I'll take it you won't be taking Aliyah with your relatives Horshak?
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You probably should trust Israel since they are the most civilized country in the region.
As an American would you rather visit Israel or Iran/syria/lebanon/iraq? Even Muslims are allowed to visit Israel with peace.
Why shouldn’t the USA treat Israel like a nation?
Former conservative!!!
If Israel laid down their guns right now, they’d be wiped off the earth as a country. Minimum 25% of them would be dead.
If Palestine laid down their weapons and all the proxies backed away, Israel might take their land but there would be very little blood shed.
No use explaining to this moron. He’s a double digit simp.
Don’t try to talk sense to that moron. He was obviously dumped in hs by a really cute girl who was in the Young Republicans club.
He’s drank so much of the Kool-Aid that he’s now become a Jew-hater as well. That’s par for the course though.
I think it is for sure a common evangelical viewpoint based on a single verse taken out of context. I think that the evangelical vote yields some influence. I have no idea how much that influence impacts policy but probably some. To your point Israel is now a nuclear power(that cannot be ignored) and at least fits the enemy of my enemy criteria.
That being said, the US has long turned a blind eye to atrocities committed by them and that certainly puts us in the crosshairs for 9/11 type events.
Like many geopolitical issues, this one is complex with no easy answers.
Perhaps but Christians in the “occupied territories “ aren’t allowed into Israel to visit.
Perhaps? BS
And your statement isn’t true. There are limitations but they visit a lot.
And there is good reason for the limitations.
They NEED buffer zones. A lot of Americans have no concept of just how small the country of Israel is.
We treat them like we do because they are literally the only democracy in the area. Also, plenty of religious Jews serve in their military and are conscripted. Not all religious Jews are ultra orthodox.
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Their leader was part of Al-Quada. He was in the US prison in Baghdad. I wouldn't put much stock in their platform.
Apparently they have no conecpt of how much everyone around them hates them and will send in suicide bombers disguised as innocent adolescents to kill them.
Admittedly, if you handed me carte blanche authority to craft US policy on the Middle East, I don't even know what the first priority would be. I could push out a lot of message board bluster filled with certainty about my position, but I won't. We have enough simplistic headline based opinions already.
No doubt that vote holds a lot of influence. And no doubt about the blind eye. However, the US turning a blind eye to atrocities of allies is a pretty common thing. As FDR supposedly said about Samoza in Central America, He may be an SOB, but he's OUR SOB. Diem in Vietnam all the way up to Sadam at one point, the US hasn't exactly "stood on principle" when it comes to who we will support to promote our interests.
Absolutely no easy answers.
It's actually pretty easy to not subject them to an absurdly different standard than other countries just because they're jewish. It's apparently morally hard for some people to keep antisemitism from clouding their judgment. But it's not complex.
Israel is certainly not perfect, but for a government/state, they are very, very good on the whole.
You would think its easy to hold them to the same standard, yet Israel constantly gets a pass and everyone just accepts settlements that are outside agreed upon boundaries, bombing campaigns that are unconscionably beyond justifiable levels of response, and much more.
Holding them to the same standard as other countries isnt antisemitic because the expected standards arent based on what religion they practice.
But you aren't holding them to the same standard as other countries. I don't think you are deeply or I assume even mildly antisemitic, but your worldview has been shaped by people that are. You haven't looked at any bombing campaigns and determined that they didn't have valid military objectives that were justified. You took it as a given that Israelis are unique in not having the right to fully defend themselves, because that's the value that so many people that are interested in the conflict take.
Hell, for decades countries wouldn't even acknowledge that Israel's capital is Jerusalem. What other country have people been like, "nahhh, you don't get to decide your capital. It would offend people that want to kill you for us to do something crazy and recognize a sovereign country gets to choose its own capital." Israel is not unique in having ethnic/religious disputes or really even in having developed countries play an outsized role in deciding the ultimate balance of power. There are certainly some unique aspects to Israel, but not really that unique. The main thing that distinguishes them is that it's a Jewish state, and if there is one constant from human history, it's that people have an inexplicable hatred of Jewish people. I assume when the oldest profession got started, there was some antisemitic *** hole claiming the industry was controlled by Jewish people.
I am not? How do you know I am not?
It has? How do you know it has?
I havent? How do you know I havent?
I did? How do you know I did?
I know the way I responded can seem dismissive or flippant or whatever, but it isnt intended to be. I posted this way because I am genuinely confused as to how you know I am not holding Israel to the same standard, how you know who shaped my world view, how you know I havent read up on this, and how you know I have taken anything as a given.
Its wild that you confidently claim these things even though you have no idea.
And if you knew my childhood, you would be pretty 17ing embarrassed for posting these claims.
I have no idea except for what you typed. And it doesn't really matter what your childhood was, that doesn't really change the facts in Israel.
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