party technology vendors make a $h!+pile of money running these scams and there is a revenue sharing arrangement between the vendors and the municipalities that want these technologies. They are apparently willing to fight legal challenges (surmising that the vast majority of people will not fight but will just pay the fine and move on). The legislature will have to tweak the law to hem in rogue municipalities or it will become wide-spread. In my opinion, it's not about public safety. It's about revenue.
If I remember correctly, the original legislation came after Jackson installed red light cameras. I was never in favor of giving out tickets by camera, but I am starting to change my tune. If you drive around the metro, you are taking a huge risk by not waiting several seconds after you get a green light. People are flying through red lights well after they change.
About 10 ish years ago, Jxn had red light cameras and folks would get tickets in the mail for running red lights. The legislature put a stop to that.
In the past couple of years, Purl started "mail" tickets for no insurance (IIRC), I believe that program is still going on. Many complain about it on FB, they get ticket, but they do have auto insurance in force, then have to through the court system, in person, to resolve.
In the past couple of years, Purl started "mail" tickets for no insurance (IIRC), I believe that program is still going on. Many complain about it on FB, they get ticket, but they do have auto insurance in force, then have to through the court system, in person, to resolve.
yes sir they do.
About 10 years ago, the MHP set up a roadblock on HWY 25 after a late football game. So at midnight on a hilly, curvy four lane that people regally travel 75+ on, the MHP had both lanes blocked off, with no warning. We crested a hill and immediately had to hit the brakes when we saw the sea of brake lights in front of us. Seemed foolish, but MHP isn't know for making the best decisions.
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Yeah.. I get it.. but for example we have people in my company whose bonuses and advancement depend on maintaining a clean MVR. What happens when his knucklehead 17 yr old son gets a camera ticket in a pickup that is registered to dear ole dad?
Are these citations mailed certified?
And it’s much as I despise a police state using cameras for traffic enforcement… if it remains within the city of Oxford.. it’s a complete wash.
Just wait. I have one client who has a large fleet of vehicles. Their insurer basically requires they install monitoring systems in each vehicle. The get immediate notices of things like speeding vehicles, hard braking situations, etc. It would suck to be a commercial driver these days.
You are supposed to have the right to face your accuser. How can you do that if the accuser is a traffic scamera?
They are legal in Tennessee and sadly whoever the vehicle is registered to gets the ticket. My ex wife ran a light up there in the truck I gave her in the divorce. She never switched the title so I received the ticket. I explained. They didn't care. I told them good luck getting paid. Might have a warrant in Tennessee...lol
The cameras are legal… but not so much the enforcement. They would literally have to come to TN to sue you for the balance of that ticket. And they are not going to do that. They would be out of business just on legal fees.
there are attorneys up there that tell you to trash every red light ticket you get and laugh while you do it.
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Just wait. I have one client who has a large fleet of vehicles. Their insurer basically requires they install monitoring systems in each vehicle. The get immediate notices of things like speeding vehicles, hard braking situations, etc. It would suck to be a commercial driver these days.
I was assuming if I lived in Tennessee they could suspend my license but I didn't figure being in Mississippi they had any recourse. Idk of course but it's been 8 or 9 years and never heard another word from them. Seems like some commie crap to me
Tennessee General Assembly made them unenforceable a while back. A friend who's an attorney said to throw it in the trash.
Nope. Can’t issue warrants.. can’t suspend licenses.. can’t garnish wages.. can’t do anything. They are purely civil and the recourse.. I believe is still correct.. would be in civil litigation. And good luck to them getting attorneys to file and litigate these in civil court at a cost it makes it beneficial for the camera companies.
Eventually, the speed/driving of all vehicles will be monitored. I'll be dead by then, but it's coming.
Exactly. Talk to someone who drives in England regularly if you want to see what the ultimate result can be if they are allowed. Average speed cameras are the worst.
i was just about to post this about Oxford....they have sent this email to parents twice in the last week, and posted on their social media. The two areas they are concerned about is the roads going to the high school (enforcement much needed) and the road in front of the middle school. I will be in both of those lanes in the morning. It is good to know that it is illegal though.
My cousin is an OPD officer and I got a ticket taking my child to HS last year and when i called him to get it taken care of, he had told me that the chief was sick and tired of getting phone calls about HS kids flying through there....this doesnt surprise me, but again, great to know it is illegal.
3:50 pm on Sisk Avenue is like the pace car getting off at Daytona.
A roundabout at Sisk and Commonwealth would’ve solved everything but I think that ship has sailed after Chick fil a built on the corner.
But safer for the rest of us.
You know what does suck? When a truck drives 80 in a 55 and kills your mother-in-law who is stopped in traffic waiting to turn. He had driven to Chicago and back without stopping from Houston MS. Deregulation sucks and kills but who cares if that truck driver and company where he works can make more money.
As an elected official in MS, I can tell you 100% it's about revenue. Costs for everything cities and counties purchase has risen exponentially. From paving roads to diesel and heavy equipment. They're looking for revenue in every shady corner they can. And the citation by mail is easy pickings. Yes, they don't care that the legislature outlawed the practice. They'll take their chances with that because there's no teeth in the statute.
Was this a tractor trailer? If it is they would be in big trouble.
Don’t drive illegally, no problem.
wrong… first on scene was a local hwy patrol. He took truck driver away which was never tested or charged with anything. Lawsuits happened but lawyers got most of it. Driver still driving today.
I know truckers hate regulations and over sight but without them too many do stupid stuff that kills.
Thats doesn’t really add up. Was this someone driving a pickup truck or a tractor trailer? Doesn’t matter if the was under the influence of anything or not, if he was a truck driver his E-log would show he drove too many hours. That would be some serious negligence on the part of the highway patrol.
Sounds like Oxford is rolling with the Intellisafe radar cameras. Brought to you by the same people that ran the insurance verification camera money grab - Ocean Springs city attorney Robert Wilkinson, Frontier Strategies folks, et al…
Toby Barker let them run a pilot program in Hattiesburg. The premise (according to Intellisafe) is that the law bans “automated cameras”, but these are “manned cameras” that an officer holds and operates. The benefit to police is that it takes pics of the plate so that automated tickets can be mailed, instead of a time-consuming traffic stop. They claim that the cameras identify the driver, but how can they?
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Toby Barker let them run a pilot program in Hattiesburg. The premise (according to Intellisafe) is that the law bans “automated cameras”, but these are “manned cameras” that an officer holds and operates. The benefit to police is that it takes pics of the plate so that automated tickets can be mailed, instead of a time-consuming traffic stop. They claim that the cameras identify the driver, but how can they?
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Yes, they do. I came through one about 6 months ago. Ticked me off, they called it a safety inspection. Asked for my DL, I asked why was I doing something unsafe? The officer didn't respond and told me to be safe.
they can and will suspend your license. my wife got one in Tn and we didn't pay actually we did pay but the person who took care of that was off for an extended amount of time and out check was sitting in there inbox, Oakland Tn, and they contacted Ms and her license was suspended.
Lawyer Bill who used to come on Drake and Zeke show in Memphis said the same, throw in the trash.
Yup.....beware on Hwy 9 between Eupora and Bruce after an Ole Miss/Miss. St game. I've run into sobriety check points twice over the last 15 years. Was local and/or county cops.
I am waiting for Olive Branch to do something with their Border Cameras like that. There is this device on each street that enters OB and a sign that says "traffic laws strictly enforced". The information I have found is that they record every vehicle that drives into OB in case a crime is committed. I just don't buy that is what they are ultimately for.
"tag readers" and real time traffic cams are primarily for signaling to adjacent constituents that they should only enter with great caution and good will. In your example, Memphians.
Shmuley is correct they are Flock high speed license plate readers. Several years ago our neighborhood had an issue of car break ins and we had a meeting with Desoto county Sheriff's office. They told us OB was going to implement license plate cameras in the near future.
It seems to me it should be pretty simple to identify the driver. Mail the ticket to the owner of the car, then have a form both the owner and the driver can sign to get the ticket moved to the driver's name if someone else was driving.Sounds like Oxford is rolling with the Intellisafe radar cameras. Brought to you by the same people that ran the insurance verification camera money grab - Ocean Springs city attorney Robert Wilkinson, Frontier Strategies folks, et al…
Toby Barker let them run a pilot program in Hattiesburg. The premise (according to Intellisafe) is that the law bans “automated cameras”, but these are “manned cameras” that an officer holds and operates. The benefit to police is that it takes pics of the plate so that automated tickets can be mailed, instead of a time-consuming traffic stop. They claim that the cameras identify the driver, but how can they?
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Unless this was a long time ago, Mississippi should not have suspended your license for a camera ticket from out of state. If TN did not properly indicate how the ticket was given, probably more efficient to just pay the ticket than get it reinstated from Mississippi side, but you should have been able to get that addressed without having to pay the ticket. Again, assuming this wasn't right when the camera tickets became a thing before everybody had figured them out.
I've dealt with this and in my limited experience they get used to the cameras pretty quickly. Once they get comfortable that they aren't being watched all the time and the video only gets looked at when there is an issue and that they aren't going to be held to some impossible standard where they get criticized for something like a single hard break, it's not such an imposition. As soon as they or somebody they know gets saved from a scam by a camera, I don't know that they love them, but they at least see them as something that comes with benefits to them personally and not just an inconvenience.
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