I'm going to go on faith that MN's titles were due to PA talent. I like that narrative.
Teams which have won a Natty who aren't going bowling this year- or how the mighty have fallen
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I'm going to go on faith that MN's titles were due to PA talent. I like that narrative.
I’m not arguing against that, but your post insinuated that if you don’t make the final four, the rest of the bowls are meaningless. You could take it further and argue that if you don’t make the final 2, it’s meaningless, no?
Yeah, that time frame and bowl set up was a joke. Not having 1 play 2 was BS. 1994 was proof of that. There were plenty of other times where teams were crowned co champs because the top two didn’t play as a result of bowl affiliations with certain conferences. I don’t miss that disaster.
Agree. That’s the point I tried to make last week when I said every fan base will be disappointed except for one. But to diminish the bowl games, specifically the NY6, seems a bit of a reach. I think there’s still enough players that will suit up for the last time ever in those games that would argue it means everything to them. After years and years of practices, injuries, off season lifting, nutrition guidelines, film sessions, etc going all the way back to Pop Warner for most of them, I bet they would be more than appreciative of one last game. I think sometimes we take the human element out of this and forget that most of these players do not go on to NFL careers and make millions of dollars.
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And we can all be thankful that SMU went for a tie.
Reality is the bowls didn't give a shlt. They were set up to draw tourists, still are. Conferences didn't give a **** either. They liked the money and the opportunity for their presidents to junket and hold court.
You must have really been rolling on the floor when prior to 1968 (AP) and 1974 (Coaches) the polls chose their national championship after the regular season and the bowls were just for fun. Then there was 1969, when Milhous declared Texas the national champion all by his lonesome.
The bowls did give a ****…about the money. Same with the conferences. They were locked into those bowls for big payouts.
As for the time frame you referenced, before my time.
Bowls are not-for-profit. The only people that make money are a handful of administrators.And their local underwriters hope that their rooms, tables, and showrooms are full of free-spenders.
Schools? Now that's a different story. So much for educational leadership.
One year may be too early to call Rhule a bust, but he has done nothing at any of his coaching stops to call him a “great” coach.
We shall see. Not many great players in Nebraska and the bloom has been off the Nebraska rose for quite a while now.
Of course it was. The 1994 team was one of the best teams in college history.
Bowls have been a chance to play an extra game against a good opponent. They were pluses for players, coaches and fans. The Gator Bowl in ‘67 was not for any great prize but it was basis for ‘68 & ‘69.
Relax. Hope Penn State goes to a good bowl with great weather and formidable opponent and wins. And if you have the time and money, go and have fun. [We have been to 7!bowl games]
Relax. Hope Penn State goes to a good bowl with great weather and formidable opponent and wins. And if you have the time and money, go and have fun. [We have been to 7!bowl games]
This is an older article from 2017, but the point remains that there is A LOT of money changing hands in bowl season. As we all know, money talks.
College football bowls are a grotesque money grab
As bowl season approaches, it's time to examine just how much cash schools, coaches, and sponsors are raking in.
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Article is an unfocused pile of crap. So lets get to cases, taking the 2021 Rose Bowl as an example:This is an older article from 2017, but the point remains that there is A LOT of money changing hands in bowl season. As we all know, money talks.
College football bowls are a grotesque money grab
As bowl season approaches, it's time to examine just how much cash schools, coaches, and sponsors are raking in.
1. Yes, a lot of money changes hands (duh!). That year the Committee had $106mm of cash inflows and $107mm of outflows.
2. Who gets what (of the $107mm):
a. the main beneficiaries were the Big 10 and Pac 12, evenly splitting $84mm
b. salaries and benefits totaled $4.4mm. The highest paid employee took home about $ 450k, nice money, but not great. Six other employees pull down between $150k and $300k.
c. expenses to promote and run the bowl total $23mm.
So?
In 1978 there were 15 bowls, today there are over 40. Would you value a coach that took his team to 10 consecutive bowls today than one who did the same in the 1970s.
same with making the playoffs this year vs next year.
I don't like it, but for all of his warts, Fleck has the team going to class and for the most part staying out of trouble(992 APR IIRC). The bowl game will be the 2023 version of the toilet bowl anyway, so why not let them get the extra practices. Lord knows the team needs it. I wish that we could have convinced coach Ciarrocca to stay as OC.
I am indirectly related to one of the Uniontown players, so I always tip my hat to Uniontown!
Sandy Stephens, second in the Heisman voting, and Bill Munsey (Chuck's brother. Yes, I know the last names are spelled differently). Judge Dickson from Clairton
Later, Ray Parson from Uniontown.
Related to Sandy Stephens by marriage (he married a family member). Last time I talked to Judge Dickson was in 07. He was at a game (Gophers vs FAU). Nice man.
MSU and Notre Dame get much credit for expanding college football, but the Gopher teams from 59'-68'. Produced some great players including NFL Hall of Famers: Bobby Bell, and Charlie Sanders.
Yes our program has fallen a mighty long way.
PJ rows for free..........
According to USA Today, Fleck will not receive an extra payday for the victory, because his team had not automatically qualified for the bowl.
According to USA Today, Fleck will not receive an extra payday for the victory, because his team had not automatically qualified for the bowl.
A note about 1960 Minny national championship. Minny lost their Bowl Game that year. They were the last national champ to lose the bowl game.
Up to 1960 the final polls were taken at the end of the regular season. The bowl games were treated as an exhibition game. Passing and running stats were not added to the regular season stats.
Up to 1960 the final polls were taken at the end of the regular season. The bowl games were treated as an exhibition game. Passing and running stats were not added to the regular season stats.
in 1973 Alabama was crowed the UPI champ after the regular season. They lost to Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl and the AP crowed Notre Dame their champ.
Great thread overall, great place to jump in. When Pryor left PA for the bad guys in Columbus in 2008, he said "State College was too country". Thanks to NIL the two most "country" schools of any import, Texas Tech and Nebraska, are making news with the incoming talent. Blue bloods like us and O$U struggle with getting the final parts through the portal. People, this is not good and we probably have 1-2 years to either step in and regulate the jet-jobs (Al McGuire saying from the 1980's that I love) or be prepared to become IOWA, phuckin IOWA. IOWA is a 1950 landfill. What's that look like for us? 10-15 ranked recruiting classes, stepping stones for up and coming coaches, the occasional heated bowl game against Kansas State. Its why I absolutely hate the TA hire. Our best hope is that JCF realizes his only way to the other side until we get our NIL in order is to recruit his @$$ off. In the mean time, we have Abdul Carter, Sutton and those two new safeties who play like Paterno would want them to play.
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